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Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 15:36:53
December 20 2013 16:18 GMT
#1
Earlier today I had to break the news to the players which was one of the hardest things I've had to do in a long time. Now you guys are up.

tldr is, we're shutting the team down at the end of the year.

webpage statement
It is with a heavy heart that we are officially announcing that Western Wolves will be closing its doors on December 31st 2013.

Western Wolves emerged as an idea in mid-2011, after about half a year of planning, contacting and pitching later, Western Wolves was officially announced on January 4th 2012. Over the past two years we are extremely proud of what our teams and players have achieved under the wings of Western Wolves. Some have moved on since then and are now playing for the best teams in eSports. We have always tried to create a home for up and coming talent by supporting them in the best possible environment with all means at our disposal.


Thank you to all our current and former staff members: Birger De Geyter, Martijn Bloemheuvel, Sander Van Der Haegen, Michiel De Palmeneire, Reece Fowler, Yuna, Alexander Bratyshkin, John Perd, Connor Magill, David Barker, Kevin Mikkelsen, Mike Howard, Samantha Whale, Sebastian Weishaupt, Thomas Mihailov, Fabien Turgis, Kevin Eun

Last but not least, thank you very much to our faithful sponsors who helped us make Western Wolves possible during these two years: Mad Catz, without them Western Wolves wouldn’t have been, Tritton, Sapphire and AMD for their continuous support.
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http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
December 20 2013 16:20 GMT
#2
Blahh that's sad.

Hopefully the players (especially Check) find new teams.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 20 2013 16:21 GMT
#3
thank you for all the great games you gave us and gl to everyone!
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
December 20 2013 16:23 GMT
#4
What about a reason? :/
I dont like news with important information missing.
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Jayp
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Argentina116 Posts
December 20 2013 16:24 GMT
#5
On December 21 2013 01:23 MasterReY wrote:
What about a reason? :/
I dont like news with important information missing.


It's in the news article.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 20 2013 16:24 GMT
#6
Noooooooooooo

WHY
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
December 20 2013 16:32 GMT
#7
On December 21 2013 01:23 MasterReY wrote:
What about a reason? :/
I dont like news with important information missing.


If there's a lot of questions remaining, I'll fill them in where I can. Of course I won't violate anyone's confidentiality, but I'm confident I can satisfy any questions you lot will have mostly.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14456 Posts
December 20 2013 16:34 GMT
#8
Oh fuck.

I hope Check will find a team soon. :/
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 16:35:37
December 20 2013 16:35 GMT
#9
double threads.

@Jayp
I don't see where it says specifically why they are closing. I can assume it's because they were just not coming out with enough money to keep it going, though.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 20 2013 16:35 GMT
#10
RIP WW, they had that great run in ATC
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
December 20 2013 16:38 GMT
#11
Sorry to hear.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
December 20 2013 16:38 GMT
#12
I hope Check can find a new team . At first I didn't know what to think of you guys after the Spades incident, but you guys really picked it up later and became a team I was happy to watch. Congratulations on all your achievements and it's sad to hear you're closing your doors.
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 20 2013 16:38 GMT
#13
what the... so sad
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 20 2013 16:39 GMT
#14
On December 21 2013 01:32 Martijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 01:23 MasterReY wrote:
What about a reason? :/
I dont like news with important information missing.


If there's a lot of questions remaining, I'll fill them in where I can. Of course I won't violate anyone's confidentiality, but I'm confident I can satisfy any questions you lot will have mostly.

I agree, there is nothing about why they are closing. Since they are closing every single one of their esports teams, we can only assume that it is financial issues
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 16:40:56
December 20 2013 16:39 GMT
#15
On December 21 2013 01:24 Jayp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 01:23 MasterReY wrote:
What about a reason? :/
I dont like news with important information missing.


It's in the news article.



Tell me then, couldn't find it. I hate ppl like you, neither being able to read a freaking article nor being able to give an intelligent answer.

bye WW, sad to see ya go

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Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
December 20 2013 16:41 GMT
#16
T.T sad to hear this.
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 16:59:01
December 20 2013 16:42 GMT
#17
On December 21 2013 01:39 Smurfett3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 01:32 Martijn wrote:
On December 21 2013 01:23 MasterReY wrote:
What about a reason? :/
I dont like news with important information missing.


If there's a lot of questions remaining, I'll fill them in where I can. Of course I won't violate anyone's confidentiality, but I'm confident I can satisfy any questions you lot will have mostly.

I agree, there is nothing about why they are closing. Since they are closing every single one of their esports teams, we can only assume that it is financial issues


We were actually in a position where we could continue the team without an SC2 squad, or close the team as a whole.

It’s no secret that WW invested a lot in StarCaft 2. We already had world top fighting game players, Fifa players and held a promising CSGO roster among others. But with my background, my personal commitment was always going to be focused on StarCraft 2. I think we can be quite proud of what we've accomplished. We look back at having held an IEM title, and now qualifying for ATC establishing ourselves as a top 4 foreigner team.

Unfortunately our formula is one that simply can’t last in the current scene. We've always focused on finding and training new talent. For example Stings pickup was followed by an IEM win and Check has been tearing up qualifiers very close to a breakthrough moment. That means we deal with a lot of relatively new players. These new talents aren't going to have a stack of WCS points. This was never too big of a problem, WW focused primarily on IEM/DH which we could send players to regardless. We’d like to take a moment to thank these 2 organizations for their role in esports. Without them our journey in esports would not have been possible.

The climate is changing however. You can no longer send players to IEM events if they don’t have sufficient WCS points and DH Winter (arguably the main focus of the team) no longer has an open tournament. This means that we have to count on our players to win qualifiers to attend events. This isn't a bad thing; it’s just how the new system works. Unfortunately qualifiers are often finicky. If you look at the names Check beat in stage 1 of the IEM NY qualifiers, you’d think it’s an amazing showing, only to be confronted with Innovation right off the bat in stage 2. If players do qualify, often the qualifiers are too close to events to be able to budget for them, or the events pay for travel at which point a team contributes very little to begin with.

Traditionally, the most talented players got support from teams, now a team is better off picking up someone that already has WCS points. We got caught in a position where we had talented players that we couldn't send to events. We were paying them but we couldn't show a return to our sponsors. We tried to make up for this by providing a lot more content for sponsors, but that just delayed the inevitable and a team like ours can’t function within the WCS system.

We didn't believe in the WCS system and we can’t sell to our sponsors something we don’t believe in. So the decision was made to either continue on without a StarCraft 2 squad or close up shop. Arguably, we could have taken the money we were offered and survived. To be frank, our remaining players (meaning those in other games) are in such a good position within their respective scenes that they’ll be fine even without us. I spent much more time dealing with SC2 than I did with all other teams combined.

Does that answer your question?
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
December 20 2013 16:42 GMT
#18
noooooo sting
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
December 20 2013 16:47 GMT
#19
Man that sucks, but many players in various games were given the chance to compete so that's cool. Take care, cool guys of WW, and good luck to the players. Other sc2 teams better Check themselves.
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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
December 20 2013 16:49 GMT
#20
I hope ALBM and the others can find new teams.
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