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[SPL] CJ Entus Falls to Last Place in Week Two

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[SPL] CJ Entus Falls to Last Place in Week Two

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January 10th, 2014 02:40 GMT
SKPlanet PRoleague

Trouble for CJ Entus in Week 2

By: Zealously and Waxangel

As the story lines of Proleague start to shape up, one thing has stuck out to viewers everywhere: CJ Entus has been a disappointment. With losses to KT, Samsung, and Jin Air, they are now in last place with a 0-3 record, leaving Prime to scratch their heads and wonder how the heck that happened. The only guys who had it worse than CJ Entus were the entire Protoss race, who went a combined 1-15 in week two.

While CJ and Protoss suffered, (T)JinAir_Maru and (T)KT_Flash had a great time. Both players truly looked ace-level as they went 3-0 on the week, winning ace matches to clinch important wins for their teams. After (P)KT_Zest and (P)JinAir_sOs failed to come through in previous matches, the two Terran aces showed them how it was done.

In other news, notorious fun haters and fantasy killers (Z)MVP.Sniper, (Z)Samsung_Shine and (Z)Samsung_RorO triumphed as they went undefeated while taking out some of the opposing teams' key players. RorO seemed to have found new strength in the swarm host-turtle style, which improbably earned him even more anti-fans than before.

Round 1 Standings
1.SKT3-09-2+7
2.Jin Air2-18-5+3
3.KT2-18-6+2
4.Samsung2-18-6+2
5.IM2-17-6+1
6.MVP1-24-6-2
7.Prime0-33-9-6
8.CJ0-32-9-7

Results and standings on Liquipedia
Videos on Youtube

January 5th


Jin AIr Green Wings (3 - 2) KT Rolster
(P)sOs < Sejong Research Station > (T)TY
(Z)Rogue < Star Station TE > (T)Flash
(T)Cure < Outboxer > (P)Zest
(T)Maru < Bel'Shir Vestige LE > (P)Stats
Ace: (T)Maru <DF Yeonsu> (P)Zest

Samsung KHAN (3 - 1) CJ Entus
(T)Reality <Star Station TE>(Z)Hydra
(Z)Shine < Frost LE > (Z)EffOrt
(P)Stork < Yeonsu LE > (P)herO
(Z)RorO < Sejong Research Station > (P)Sora

January 6th


MVP (3 - 0) Prime
(Z)Sniper < Bel'Shir Vestige LE > (P)Jila (GooJila,Kal)
(T)Dream < Outboxer > (Z)TerrOr
(T)KeeN < Frost LE > (P)Creator
(P)Super < Yeonsu LE > (P)Remember (Beyond,Chance)

SK Telecom T1 (3 - 1) Incredible Miracle
(P)PartinG < Bel'Shir Vestige LE > (P)YongHwa
(P)Rain < Outboxer > (Z)ByuL
(Z)soO < Frost LE > (P)Trap
(Z)Soulkey < Yeonsu LE > (P)Squirtle

January 7th


Jin Air Green Wings (3 - 0) CJ Entus
(P)Terminator < Star Station TE > (Z)Hydra
(T)Maru < Frost LE > (P)herO
(Z)Rogue (CliMax,Savage) < Yeonsu LE > (P)Trust
(P)sOs < Sejong Research Station > (P)Sora

KT Rolster (3 - 2) Samsung KHAN
(T)Flash < Yeonsu LE > (P)eMotion
(P)Stats < Sejong Research Station > (Z)RorO
(P)Zest < Bel'Shir Vestige LE > (Z)Solar
(T)TY < Outboxer > (T)Reality
Ace:(T)Flash<Crux Frost>(Z)Solar


CJ Entus, last place team


You can comb over team rosters as much as you like, but you never know what a team will really be like before the season starts. Last season began with Team 8 rising above expectations while the stacked EG-TL stumbled out the gates (and continued to stumble for the next eight months). This season, it's Samsung Galaxy Khan who are playing the part of the plucky underdogs, while CJ Entus are struggling to build any kind of momentum.

Last season, CJ Entus started off going 3-0 while having a much weaker roster of players with no SC2 accomplishments to speak of. This season, CJ's roster is one of the strongest on paper, yet their players seem to be the weakest when they actually get into the booth. Three games is still a small sample so it's hard to jump to conclusions, but so far none of their big three in (Z)Hydra, (P)herO, or (P)Sora have played at the high level we've seen from them in previous tournaments.

(Z)Hydra's aggressive style actually allowed him to finish the previous Proleague season with the most wins among all Zergs (30 wins), and his success seemed to be carrying over into individual leagues as he tore through online qualifiers. This season, he is finding himself in super-late game situations where he's not exactly bad, but still not playing to his strengths (if you have a lot of time, check out his game vs. Terminator). It's possible that a slow and meticulous style works for him in practise, but he's gone 0-3 with it so far, even transitioning out of potentially game-winning aggression to slow down and play defensive.

(P)herO is also having some trouble, though some might just chalk it up to bad luck. His blink/DT push was easily thwarted by a defensive (T)TY in week one, and his no-robotics gamble was punished by Maru's decision to go for an uncommon cloaked banshee strategy in week two.

(P)Sora, (P)Trust and (Z)EffOrt were the other players who were fielded last week, and judging them is similarly difficult. They played somewhat poorly, but without more games it's hard to say how indicative it is of their true skill.

Coach Park's new team has had a rocky start, and unless they get their heads straight immediately, the Round 1 playoffs will be an almost unattainable goal. However, you have to remember that after starting last season 3-0, CJ Entus lost their next four games to finish round one 3-4. Despite starting 0-3 in this new season, it's completely possible for CJ Entus to turn things around.

Party like it's 2012: Protoss goes 1-15


Amidst the complaints about everything Protoss, from oracles on crack to ultimate deathballs, the boys from Aiur went an absolutely abysmal 1-15 in Week 2. It's true that the record doesn't tell the entire story, with match-ups like Maru vs. Zest or Flash vs. eMotion unlikely to ever end in Protoss victories. But for a league 'affectionately' nicknamed PvProleague due its high number of skilled Protoss players, it was still an astonishing one week meltdown. To drive the point home, Zest even lost with a blink all-in on Yeonsu.

Even more surprising was where the problems lay. Instead of falling victim to disruptive early attacks, Protoss players were dropping games after they had assembled the dreaded deathball. (P)CJ_Sora, one of the best late-game Protoss players in the world, found himself getting completely outmaneuvered by (Z)Samsung_RorO's late-game composition on Sejong Research Station. His zealot and DT runbys, meant to slowly whittle down his opponent's defenses and inflict economic damage, were stopped in their tracks by overseers and spine crawlers aplenty in all key positions. Even after Sora assembled a powerful army with both colossi and tempests, he couldn't find a way through a thick cloud of locusts and corruptors. He was eventually forced into a corner and destroyed, forcing him to surrender the match to RorO and Samsung. RorO continued his conquest as he took out (P)Stats in much the same way he took out Sora, using a slow and steady stream of units in the late game that overwhelmed his opponent in the end.

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Pictured: Twenty minutes of PvZ in one picture

(P)SKT_Rain, another one of the world's premier Protoss players, found himself likewise overwhelmed in the late stages of the game. The Hot6ix Cup champion suffered SKT's only loss of the week, losing to (Z)IM_ByuL's seamless and suffocating late game play.

Match-ups regularly swing slightly in favor of one race or another before the troubled race adapts, and last week, Protoss was the victim. Last week, Zerg players showed that they had grasped how to recreate the super-defensive style that won them multiple championships toward the end of WoL, using large amount of spore and spine crawlers to create a rock-solid defense. Going into week three, the ball is in Protoss's court as they look to adapt.

Round 1, Week 2 Report Card

It's not dumbed down, it's just 'streamlined.'

SK Telecom T1: A

SKT only played one match in Week 2, but they looked near-untouchable in the match they did play. Rain took the only loss against an on-fire Byul while the rest of the team convincingly dispatched of IM.

Jin Air Green Wings: A-

Jin Air's surprise loss to Samsung last week didn't cause any lasting damage. Maru performed exceptionally in week two, and though sOs continued to be lacklustre, the trio of Rogue, Cure and Terminator played well enough for it not to matter. Shutting out CJ and edging out KT has put them in second place for now, more in line with what was expected of them.

KT Rolster: B

We're sure KT Rolster had a good reason to field Zest instead of Flash against Maru, but in hindsight the decision may have cost them a chance to move up to second place. Otherwise, KT's line-up performed well in Week 2, with Flash and TY looking like they could carry the team to the playoffs.

Samsung Galaxy Khan: B

The term "Samsung Zerg" might become a thing as we go further into the season, as the trio consisting of newcomer Solar, former GSL champion RorO and notorious Bisu-killer Shine all seem to have hit their top form at the same time. Solar's ace match loss against Flash may have stung, but with how they dominated CJ, Samsung can feel good about their playoff chances.

MVP: B

At least now we know who the weaker team is out of MVP and Prime. A 3-0 against Kal, TerrOr and Creator may not be the most impressive thing in the world, but MVP at least showed that they're not hopeless and that their players may yet reach their old form.

Incredible Miracle: C

It's always hard to judge a team when their only match was a loss against the league's strongest team. Byul has played like a man possessed and remains undefeated, and the rest of the team hasn't looked half bad either, despite the tough match-ups against SKT. Trap and Squirtle made a few mistakes that ended up costing them, but it's hard to criticize them too much given the level of their opponents.

Prime: D-

Prime is looking like a off-brand knockoff version of the old KT Rolster: When their most important player (Kal) loses, the rest of the team crumbles. After Kal lost to Sniper, TerrOr and Creator fell like dominoes to Dream and Keen.

CJ Entus: G for "God, why did I predict CJ Entus to win?"

In what was by far the most disappointing showing of the week, CJ's dual losses to Samsung and Jin Air left people wondering what the hell was up with the team. They continue to perform well in individual leagues so the problem may lie elsewhere, but there's no question that if CJ continues to play like they did this week - mistakes and bad calls aplenty - they will not be competing for top spots, but rather struggling not to finish last.




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Writers: Waxangel and Zealously
Images: SpoTV
Editors: Waxangel.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 02:47:30
January 10 2014 02:47 GMT
#2
The boys from Aiur went an absolutely abysmal 1-15 in Week 2. It's true that the record doesn't tell the entire story, with match-ups like Maru vs. Zest or Flash vs. eMotion unlikely to ever end in Protoss victories.

Poor Zest He's always done well vs top players! Also, the only game that Protoss won was because Terminator made a Mothership and his opponent didn't have detection and lost most of their perfect army .
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Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
January 10 2014 02:48 GMT
#3
Hey... I don't think doing that is a valid reason for making up a g grade
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
January 10 2014 02:51 GMT
#4
Protoss so OP
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Mexico25 Posts
January 10 2014 02:53 GMT
#5
You forgot to mention Terrans are on streak 12 - 1 ( and the loss came from TvT) ^_^
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 10 2014 02:54 GMT
#6
Under MVP you say they 3-0d the Prime roster of Kal, Terror, and Dream. Dream is on MVP. Thanks for the recap though!
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 10 2014 02:58 GMT
#7
I guess I can accept the moral victory for now as a Prime fan but I hope to see them at least beat someone this season. I am also really surprised with how poorly CJ has been. Maybe the real Coach Park is in KeSPA jail and this imposter is leading EGTL and CJ to the bottom of the table.
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
January 10 2014 03:02 GMT
#8
The Coach Park Curse.
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Australia54784 Posts
January 10 2014 03:03 GMT
#9
zealously is the new fionn
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 10 2014 03:04 GMT
#10
I'm going to chalk CJ's results up to variance, I really doubt they'll be that bad all season.
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Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
January 10 2014 03:05 GMT
#11
Well, technically Prime haven't escaped last place as they have already managed to incur a penalty point and so are tied with CJ with an effective -7 map score.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
January 10 2014 03:05 GMT
#12
In Coach Park I believe in, no matter the circumstance

Fucking Roro had to kill off my captain Sora! >

Although I blame Hydra for being too aggressive and not properly preparing for the late game...

As for herO, he had to go against TY, who was well-prepared for the blink all-in (due to the map), and Maru, one of the godliest TvP's.

Also, I was surprised by how badly Bbyong played. Even if CJ doesn't do well in Round 1, I still believe in the miracle!
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 10 2014 03:05 GMT
#13
Only week 2 but surprise surprise. good thing no one is calling to scapegoat a certain somebody.
mangofrancesco
Profile Joined February 2013
46 Posts
January 10 2014 03:07 GMT
#14
But...but...all the balance experts here on TL.net always say Protoss is sooo imba and OP! D:
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Profile Joined August 2011
Philippines441 Posts
January 10 2014 03:11 GMT
#15
Maru and Flash 3-0? How can it be when he was beaten by Sora the other week?
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 10 2014 03:12 GMT
#16
On January 10 2014 12:11 elmerpogs wrote:
Maru and Flash 3-0? How can it be when he was beaten by Sora the other week?

He was 3-0 this week. He lost to Sora in week 1. He's 3-1 overall
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January 10 2014 03:18 GMT
#17
While CJ and Protoss suffered, (T)JinAir_Maru and (T)KT_Flash had a great time. Both players truly looked ace-level as they went 3-0 on the week


I don't wanna start a debate, but i wasn't really impressed by flash, all 3 games felt more like the opponents were losing the game instead of flash winning them.


CJ has to step it up, but i think they can (and will) go 2:0 this week. (and sktt1 0:2) :D
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January 10 2014 03:20 GMT
#18
The curse spreads.
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January 10 2014 03:39 GMT
#19
I'm starting to disdain the coach Park's hype. He was suppose to bring EG-TL last year and that failed greatly, now can't even bring CJ Entus to victory.

If you really want to win CJ, fire Park and bring back coach Cho. Coach cho have nurtured much more talents than Park ever did.
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United States2630 Posts
January 10 2014 03:40 GMT
#20
On January 10 2014 12:05 xpaperclip wrote:
Well, technically Prime haven't escaped last place as they have already managed to incur a penalty point and so are tied with CJ with an effective -7 map score.

What are penalty points?
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Profile Joined March 2013
United States53 Posts
January 10 2014 03:44 GMT
#21
On January 10 2014 12:05 xpaperclip wrote:
Well, technically Prime haven't escaped last place as they have already managed to incur a penalty point and so are tied with CJ with an effective -7 map score.


How did that happen? Wouldn't that be that one Protoss player that paused the game because the light was in his eyes?
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 10 2014 03:45 GMT
#22
On January 10 2014 12:39 Xiphos wrote:
I'm starting to disdain the coach Park's hype. He was suppose to bring EG-TL last year and that failed greatly, now can't even bring CJ Entus to victory.

If you really want to win CJ, fire Park and bring back coach Cho. Coach cho have nurtured much more talents than Park ever did.


How dare you question our supreme overlord, commander Park the great and amazing? Off with his head!
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Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 10 2014 03:48 GMT
#23
On January 10 2014 12:39 Xiphos wrote:
I'm starting to disdain the coach Park's hype. He was suppose to bring EG-TL last year and that failed greatly, now can't even bring CJ Entus to victory.

If you really want to win CJ, fire Park and bring back coach Cho. Coach cho have nurtured much more talents than Park ever did.


EGTL was a lost cause. No one could have really turned that team around and make the playoffs given the circumstances.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 10 2014 03:53 GMT
#24
On January 10 2014 12:45 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 12:39 Xiphos wrote:
I'm starting to disdain the coach Park's hype. He was suppose to bring EG-TL last year and that failed greatly, now can't even bring CJ Entus to victory.

If you really want to win CJ, fire Park and bring back coach Cho. Coach cho have nurtured much more talents than Park ever did.


How dare you question our supreme overlord, commander Park the great and amazing? Off with his head!


Hey man, just fact stating here. Only reason why SKT made into the finals in the past was because of Bisu's hard practice schedule and BoxeR/Iloveoov in cultivating Fantasy.
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Australia995 Posts
January 10 2014 03:53 GMT
#25
On January 10 2014 12:40 Brutaxilos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 12:05 xpaperclip wrote:
Well, technically Prime haven't escaped last place as they have already managed to incur a penalty point and so are tied with CJ with an effective -7 map score.

What are penalty points?

You get a penalty point (map score loss) for every two warnings.

On January 10 2014 12:44 crimsonlink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 12:05 xpaperclip wrote:
Well, technically Prime haven't escaped last place as they have already managed to incur a penalty point and so are tied with CJ with an effective -7 map score.


How did that happen? Wouldn't that be that one Protoss player that paused the game because the light was in his eyes?

http://www.e-sports.or.kr/board_pro2014.php?b_no=3&_module=proleague&_page=view&b_no=3&b_pid=9999650000
From my Google Translate-powered Korean, it looks like Creator and TerrOr both watched a replay which is not allowed, earning two warnings and therefore a penalty point.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 10 2014 03:56 GMT
#26
lol poor Prime. I guess no moral victory after all
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United States567 Posts
January 10 2014 04:06 GMT
#27
CJ is making a habit out of under-performing in Proleague's SC2 exclusive seasons.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
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January 10 2014 04:40 GMT
#28
Zealously's SPL prediction blog has a lot of unintentional irony now, like this:
On December 17 2013 03:35 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 23:50 Darkhoarse wrote:
On December 16 2013 21:59 Zealously wrote:
Pre-season 2 ez

Jin Air and SKT should've been flipped. Joke power rank.


Hey at least #1 didn't end up #8
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 10 2014 05:16 GMT
#29
Not enough TY love imo he has been playing siiiick
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Japan540 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 05:20:17
January 10 2014 05:20 GMT
#30
Win-Loss Record
MVP: 1-2
Incredible Miracle: 2-1

Report Card
MVP: B
Incredible Miracle : C

what?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
January 10 2014 05:21 GMT
#31
In China we call that kind of PvZ "Pudge's Fountain Hook". You get the similarities.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 10 2014 05:22 GMT
#32
On January 10 2014 14:20 Lovedoll wrote:
Win-Loss Record
MVP: 1-2
Incredible Miracle: 2-1

Report Card
MVP: B
Incredible Miracle : C

what?

Grades are for the week not for the whole round. IM went 0-1 and MVP at least 3-0d Prime
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 10 2014 05:23 GMT
#33
taking a game off SKT should be worth more than 3-0ing prime
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 10 2014 05:24 GMT
#34
IM couldn't even 3-0 Prime. They had to go to an ace match.
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Dodgin
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Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 05:26:26
January 10 2014 05:26 GMT
#35
that was last week

last, last week
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 10 2014 05:28 GMT
#36
They were smart enough to keep using Sniper in Proleague. should get an A imo
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Deimos
Profile Joined June 2009
Mexico134 Posts
January 10 2014 05:58 GMT
#37
Most of the Protoss losse was against T,, PvT is broken when T play Bio

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Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
January 10 2014 06:25 GMT
#38
On January 10 2014 14:22 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 14:20 Lovedoll wrote:
Win-Loss Record
MVP: 1-2
Incredible Miracle: 2-1

Report Card
MVP: B
Incredible Miracle : C

what?

Grades are for the week not for the whole round. IM went 0-1 and MVP at least 3-0d Prime

Ah, kk. I was just wondering because the teams were listed in the same order as the overall standings (minus MVP and IM), so I was pretty confused.
Spread your eggs until they crack!
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
January 10 2014 06:54 GMT
#39
On January 10 2014 12:39 Xiphos wrote:
I'm starting to disdain the coach Park's hype. He was suppose to bring EG-TL last year and that failed greatly, now can't even bring CJ Entus to victory.

If you really want to win CJ, fire Park and bring back coach Cho. Coach cho have nurtured much more talents than Park ever did.

Park did a great job with EGTL. They played so much better in the end with him on the team, even though it wasn't enough to get them out of 8# place.

Cho would indeed be an incredible coach. Not great at picking match ups imo, but as you say the best when it comes to nurturing talent.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
January 10 2014 06:55 GMT
#40
I like the writeup but calling Jila Prime's ace just because he won two games with 1-base all-ins in Week 1 stretches credulity a bit. He's looked unimpressive in both of his macro games (including the one in preseason), blindly retreating into circa-2011 colossus-centric play and refusing to adapt to tech switches. He's not had much success results-wise, but I think Creator's been Prime's best player so far (almost by default).
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 10 2014 07:35 GMT
#41
Coach Park took the EG curse to CJ, that's the explanation.
RoranRock
Profile Joined October 2011
France294 Posts
January 10 2014 08:07 GMT
#42
I can't understand how CJ can be last with a such line up...
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." Albert Einstein
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 10 2014 08:17 GMT
#43
CJ has every opportunity to get back on track. I still believe they will make a good showing.

Hopefully this is true, since I now have 2 CJ players on my FPL: Sora since the start, and now Effort that I got for trading away Fantasy. If anything, I am more disappointed that Fantasy is still not on the line up. Nothing bad about Bravo, but really, I was expecting and hoping to see Fantasy if SKT decided to field a Terran.
Flash | Mvp
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
January 10 2014 08:53 GMT
#44
lmao the article... that's sad
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
January 10 2014 09:07 GMT
#45
Sadly coach Park is again last.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 09:43:34
January 10 2014 09:11 GMT
#46
I think we might be witnessing the rise of the Park curse.

Otherwise, funny how fun killers (Sniper, RorO,etc.) can be consistent in killing fun. These guys are really good at it, and they keep doing it, hahaha!
LiquipediaWanderer
McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
January 10 2014 09:48 GMT
#47
Thanks for the recap. 2012 and 15 rhyme for me which was the highlight of this artce, Polish FTW :D
Ruin
Profile Joined July 2011
United States271 Posts
January 10 2014 10:07 GMT
#48
On January 10 2014 18:11 Ragnarork wrote:
I think we might be witnessing the rise of the Park curse.

Otherwise, funny how fun killers (Sniper, RorO,etc.) can be consistent in killing fun. These guys are really good at it, and they keep doing it, hahaha!


I swear we are so obsessed with these curses haha.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
January 10 2014 10:33 GMT
#49
I have a full CJ FPL team.




Yes my score is negative atm :|
eonrulz
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom225 Posts
January 10 2014 10:49 GMT
#50
TY and RorO are destroying my anti-team, whilst beating players in my main team. And I can't trade them because their values are now so high... This makes me very sad
Boop!
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3413 Posts
January 10 2014 11:48 GMT
#51
I have faith in Coach Park and CJ.

It s okay if round 1 doesnt go too well, I am sure they will play better and better (well at any case it cannot get much worse thatn what it is ^^)

It s nice to see Samsung doing well though, good luck to them! And hopefully Fantasy plays!
Horang2 fan
eTcetRa
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia822 Posts
January 10 2014 12:04 GMT
#52
On January 10 2014 11:40 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
To drive the point home, Zest even lost with a blink all-in on Yeonsu.


*overly dramatic evil laugh*

Well, atleast they're starting to figure out how to play against it, or something. Perhaps it can just be chalked up to TY being amazing. At the very least made my day!

Immensely enjoying Progleague so far. A great variety in games where I enjoyed every single one!

GG!

Retired Mapmaker™
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
January 10 2014 12:08 GMT
#53
CJ totally ruined my fantasy team, and I can only possibly trade them for PRIME at the moment, that's how low they are. So I gotta hope they come good :D :D
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 12:50:35
January 10 2014 12:49 GMT
#54
Proleague is so nice, really enjoying watching it!
Still don't like the new bo5 format though. With bo7 matches were much more meaningful.

As far as CJ Entus goes - I think many people overhyped them, also because of their new coach.
There was some bad luck, and I predict the results to get better, but I never saw them stronger than like place 4 or 5. That's where they will end around roughly.

Also very happy for KT Rolsters good results, and especially Flash's rising performance!

And last but not least, as it always has been in the last 10 years >>> GoGo SKT1 <<<
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
January 10 2014 13:59 GMT
#55
On January 10 2014 19:07 Ruin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 18:11 Ragnarork wrote:
I think we might be witnessing the rise of the Park curse.

Otherwise, funny how fun killers (Sniper, RorO,etc.) can be consistent in killing fun. These guys are really good at it, and they keep doing it, hahaha!


I swear we are so obsessed with these curses haha.


Hehe, don't worry I'm not of those who believe it

But that's a word that became quite recurrent... The Coach Park Malediction!
LiquipediaWanderer
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
January 10 2014 14:05 GMT
#56
On January 10 2014 19:49 eonrulz wrote:
TY and RorO are destroying my anti-team, whilst beating players in my main team. And I can't trade them because their values are now so high... This makes me very sad


Reminds me of when I picked Ryung for my GSTL anti-team. Then he went on an absolute tear and wipe ten points off; his value got so boosted I could only trade him for Life, and in the end I took the trade because Life hadn't been doing much. Then Life started playing and started playing well and wiped another twelve points off.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Usus
Profile Joined December 2013
United Kingdom26 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-10 15:46:03
January 10 2014 15:45 GMT
#57
The Coach Park curse both his proleague teams were last.
On a more serious note this is quite interesting something that no one would've predicted.
rudimentalfeelthelov
Profile Joined December 2013
Finland268 Posts
January 10 2014 16:49 GMT
#58
Am I the only one who fails to see why CJ Entus should've won any of their matches so far, they only played versus really strong teams and their line up to me doesn't look anywhere as strong by individual skill like the line ups of some other teams.
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
January 10 2014 17:03 GMT
#59
This aint bad for CJ, true theyre at the bottom right now but they wont stay there for too long, this is a great incentive for the team, Miracle Maker Park will go hard on this kidz im sure and we'll see CJ at TOP 3 in the scoreboard in no time. GL CJ ♥ Hwaiting!!
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
-Debaser-
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
January 10 2014 17:08 GMT
#60
please IMMvp mech TvT
TL+ Member
RyLai
Profile Joined May 2011
United States477 Posts
January 10 2014 20:25 GMT
#61
Well... Protoss losing to Zerg in the lategame isn't anything new, especially not in HotS. Everyone knows that mass Swarmhosts are a bit of a problem in the matchup.

Don't know what to say about PvT. For the most part, the Terrans are significantly better players (or much higher profile) except for Keen and Creator I guess, who are about even from what I remember (Keen has times he plays very well and Creator used to be pretty good iirc).

And Maru pulled out early Hellions which completely caught one of his Protoss opponents off guard. Taeja did the same on ladder yesterday and had the easiest TvP of the day.

So for PvT, it's sort of understandable (more so, hopefully expected) that Protoss would have such a poor record given the players that played.

On January 10 2014 14:58 Deimos wrote:
Most of the Protoss losse was against T,, PvT is broken when T play Bio

User was warned for this post


What...? This is so stupid, I'm not even gonna take the bait. Pointing out all the stupidity in your post will just give me a warning as well.
riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
January 10 2014 22:17 GMT
#62
On January 10 2014 12:02 HolyArrow wrote:
The Coach Park Curse.

haha! a new curse was born~
-
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-11 19:43:36
January 11 2014 19:42 GMT
#63
Coach Park lost his passion.

On January 10 2014 19:49 eonrulz wrote:
TY and RorO are destroying my anti-team, whilst beating players in my main team. And I can't trade them because their values are now so high... This makes me very sad
What a surprise, RorO destroying an antiteam :')
nullroar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States32 Posts
January 11 2014 22:11 GMT
#64
Looks like the only protoss victory...was against another protoss.
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
January 12 2014 00:37 GMT
#65
On January 10 2014 21:08 AxionSteel wrote:
CJ totally ruined my fantasy team, and I can only possibly trade them for PRIME at the moment, that's how low they are. So I gotta hope they come good :D :D

We should make a club or something ^^
At least they've got easier matches in perspective, hopefully they'll finally build some momentum. Cause however tempting, I also skipped the PRIME deal
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