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WesternWolves shutting down - Page 5

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AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
December 21 2013 00:29 GMT
#81
This is probably way too late but was this decided before ATC Finals or was that irrelevant?

Anyways my condolences and hope the players find new teams as they're all a talented hard working bunch.
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 21 2013 00:32 GMT
#82
On December 21 2013 09:22 Martijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 08:52 Boucot wrote:
On December 21 2013 07:52 Martijn wrote:
On December 21 2013 05:38 TeslasPigeon wrote:
I still don't understand why you would close the entire team instead of shutting down the division that is becoming the burden. Seems silly.


You're right in that we could've sat around collecting sponsor money doing little more than booking the occasional flight. But we feel we're too good for that. If you're doing things in esports purely for the money, you're in the wrong market.

Most of management has too much expertise and experience to have to settle for positions they don't enjoy. None of us were interested in sitting around for the cash or copping out and picking up a LoL roster or something.

On December 21 2013 06:21 Boucot wrote:
You did a great job Western Wolves. You can be proud of what you've done.

Just a little question : what was the exact relationship between Western Wolves and Low Land Lions ? Were they related in any way or was it just a fork ?

Good luck to all the players and the staff in the future !


LLL suffered from a luxury problem. We had international top players and Benelux top players, like we had global sponsors and Benelux sponsors. Those interests would clash at times. Benelux sponsors would wonder why they're paying us money to send nonbenelux players across the globe and global sponsors would wonder why they're paying to support players that aren't international top.

So we made the decision to start a second team and move the international players and sponsors there. This means that LLL and WW are 100% seperate organizations with separate staff, players and sponsors. I think aside from myself there were only 1 or 2 people that had a roll in both teams. The only reason there was any overlap was because of convenience. My work for LLL was work I mostly already had to do for WW anyway.

Thank you Martijn and good luck ! Will you stay in esports ?


For now I'd appreciate the focus to be on the players looking for new homes. It'd be kind of crude to start promoting myself and detracting attention away before they are set. So, maybe.

Of course. Thanks for answering anyway, must be a tough day.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
December 21 2013 00:35 GMT
#83
On December 21 2013 09:29 AWalker9 wrote:
This is probably way too late but was this decided before ATC Finals or was that irrelevant?

Anyways my condolences and hope the players find new teams as they're all a talented hard working bunch.


It was decided before the finals. Only the 4 best foreign teams made it to the finals after all, that's a great result. We're really proud the guys got there.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1981 Posts
December 21 2013 00:58 GMT
#84
What happens with the players? Will some of them retire?
Total Annihilation Zero
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
December 21 2013 01:35 GMT
#85
wow.
I had the feeling WW was in a pretty good situation...looks like i was wrong.
It was a very good team,i liked players choices.

Gl to staff and players now.
RIP MKP
var username
Profile Joined February 2011
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 01:48:09
December 21 2013 01:47 GMT
#86
On December 21 2013 01:39 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 01:24 Jayp wrote:
On December 21 2013 01:23 MasterReY wrote:
What about a reason? :/
I dont like news with important information missing.


It's in the news article.



Tell me then, couldn't find it. I hate ppl like you, neither being able to read a freaking article nor being able to give an intelligent answer.

bye WW, sad to see ya go

User was warned for this post


Although your reply was rude I actually agree with your point. Too bad Jayp did not receive his share of the punishment.

I'm wondering... if Infiltration left WW because of its impending shutdown or?
Please adopt the party escort position.
Jayp
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Argentina116 Posts
December 21 2013 02:39 GMT
#87
On December 21 2013 10:47 var username wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 01:39 boxerfred wrote:
On December 21 2013 01:24 Jayp wrote:
On December 21 2013 01:23 MasterReY wrote:
What about a reason? :/
I dont like news with important information missing.


It's in the news article.



Tell me then, couldn't find it. I hate ppl like you, neither being able to read a freaking article nor being able to give an intelligent answer.

bye WW, sad to see ya go

User was warned for this post


Although your reply was rude I actually agree with your point. Too bad Jayp did not receive his share of the punishment.

I'm wondering... if Infiltration left WW because of its impending shutdown or?


Sorry, I had a different version as I was Staff, and thought it was detailed. Alas, my bad. Infiltration left for other reasons.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
December 21 2013 02:39 GMT
#88
Very sad. Yet another WCS casualty.
Fonda
Profile Joined March 2013
19 Posts
December 21 2013 02:53 GMT
#89
Very very sad to hear this, but with your explanation it certainly makes sense. It was a good run. Truly wishing everyone the best, I don't think most will have a problem getting picked up should they decide to continue.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
December 21 2013 02:56 GMT
#90
On December 21 2013 10:47 var username wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 01:39 boxerfred wrote:
On December 21 2013 01:24 Jayp wrote:
On December 21 2013 01:23 MasterReY wrote:
What about a reason? :/
I dont like news with important information missing.


It's in the news article.



Tell me then, couldn't find it. I hate ppl like you, neither being able to read a freaking article nor being able to give an intelligent answer.

bye WW, sad to see ya go

User was warned for this post


I'm wondering... if Infiltration left WW because of its impending shutdown or?


Nah, Infiltration left long before any of this played.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
December 21 2013 04:42 GMT
#91
Just read your post on page 1 going in depth on the reasons. Thanks for being so open about the whole situation. It really sucks to see yet another team closing down.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
December 21 2013 08:11 GMT
#92
On December 21 2013 13:42 Bobbias wrote:
Just read your post on page 1 going in depth on the reasons. Thanks for being so open about the whole situation. It really sucks to see yet another team closing down.


We ran the team with openness and clarity, might as well stick to our principles all the way to the end! Thanks for the kind words.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 21 2013 08:11 GMT
#93
i wonder when they realized that its not worth it to hire a couple of unknown koreans without results
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
December 21 2013 10:24 GMT
#94
Check ;_;
The heart's eternal vow
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 21 2013 12:24 GMT
#95
Hope check can find a good team!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
ratty
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand275 Posts
December 21 2013 12:27 GMT
#96
seem like a cool team hope all the players find a new home
no. monkeys land on their feet, they're like masturbating cats ~ #~hyvaa~#~
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
December 21 2013 16:31 GMT
#97
Another one :/
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
E95jisA5dL
Profile Joined March 2013
15 Posts
December 22 2013 07:21 GMT
#98
Great writeup Martijn. It was very insightful and it answered most of my questions that I had after reading the initial news post.
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 07:36:12
December 22 2013 07:32 GMT
#99
Oh, that's sad!
Good luck to the players!
aeligos
Profile Joined January 2013
United States172 Posts
December 23 2013 18:42 GMT
#100
Abolish the WCS.
libera te tvtemet ex inferis A.'.A.'.
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