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On February 09 2014 08:18 Glorfindel! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 08:16 TW wrote: Yes I know, Solars is doing fine recently among Soulkey, Roro etc. Zest is doing fine among Trap, Rain, Parting, Dear, hero... Inno is in a slump, Flash is in code B, Maru lost two last games in proleague so is in a slump probably too, Supernova got owned, Teaja didn't reach ro16 in Asus ROG, TY lost to Parting, MMA lost 2:0 to Paranoid (seriously?)
Look, Welmu beat 3:0 Life recently, Teaja lost to another nonkorean Zerg, MMA lost to Paranoid, now tell me when was the last time nonkorean Terran won a match against code S Zerg or Protos??? Has that ever happend? :D Talking foreign players btw: Bly 2 - 0 Dear WTF? Life vs Sjow. Other than that, I think you'd have to go back to early WoL.
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On February 09 2014 08:18 Glorfindel! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 08:16 TW wrote: Yes I know, Solars is doing fine recently among Soulkey, Roro etc. Zest is doing fine among Trap, Rain, Parting, Dear, hero... Inno is in a slump, Flash is in code B, Maru lost two last games in proleague so is in a slump probably too, Supernova got owned, Teaja didn't reach ro16 in Asus ROG, TY lost to Parting, MMA lost 2:0 to Paranoid (seriously?)
Look, Welmu beat 3:0 Life recently, Teaja lost to another nonkorean Zerg, MMA lost to Paranoid, now tell me when was the last time nonkorean Terran won a match against code S Zerg or Protos??? Has that ever happend? :D Talking foreign players btw: Bly 2 - 0 Dear WTF? There are tons of non-Korean Zergs or Protoss regularly "upsetting" stronger Korean opponents (especially when they're Terran).
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I watched the innovation vs soulkey mech games and I thought that innovation's play was very rough, with a lot of positional mistakes. And I know it's very difficult to constantly make the correct decisions, and I'm not saying mutas are fine, but I think that if you give it three more months of practice that these games might end up differently. I feel like this style is new-ish enough players might not be well versed in it yet. I couldn't watch the vs solar games though, what was bad about tem?
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On February 09 2014 08:18 Glorfindel! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 08:16 TW wrote: Yes I know, Solars is doing fine recently among Soulkey, Roro etc. Zest is doing fine among Trap, Rain, Parting, Dear, hero... Inno is in a slump, Flash is in code B, Maru lost two last games in proleague so is in a slump probably too, Supernova got owned, Teaja didn't reach ro16 in Asus ROG, TY lost to Parting, MMA lost 2:0 to Paranoid (seriously?)
Look, Welmu beat 3:0 Life recently, Teaja lost to another nonkorean Zerg, MMA lost to Paranoid, now tell me when was the last time nonkorean Terran won a match against code S Zerg or Protos??? Has that ever happend? :D Talking foreign players btw: Bly 2 - 0 Dear WTF?
Bly 2-0 Dear? Was that on stream?
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Bly 2 - 0 Dear
It just confirms What everybody knows. Good nonkorean Zerg or Protos can win against top Korean players, but top nonkorean Terrans cannot.
I know they cannot buff T too much cause 3 top Koreans will dominate the scene, but why those few other Terrans have to be in a such disadvantage?
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On February 09 2014 08:33 TW wrote:It just confirms What everybody knows. Good nonkorean Zerg or Protos can win against top Korean players, but top nonkorean Terrans cannot. I know they cannot buff T too much cause 3 top Koreans will dominate the scene, but why those few other Terrans have to be in a such disadvantage? This phenomenon is not only caused by balance, but above all by difficulty to play.
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On February 09 2014 08:33 TW wrote:It just confirms What everybody knows. Good nonkorean Zerg or Protos can win against top Korean players, but top nonkorean Terrans cannot. I know they cannot buff T too much cause 3 top Koreans will dominate the scene, but why those few other Terrans have to be in a such disadvantage?
If the races are so poorly designed that making the "average" Terran as good as the "average" Protoss makes the top Terrans dominate everyone else because Terran units reward mechanical skill more than units of other races, then fix the god damn units that don't reward mechanical skill.
How is this even arguable? This gets my knickers so bunched it's not even funny.
HOTS TvZ proved for a fact that it is possible to have asymmetric races that take roughly the same amount of mechanical skill to play. Settling for less is freaking lazy.
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I think the first step must be for PvX matchups to make them fun, not balanced. Absolutely horrible to play TvP right now, and even ZvP is just boring. I hope they'll start to redesign and scrap those bad units like Colossus and Oracle and add some fun units instead. :/
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Wow, just saw the tail end of Grubby playing vs a hardcore SH turtle. 1 hour 20 mins, genuinely never seen Grubby so frustrated, I wasn't even sure he had the capacity to feel such emotions
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On February 09 2014 09:05 Breach_hu wrote: I think the first step must be for PvX matchups to make them fun, not balanced. Absolutely horrible to play TvP right now, and even ZvP is just boring. I hope they'll start to redesign and scrap those bad units like Colossus and Oracle and add some fun units instead. :/ Oracle was specifically added to give protoss a fun unit though.
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Northern Ireland23767 Posts
Really? I thought it was just to flesh out detection and equalise Stargate/Robo tech trees a bit
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On February 09 2014 09:19 Wombat_NI wrote: Wow, just saw the tail end of Grubby playing vs a hardcore SH turtle. 1 hour 20 mins, genuinely never seen Grubby so frustrated, I wasn't even sure he had the capacity to feel such emotions
You know something is terribly wrong if you manage to get Grubby rage. Lets hope we never reach that stage
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Damn, I can hardly believe it, any VoDs of it? Grubby strikes me as one of the most emotionally stable people, it must take a lot to make him break down.
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On February 09 2014 09:42 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 09:19 Wombat_NI wrote: Wow, just saw the tail end of Grubby playing vs a hardcore SH turtle. 1 hour 20 mins, genuinely never seen Grubby so frustrated, I wasn't even sure he had the capacity to feel such emotions You know something is terribly wrong if you manage to get Grubby rage. Lets hope we never reach that stage Grubby didnt even rage during the BL-Infestor days, so it must be quite something if SH can have that effect on him.
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To put that in perspective, he played that game against super idiots (who were reknowned for that). He didn't lash out to random people or something like that.
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I don't see much of a difference between ht skytoss and sh turtle style. Not that I wouldn't want both to be eradicated.. just saying.
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On February 09 2014 08:16 TW wrote: Yes I know, Solars is doing fine recently among Soulkey, Roro etc. Zest is doing fine among Trap, Rain, Parting, Dear, hero... Inno is in a slump, Flash is in code B, Maru lost two last games in proleague so is in a slump probably too, Supernova got owned, Teaja didn't reach ro16 in Asus ROG, TY lost to Parting, MMA lost 2:0 to Paranoid (seriously?)
Look, Welmu beat 3:0 Life recently, Teaja lost to another nonkorean Zerg, MMA lost to Paranoid, now tell me when was the last time nonkorean Terran won a match against code S Zerg or Protos??? Maru lost two games in proleague so is probably in a slump too.
2 games against Soulkey, in his worst MU?
In a slump?
2 games?
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
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On February 09 2014 19:57 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 08:16 TW wrote: Yes I know, Solars is doing fine recently among Soulkey, Roro etc. Zest is doing fine among Trap, Rain, Parting, Dear, hero... Inno is in a slump, Flash is in code B, Maru lost two last games in proleague so is in a slump probably too, Supernova got owned, Teaja didn't reach ro16 in Asus ROG, TY lost to Parting, MMA lost 2:0 to Paranoid (seriously?)
Look, Welmu beat 3:0 Life recently, Teaja lost to another nonkorean Zerg, MMA lost to Paranoid, now tell me when was the last time nonkorean Terran won a match against code S Zerg or Protos??? Maru lost two games in proleague so is probably in a slump too. 2 games against Soulkey, in his worst MU? In a slump? 2 games? You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Fairly sure he was sarcastic about the "but he's in a slump!" argument people in denial use when a race is doing bad (and thus its players have worse results).
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You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
So right now there is no Terran on earth that can beat Soulkey or Parting. Do you think that this is a healthy state? Dont be rediculous.
For Maru u can expect to take games from best Z and P.
And the latest patch reminds me sth. After several months of Brooflord Infestor era, DK stated that there is no problem at the highest level of play, but to pretend he cared he decreased fungal range by one point.
And as expected it had same impact as the latest patch == 0 impact!
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