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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 20 2013 22:14 GMT
#61
On December 21 2013 03:29 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 03:28 WetSocks wrote:
Sad. Western Wolves is the best team name in eSports imo.


I think Yoe Flash wolves has to be #1


Meet your Makers...?
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
December 20 2013 22:21 GMT
#62
Always wondered how most teams sustain themselves since nobody is promotion their sponsors, i doubt a single guy reading this know a sponsor of WW without looking it up first(which you would not normally do) :D
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
captainwaffles
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1050 Posts
December 20 2013 22:24 GMT
#63
Another one bites the dust.
https://x.com/CaptainWaffless
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
December 20 2013 22:52 GMT
#64
On December 21 2013 05:38 TeslasPigeon wrote:
I still don't understand why you would close the entire team instead of shutting down the division that is becoming the burden. Seems silly.


You're right in that we could've sat around collecting sponsor money doing little more than booking the occasional flight. But we feel we're too good for that. If you're doing things in esports purely for the money, you're in the wrong market.

Most of management has too much expertise and experience to have to settle for positions they don't enjoy. None of us were interested in sitting around for the cash or copping out and picking up a LoL roster or something.

On December 21 2013 06:21 Boucot wrote:
You did a great job Western Wolves. You can be proud of what you've done.

Just a little question : what was the exact relationship between Western Wolves and Low Land Lions ? Were they related in any way or was it just a fork ?

Good luck to all the players and the staff in the future !


LLL suffered from a luxury problem. We had international top players and Benelux top players, like we had global sponsors and Benelux sponsors. Those interests would clash at times. Benelux sponsors would wonder why they're paying us money to send nonbenelux players across the globe and global sponsors would wonder why they're paying to support players that aren't international top.

So we made the decision to start a second team and move the international players and sponsors there. This means that LLL and WW are 100% seperate organizations with separate staff, players and sponsors. I think aside from myself there were only 1 or 2 people that had a roll in both teams. The only reason there was any overlap was because of convenience. My work for LLL was work I mostly already had to do for WW anyway.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 22:56:35
December 20 2013 22:52 GMT
#65
On December 21 2013 01:42 Martijn wrote:

We were actually in a position where we could continue the team without an SC2 squad, or close the team as a whole.

So why didn't you? I may have missed the reasoning for shutting down an entire organization because of one game division so I apologize if I have. Did you feel that WW was too enmeshed into the SC2 scene to survive long without it?
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 20 2013 22:56 GMT
#66
Can someone please mention the players that WW had? Was San one of them? I'm not familiar with their own players unfortunately. Either way, sad to see another team shutting down but it's inevitable. Best of luck to the players!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
December 20 2013 22:58 GMT
#67
On December 21 2013 07:56 BigFan wrote:
Can someone please mention the players that WW had? Was San one of them? I'm not familiar with their own players unfortunately. Either way, sad to see another team shutting down but it's inevitable. Best of luck to the players!

They had Check(ALBM), Daisy, starnan, Ziktomini, and Sting, San is on Yoe Flash Wolves
Moderatorlickypiddy
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
December 20 2013 22:58 GMT
#68
On December 21 2013 07:56 BigFan wrote:
Can someone please mention the players that WW had? Was San one of them? I'm not familiar with their own players unfortunately. Either way, sad to see another team shutting down but it's inevitable. Best of luck to the players!


here, let me Liquipedia that for you:

Check
Daisy
StarNaN
Sting
Ziktomini
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
Drmooose
Profile Joined March 2011
United States390 Posts
December 20 2013 22:59 GMT
#69
Sad to see. Always liked WW. Seemed like the SC2 team that just kept plugging along silently improving their line up. Maybe a resurrection for LotV
I have a question...
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 23:06:16
December 20 2013 23:03 GMT
#70
On December 21 2013 07:52 GunPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 01:42 Martijn wrote:

We were actually in a position where we could continue the team without an SC2 squad, or close the team as a whole.

So why didn't you? I may have missed the reasoning for shutting an entire org because of one game division so I apologize if I have. Did you feel that WW was too enmeshed into the SC2 scene to survive long without it?


Think I just addressed that while you were posting, but to be a bit more thorough; Our Fifa and Fighting game players rely on team support far less than our SC2 roster. We had extremely talented people on staff like Yuna, our Korean liaison, that helped our Korean players a lot. I myself got called up to WW as a problemsolver for SC2. My role within WW is Operations Manager, but since we dropped our CSGO team, 75% of the work was for the SC2 roster.

Fifa and FGC practically ran themselves. As long as I checked in once a week and booked what needed to be, there was rarely much work needed. They benefited from the team much less. Not to mention because of their skilllevel, they will have very little problem landing on their feet.

tldr; They don't need us, we don't have as much to offer them. Only reason to keep going would've been our salaries.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 23:06:22
December 20 2013 23:06 GMT
#71
On December 21 2013 07:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 07:56 BigFan wrote:
Can someone please mention the players that WW had? Was San one of them? I'm not familiar with their own players unfortunately. Either way, sad to see another team shutting down but it's inevitable. Best of luck to the players!

They had Check(ALBM), Daisy, starnan, Ziktomini, and Sting, San is on Yoe Flash Wolves

ALBM? I recall the name but not the previous team he was on. Remember Ziktomini from UK finals I think. Didn't realize Sting was still playing(read something about him retiring? maybe it was just moving teams). oh, ok makes sense that I messed up his team then lol. thanks!

On December 21 2013 07:58 GunPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 07:56 BigFan wrote:
Can someone please mention the players that WW had? Was San one of them? I'm not familiar with their own players unfortunately. Either way, sad to see another team shutting down but it's inevitable. Best of luck to the players!


here, let me Liquipedia that for you:

Check
Daisy
StarNaN
Sting
Ziktomini

merci ~
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 23:07:58
December 20 2013 23:07 GMT
#72
On December 21 2013 08:03 Martijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 07:52 GunPaladin wrote:
On December 21 2013 01:42 Martijn wrote:

We were actually in a position where we could continue the team without an SC2 squad, or close the team as a whole.

So why didn't you? I may have missed the reasoning for shutting an entire org because of one game division so I apologize if I have. Did you feel that WW was too enmeshed into the SC2 scene to survive long without it?


Think I just addressed that while you were posting, but to be a bit more thorough; Our Fifa and Fighting game players rely on team support far less than our SC2 roster. We had extremely talented people on staff like Yuna, our Korean liaison, that helped our Korean players a lot. I myself got called up to WW as a problemsolver for SC2. My role within WW is Operations Manager, but since we dropped our CSGO team, 75% of the work was for the SC2 roster.

Fifa and FGC practically ran themselves. As long as I checked in once a week and booked what needed to be, there was rarely much work needed. They benefited from the team much less. Not to mention because of their skilllevel, they will have very little problem landing on their feet.

tldr; They don't need us, we don't have as much to offer them. Only reason to keep going would've been our salaries.



ah i see, thanks for responding.
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
December 20 2013 23:13 GMT
#73
Good Bye WW! Hope the Koreans can find a team and can continue to play.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
December 20 2013 23:16 GMT
#74
On December 21 2013 08:06 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 07:58 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On December 21 2013 07:56 BigFan wrote:
Can someone please mention the players that WW had? Was San one of them? I'm not familiar with their own players unfortunately. Either way, sad to see another team shutting down but it's inevitable. Best of luck to the players!

They had Check(ALBM), Daisy, starnan, Ziktomini, and Sting, San is on Yoe Flash Wolves

ALBM? I recall the name but not the previous team he was on. Remember Ziktomini from UK finals I think. Didn't realize Sting was still playing(read something about him retiring? maybe it was just moving teams). oh, ok makes sense that I messed up his team then lol. thanks!

Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 07:58 GunPaladin wrote:
On December 21 2013 07:56 BigFan wrote:
Can someone please mention the players that WW had? Was San one of them? I'm not familiar with their own players unfortunately. Either way, sad to see another team shutting down but it's inevitable. Best of luck to the players!


here, let me Liquipedia that for you:

Check
Daisy
StarNaN
Sting
Ziktomini

merci ~

Check was on Jin Air Green Wings/Team 8, he used to go by the ID ALBM
Moderatorlickypiddy
Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
December 20 2013 23:44 GMT
#75
This is quite sad, I liked their team. I hope that especially Sting and Check will find new teams soon. Seeing Check on either Prime or Samsung Galaxy would be great.
이지은
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 20 2013 23:52 GMT
#76
On December 21 2013 07:52 Martijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 05:38 TeslasPigeon wrote:
I still don't understand why you would close the entire team instead of shutting down the division that is becoming the burden. Seems silly.


You're right in that we could've sat around collecting sponsor money doing little more than booking the occasional flight. But we feel we're too good for that. If you're doing things in esports purely for the money, you're in the wrong market.

Most of management has too much expertise and experience to have to settle for positions they don't enjoy. None of us were interested in sitting around for the cash or copping out and picking up a LoL roster or something.

Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 06:21 Boucot wrote:
You did a great job Western Wolves. You can be proud of what you've done.

Just a little question : what was the exact relationship between Western Wolves and Low Land Lions ? Were they related in any way or was it just a fork ?

Good luck to all the players and the staff in the future !


LLL suffered from a luxury problem. We had international top players and Benelux top players, like we had global sponsors and Benelux sponsors. Those interests would clash at times. Benelux sponsors would wonder why they're paying us money to send nonbenelux players across the globe and global sponsors would wonder why they're paying to support players that aren't international top.

So we made the decision to start a second team and move the international players and sponsors there. This means that LLL and WW are 100% seperate organizations with separate staff, players and sponsors. I think aside from myself there were only 1 or 2 people that had a roll in both teams. The only reason there was any overlap was because of convenience. My work for LLL was work I mostly already had to do for WW anyway.

Thank you Martijn and good luck ! Will you stay in esports ?
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
December 20 2013 23:53 GMT
#77
Such a pity, always admired Western Wolves' passion which allowed them to grow from a small team with notable talent, to become one of the top foreign teams, and at least you can depart the scene with your head held high after ATC #2!
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
December 21 2013 00:11 GMT
#78
Well, that sux... good luck to the players
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
December 21 2013 00:17 GMT
#79
Ah, this blows :/ I've always rooted for WW.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
December 21 2013 00:22 GMT
#80
On December 21 2013 08:52 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 07:52 Martijn wrote:
On December 21 2013 05:38 TeslasPigeon wrote:
I still don't understand why you would close the entire team instead of shutting down the division that is becoming the burden. Seems silly.


You're right in that we could've sat around collecting sponsor money doing little more than booking the occasional flight. But we feel we're too good for that. If you're doing things in esports purely for the money, you're in the wrong market.

Most of management has too much expertise and experience to have to settle for positions they don't enjoy. None of us were interested in sitting around for the cash or copping out and picking up a LoL roster or something.

On December 21 2013 06:21 Boucot wrote:
You did a great job Western Wolves. You can be proud of what you've done.

Just a little question : what was the exact relationship between Western Wolves and Low Land Lions ? Were they related in any way or was it just a fork ?

Good luck to all the players and the staff in the future !


LLL suffered from a luxury problem. We had international top players and Benelux top players, like we had global sponsors and Benelux sponsors. Those interests would clash at times. Benelux sponsors would wonder why they're paying us money to send nonbenelux players across the globe and global sponsors would wonder why they're paying to support players that aren't international top.

So we made the decision to start a second team and move the international players and sponsors there. This means that LLL and WW are 100% seperate organizations with separate staff, players and sponsors. I think aside from myself there were only 1 or 2 people that had a roll in both teams. The only reason there was any overlap was because of convenience. My work for LLL was work I mostly already had to do for WW anyway.

Thank you Martijn and good luck ! Will you stay in esports ?


For now I'd appreciate the focus to be on the players looking for new homes. It'd be kind of crude to start promoting myself and detracting attention away before they are set. So, maybe.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
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