• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:33
CEST 08:33
KST 15:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview4[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light vespene.gg — BW replays in browser BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
YouTube Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1991 users

Ending my protoss journey - Page 8

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 28 Next All
Incubus1993
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada140 Posts
December 13 2013 17:18 GMT
#141
lol, the grass isn't always greener on the other side is it now?
"I like to keep an open mind, but not so open my brains fall out."
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
December 13 2013 17:18 GMT
#142
Good solution! Rather than having to admit that he couldn't make it as protoss, he blames frustration and saves face. Quite brilliant when you think about it.
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
SolidSMD
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium408 Posts
December 13 2013 17:23 GMT
#143
I wanted to see you fail at the start, but you actually showed me during some games that you are a really smart player and abused your strengths pretty good with protoss, you improved very quickly (in the beginning i was facepalming at some of your pvz's, but a while later i was quite impressed with some of your moves).
That being said, I do think it is pretty lame to back out and still act cocky, if you make such claims about protoss being ridiculously easy and reaching rank 50 GM ezpz, the least you could do is to act humble when backing out of it (your best reason basically is that you hate pvp and don't like to play it, what does this have to do with your claims about protoss being easy?).

In the end you probably don't care at all because you've won quite a few streamviewers (frustrated terrans that like to shit on protoss) and you will not change your attitude vs protoss => laddercommunity will stay as hateful as it is.
Working on Starbow!
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
December 13 2013 17:31 GMT
#144
Had great fun watching your Sjow. You've proved your point with your almost 80% PvT winrate. Of course playing PvP all day is frustrating so I understand your decision.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 17:43:46
December 13 2013 17:43 GMT
#145
On December 13 2013 21:16 ETisME wrote:
lol switched because P too imba in PvT, switched back because PvP is too frustrating

That happened to me on WoL. Didn't switch because TvP tho, but PvP was frustrating as fuck to learn.
Zanzabarr
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 17:52:23
December 13 2013 17:47 GMT
#146
I called this in his chat a few days ago. Watching Sjow's Protoss was painful in all matchups. He never would have had a hope in hell of making his goal on NA ladder let alone EU. He was losing to Masters NA players frequently. I predicted that he would fail, and blame it on lack of motivation or practice, claim Protoss was still imba and imba in PvT, then switch back.

The truth of the matter is, he realized Protoss isn't as easy as all the balance haters would have you think, and tucked his tail and ran to try and save face. Having an insane win rate in PvT doing all-in oracle // blink plays against bad NA Masters players doesn't mean anything either. His Protoss in general was just so terrible that he couldn't even climb the ranks high enough to test his mettle against half decent competition.
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
December 13 2013 17:47 GMT
#147
On December 14 2013 02:23 SolidSMD wrote:
That being said, I do think it is pretty lame to back out and still act cocky, if you make such claims about protoss being ridiculously easy and reaching rank 50 GM ezpz, the least you could do is to act humble when backing out of it (your best reason basically is that you hate pvp and don't like to play it, what does this have to do with your claims about protoss being easy?).


He is standing for his position as a professional whiner.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
December 13 2013 17:50 GMT
#148
Why don't you do MorroW style? going PvT and PvZ but TvP

oh wait.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
December 13 2013 17:53 GMT
#149
Too bad he didn't stick through it for full 30 days no matter what, but I guess having 1 extra terran instead of protoss in GM is always nice to see
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 13 2013 17:53 GMT
#150
would have loved to see you play a few tournament games before switching back.
Nevertheless, good decision imo,

Hope you can Mech up for it. Good luck!
MiND.GaMeS
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany218 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 18:00:02
December 13 2013 17:58 GMT
#151
Another reason he ended his journey was because of PvZ. He just mentioned it on his stream. If you just read the blog post you easily get the impression that the only reason he changed his mind was because of PvPs. In fact though this isn't the case at all...

However thanks for the joy you brought me watching a terran try to play Protoss. Wish you the best of luck trying to become an even better terran with the knowledge you gained about protoss )
HerO / MC / Grubby / Rain / Dear / Naniwa // Also make sure to check out my Blog: http://sc2mindgames.com/category/blog/
Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
December 13 2013 18:06 GMT
#152
On December 13 2013 22:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 22:16 Faust852 wrote:
On December 13 2013 22:10 synd wrote:
wow, toss such ez, like really ez money.
13 days later = switching back to Terran.
lel

Sup, SjoW.
Please trash talk some more the successful toss players who practice more than you.

I think you are really stupid because you can't read the OP.

People read the OP, but we don't believe him. He just figured out that Protoss wasn't as ez pz as he thought in all the match ups and switched back.


Exactly this, I feel sorry for the people thinking we are stupid because "we didn't read op"...
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11086 Posts
December 13 2013 18:26 GMT
#153
Man I feel like sjow missed out on a fantastic opportunity. I would watch someting ala mr bitter's show with 3-5 episodes of Naniwa coaching/cursing sjow!
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
December 13 2013 18:27 GMT
#154
Happy that he have returned and didn't go deep enough into the Protoss.
We need all the foreign Terrans we can get, the way of the Protoss will seem tempting but soon enough Blizzard will come to their senses and give the other races more toys.
The curse is real
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 13 2013 18:28 GMT
#155
On December 14 2013 03:26 Sabu113 wrote:
Man I feel like sjow missed out on a fantastic opportunity. I would watch someting ala mr bitter's show with 3-5 episodes of Naniwa coaching/cursing sjow!


+ Show Spoiler +
In the final episode Naniwa and Sjow go on a murderous rampage as they try to kill every Zerg in Europe and accidently burn down an Ikea. Morrow gets blamed and goes to jail.
Moderator
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
December 13 2013 18:31 GMT
#156
He played protoss with the terran mindset, so ofc he didn't want to change race from the beginning. He just wanted to prove that TvP isn't balanced. Imho he could have done top100 GM withing the 2 weeks, since he was very close from GM already.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
December 13 2013 18:37 GMT
#157
thats what peter forsberg wouldve done.

im proud of you.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 18:58:33
December 13 2013 18:55 GMT
#158
I'm kind of happy to see him fail.

Everyone thinks Protoss is this easy race that anyone with a pulse can play, but there are a lot of nuances to it that people don't notice. PvZ is quite hard. PvP is very tricky (and no, it's not a total coinflip like everyone says it is... some people are known for having good PvP).

I think the reason his PvT was better than his other MUs is because he has a better understanding of Terran as a natural Terran player, not because "PvT imba." The win rates for professional PvT are actually very close to 50%.

I did the same exact thing he did, but switched to Terran from Protoss (to prove to my friends that Terran was not harder). My best MU was TvP, because I already have an understanding of what the Protoss can do and when he can do it.

Savior during his ZvT annihilation period in BW used to practice exclusively as Terran for long periods of time. It's that study of the opponent's race that allowed him to be so dominant (he has said this in interviews).

"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 18:57:25
December 13 2013 18:56 GMT
#159
Right, so you weren't able to put your money where your mouth was? So much for the GM in one month...

I'm glad your stunt in stoking "imba!" whine and retarded discussion from community morons came to a crashing halt.

Better luck grinding and getting better with your chosen race. "More gg, more skill" as Grandpa Toss, says.
KT best KT ~ 2014
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 19:00:32
December 13 2013 18:58 GMT
#160
Haha, I'm disappoint, but solely because of all the Protoss gloating in this thread.
"Protoss master race reporting in!"
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 28 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 28m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 167
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 9993
Mong 4293
Hyuk 483
Mind 288
Bale 26
Noble 22
JulyZerg 10
Dota 2
monkeys_forever382
NeuroSwarm201
League of Legends
JimRising 690
Other Games
summit1g13896
WinterStarcraft526
RuFF_SC266
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick805
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 46
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1065
Other Games
• Scarra2884
Upcoming Events
GSL
1h 28m
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
IPSL
9h 28m
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
12h 28m
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.