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JustPassingBy
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captainwaffles
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On December 21 2013 05:38 TeslasPigeon wrote: I still don't understand why you would close the entire team instead of shutting down the division that is becoming the burden. Seems silly. You're right in that we could've sat around collecting sponsor money doing little more than booking the occasional flight. But we feel we're too good for that. If you're doing things in esports purely for the money, you're in the wrong market. Most of management has too much expertise and experience to have to settle for positions they don't enjoy. None of us were interested in sitting around for the cash or copping out and picking up a LoL roster or something. On December 21 2013 06:21 Boucot wrote: You did a great job Western Wolves. You can be proud of what you've done. Just a little question : what was the exact relationship between Western Wolves and Low Land Lions ? Were they related in any way or was it just a fork ? Good luck to all the players and the staff in the future ! LLL suffered from a luxury problem. We had international top players and Benelux top players, like we had global sponsors and Benelux sponsors. Those interests would clash at times. Benelux sponsors would wonder why they're paying us money to send nonbenelux players across the globe and global sponsors would wonder why they're paying to support players that aren't international top. So we made the decision to start a second team and move the international players and sponsors there. This means that LLL and WW are 100% seperate organizations with separate staff, players and sponsors. I think aside from myself there were only 1 or 2 people that had a roll in both teams. The only reason there was any overlap was because of convenience. My work for LLL was work I mostly already had to do for WW anyway. | ||
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GunPaladin
United States1205 Posts
On December 21 2013 01:42 Martijn wrote: We were actually in a position where we could continue the team without an SC2 squad, or close the team as a whole. So why didn't you? I may have missed the reasoning for shutting down an entire organization because of one game division so I apologize if I have. Did you feel that WW was too enmeshed into the SC2 scene to survive long without it? | ||
BigFan
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On December 21 2013 07:56 BigFan wrote: Can someone please mention the players that WW had? Was San one of them? I'm not familiar with their own players unfortunately. Either way, sad to see another team shutting down but it's inevitable. Best of luck to the players! They had Check(ALBM), Daisy, starnan, Ziktomini, and Sting, San is on Yoe Flash Wolves | ||
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GunPaladin
United States1205 Posts
On December 21 2013 07:56 BigFan wrote: Can someone please mention the players that WW had? Was San one of them? I'm not familiar with their own players unfortunately. Either way, sad to see another team shutting down but it's inevitable. Best of luck to the players! here, let me Liquipedia that for you: Check Daisy StarNaN Sting Ziktomini | ||
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Drmooose
United States390 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On December 21 2013 07:52 GunPaladin wrote: So why didn't you? I may have missed the reasoning for shutting an entire org because of one game division so I apologize if I have. Did you feel that WW was too enmeshed into the SC2 scene to survive long without it? Think I just addressed that while you were posting, but to be a bit more thorough; Our Fifa and Fighting game players rely on team support far less than our SC2 roster. We had extremely talented people on staff like Yuna, our Korean liaison, that helped our Korean players a lot. I myself got called up to WW as a problemsolver for SC2. My role within WW is Operations Manager, but since we dropped our CSGO team, 75% of the work was for the SC2 roster. Fifa and FGC practically ran themselves. As long as I checked in once a week and booked what needed to be, there was rarely much work needed. They benefited from the team much less. Not to mention because of their skilllevel, they will have very little problem landing on their feet. tldr; They don't need us, we don't have as much to offer them. Only reason to keep going would've been our salaries. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On December 21 2013 07:58 NovemberstOrm wrote: They had Check(ALBM), Daisy, starnan, Ziktomini, and Sting, San is on Yoe Flash Wolves ALBM? I recall the name but not the previous team he was on. Remember Ziktomini from UK finals I think. Didn't realize Sting was still playing(read something about him retiring? maybe it was just moving teams). oh, ok makes sense that I messed up his team then lol. thanks! On December 21 2013 07:58 GunPaladin wrote: here, let me Liquipedia that for you: Check Daisy StarNaN Sting Ziktomini merci ~ | ||
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GunPaladin
United States1205 Posts
On December 21 2013 08:03 Martijn wrote: Think I just addressed that while you were posting, but to be a bit more thorough; Our Fifa and Fighting game players rely on team support far less than our SC2 roster. We had extremely talented people on staff like Yuna, our Korean liaison, that helped our Korean players a lot. I myself got called up to WW as a problemsolver for SC2. My role within WW is Operations Manager, but since we dropped our CSGO team, 75% of the work was for the SC2 roster. Fifa and FGC practically ran themselves. As long as I checked in once a week and booked what needed to be, there was rarely much work needed. They benefited from the team much less. Not to mention because of their skilllevel, they will have very little problem landing on their feet. tldr; They don't need us, we don't have as much to offer them. Only reason to keep going would've been our salaries. ah i see, thanks for responding. | ||
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SinCitta
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On December 21 2013 08:06 BigFan wrote: ALBM? I recall the name but not the previous team he was on. Remember Ziktomini from UK finals I think. Didn't realize Sting was still playing(read something about him retiring? maybe it was just moving teams). oh, ok makes sense that I messed up his team then lol. thanks! merci ~ Check was on Jin Air Green Wings/Team 8, he used to go by the ID ALBM | ||
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Soohyung
Korea (South)116 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On December 21 2013 07:52 Martijn wrote: You're right in that we could've sat around collecting sponsor money doing little more than booking the occasional flight. But we feel we're too good for that. If you're doing things in esports purely for the money, you're in the wrong market. Most of management has too much expertise and experience to have to settle for positions they don't enjoy. None of us were interested in sitting around for the cash or copping out and picking up a LoL roster or something. LLL suffered from a luxury problem. We had international top players and Benelux top players, like we had global sponsors and Benelux sponsors. Those interests would clash at times. Benelux sponsors would wonder why they're paying us money to send nonbenelux players across the globe and global sponsors would wonder why they're paying to support players that aren't international top. So we made the decision to start a second team and move the international players and sponsors there. This means that LLL and WW are 100% seperate organizations with separate staff, players and sponsors. I think aside from myself there were only 1 or 2 people that had a roll in both teams. The only reason there was any overlap was because of convenience. My work for LLL was work I mostly already had to do for WW anyway. Thank you Martijn and good luck ! Will you stay in esports ? | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On December 21 2013 08:52 Boucot wrote: Thank you Martijn and good luck ! Will you stay in esports ? For now I'd appreciate the focus to be on the players looking for new homes. It'd be kind of crude to start promoting myself and detracting attention away before they are set. So, maybe. | ||
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