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Living Up to It: Acer.Scarlett @ ASUS ROG NorthCon

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Living Up to It: Acer.Scarlett @ ASUS ROG NorthCon

Text byChristelle
December 6th, 2013 00:22 GMT
Photo: Dan Drayzen
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ASUS ROG:
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Living up to the Hype: Acer.Scarlett

by Christelle

If we had to pick one specific moment, we could say (Z)Acer.Scarlett’s professional career began at her first premier event of IPL 4 in the spring of 2012. Qualified as a result of winning the Playhem “Sponsor Me!” tournament, the previously unknown Scarlett burst into the spotlight by racking up a string of victories against established players like Terius, DdoRo and DeMuslim, and taking Oz to the brink of defeat in a 1-2 series before eventually getting eliminated by Golden.

In the end, that was just barely good enough for a top 40 finish in the tournament. But placement didn't matter, for Scarlett appeared to be a rarity: a North American player who was truly competitive with the rest of the world. After a humorous and brief stint on Eclypsia, Scarlett joined her present team of Acer Esports. There, she continued her rise, looking to be a step ahead all of her countrymen as she won WCS Canada. Scarlett then showed she was better than the players on the rest of the continent as well, going 12-1 as she won the WCS North American championship.

Even though, Scarlett had managed to go from being an amateur to the winner of the WCS North America in the span of only four month, that had never been the true test. No, that prove that she could rival the lords of StarCraft themselves, the Koreans.

To that end, Scarlett's vs. Korean performances in her debut year were hopeful, but not entirely successful. She managed to defeat players like Bomber, HerO, and RyunG at IPL5 and MLG Fall, but failed to finish in the top 16 after losing to other Koreans. At the WCS 2012 Global Finals in Shanghai, PartinG showed Scarlett she still had a long way to go after pummeling her 3-0 to send her out of the tournament.

In January of 2013, Scarlett packed her bags and travelled to Korea to train at the Axiom team house, thanks to the newly formed Axiom-Acer partnership. While at first the Korean training didn't seem to have much of an effect initially as Scarlett went out in the Ro16 of the first WCS America, she would have what the Koreans call an "explosion of potential" in August.

In WCS America Season 2, Scarlett went through the heart of EG-TL's line-up, taking out HerO, Revival, and aLive as she made a great run to the semi-finals. She even made it within one map of defeating Jaedong and reaching the grand finals, only to fall to the Tyrant's 6-pool all-in in the fifth and final map. Just a few weeks later at the Season 2 Finals in Cologne, Scarlett would go 2-0 against both MMA and Maru in the group stage, and just barely lose 2-3 to Bomber in the quarter-finals. Hyped since 2012, Scarlett was no longer a player who merely showed glimpses of greatness. She was beating Koreans, beating them when the whole world was watching her, and beating them when it truly mattered. In short, she had arrived.

Scarlett has continued to play well at Red Bull NYC and IEM Singapore. By now, few will have failed to have noticed Game 3 between Scarlett and Bomber which is certainly one of the best games ever played. But Scarlett's standard play might have been even more impressive than such flashy, show-stopping plays. She was only narrowly defeated by WCS 2013 champion sOs in a tight 2-3 series, and she absolutely dominated the BossToss MC in the 3rd place match of the tournament. IEM Singapore was less of a success as Scarlett was eliminated in the Ro8 by CJ's Hydra. However, she still reaffirmed her ZvT credentials by defeating Dream and then Bomber to make it out of the Ro16 group stage.

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"Protoss, what a great joke!"

Looking at her Ro16 group going into ASUS ROG, we see that Scarlett is the sole Zerg player going up against Terrans Jjakji and Lucifron, as well as the Protoss elfi. Given her recent performances, there's no reason to worry about Scarlett’s capacity in ZvT. As far as the Protoss race goes, her negative feelings about the race are no secret. But in terms of actual results, her strong showings against MC and sOs suggests she is better than she cares to admit. The more interesting factor here is Scarlett's great respect for (or at least, great bemusement with) elfi, as she is the proprietor of his TeamLiquid Fanclub.

Of course, things only get tougher as the tournament goes on, with players like INnoVation, San, Jaedong, and Life likely to be later round opponents. Against such opposition, few players in the entire world can be considered to be favorites, whether they are Korean or not.

ASUS ROG NorthCon 2013 will be the final major international event of the year, and it presents a set of unique last chances. There's that not-entirely symbolic factor of foreigners failing to win a single premier tournament this year. The GSL has thought it sufficient to hold their Hot6ix Cup solely with players from the WCS Korea region, and as arrogant as that decision may seem, it cannot be faulted unless a foreigner proves them wrong.

Scarlett has shot to the top of the foreigner charts, at least matching NaNiwa in terms of quality of play, if not yet in terms of pure results. Winning a major tournament would be the perfect way to end her 2013, a year where she went from one of the most hyped foreigners to one who proved that she fully deserved that hype. As it stands now, 2013 for foreigners is the year when Stephano retired and NaNiwa almost won. Winning at ASUS ROG makes 2013 the year where Scarlett ascended.

Writers: Christelle.
Photos: Dan Drayzen, GHOSTCLAW.
Editor: Waxangel.
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Yhamm
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France7248 Posts
December 06 2013 00:29 GMT
#2
should have done this when we could still vote for you!
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Caladan
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Germany1238 Posts
December 06 2013 00:36 GMT
#3
Really nice article!
Thx!
Still I feel Naniwa is a bit ahead when it comes to actual results and beating big names.
MirageTaN
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Singapore871 Posts
December 06 2013 00:40 GMT
#4
Yay scarlett !
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neobowman
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Canada3324 Posts
December 06 2013 00:40 GMT
#5
Scarlett hwaiting!
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
December 06 2013 00:40 GMT
#6
Would still bet on Naniwa.

It's nice for americans to have /someone/ to root for though ~

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Australia412 Posts
December 06 2013 00:41 GMT
#7
Great write up! I think her and Naniwa are pretty comparable to be honest. Both can consistently match up against Code S Koreans and challenge them
vik7
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United States227 Posts
December 06 2013 00:45 GMT
#8
2013 year of Koreans, will 2014 be a rise of the foreign hope!
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Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
December 06 2013 00:47 GMT
#9
The only thing holding back the Queen of Blades is her assumption that top level Koreans will not cheese her. They have, and they will.
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Kreggar
Profile Joined September 2011
United States83 Posts
December 06 2013 00:55 GMT
#10
great read! Scarlett is easily one of my favorite Zergs to watch, and I'm eager to see how she does at ASUS.

Long live the Queen of Creep!
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yudan
Profile Joined January 2013
Australia23 Posts
December 06 2013 01:11 GMT
#11
'Winning at ASUS ROG makes 2013 the year where Scarlett ascended.' makes it sound like she has already won??
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
December 06 2013 01:15 GMT
#12
wow look at that pic, they look quite friendly together
Grumbels
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Netherlands7031 Posts
December 06 2013 01:16 GMT
#13
I wonder if Scarlett now is better than Stephano in terms of peak skill.
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Germany6799 Posts
December 06 2013 01:43 GMT
#14
On December 06 2013 10:16 Grumbels wrote:
I wonder if Scarlett now is better than Stephano in terms of peak skill.

Pretty hard to compare since players have gotten better but Stephano was at least better relative to the competition as he actually won major tournaments.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
December 06 2013 01:45 GMT
#15
She is friends with Polt and teammates with INnoVation and MMA and with game 3 v bomber who can doubt here ZvT
she nearly beat sOs and dominated MC her ZvP is getting better by the day
she even defeated DRG in his year of dominance she is a Queen of ZvZ
She is heir to stephano and so much more
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Ouija
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United States129 Posts
December 06 2013 01:52 GMT
#16
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
December 06 2013 01:55 GMT
#17
On December 06 2013 10:43 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 10:16 Grumbels wrote:
I wonder if Scarlett now is better than Stephano in terms of peak skill.

Pretty hard to compare since players have gotten better but Stephano was at least better relative to the competition as he actually won major tournaments.


Yeah Stephano was one of the best Zergs in the world, Scarlett is one of the best at ZvT, and "only" the best foreign zerg in the other two matchups.

Scarlett now would probably beat 2011 Stephano if time travel were possible.
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Hong Kong9172 Posts
December 06 2013 01:59 GMT
#18
missing one in the photo credit space
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 06 2013 02:00 GMT
#19
Her ZvT makes me horny with all those baneling landmines
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United States131 Posts
December 06 2013 02:01 GMT
#20
very winnable group for her
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Canada1026 Posts
December 06 2013 02:06 GMT
#21
"No, that prove that she could rival lords of StarCraft themselves, the Koreans."

sounds kinda weird, or maybe its just me

anyway nice right up love watching scarlett play, i had no idea she was a fan of elfi.
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United States4064 Posts
December 06 2013 02:42 GMT
#22
great writeup as always from the TL staff =D
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
December 06 2013 03:43 GMT
#23
Thanks for the write up! GO GO Scarlett!

Anyway she is hands down one of the best zergs, Korean and Non-Korean.
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 03:48:14
December 06 2013 03:47 GMT
#24
On December 06 2013 09:29 Yhamm wrote:
should have done this when we could still vote for you!


you had my vote

I'm forever indebted for the Jaedong WCS preview
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
December 06 2013 03:50 GMT
#25
On December 06 2013 11:06 Conut wrote:
"No, that prove that she could rival lords of StarCraft themselves, the Koreans."

sounds kinda weird, or maybe its just me

anyway nice right up love watching scarlett play, i had no idea she was a fan of elfi.



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Malaysia1996 Posts
December 06 2013 04:21 GMT
#26
Go Scarlett!!
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Profile Joined July 2013
62 Posts
December 06 2013 04:23 GMT
#27
Nice write up! I'm really hoping to see Scarlett take top 3 at ASUS ROG, if not take the whole thing
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Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 06:12:39
December 06 2013 06:12 GMT
#28
Shit, they mentioned Elfi, everyone take a drink!
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Profile Joined September 2013
United States48 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 07:22:36
December 06 2013 07:20 GMT
#29
she will most definitely make top 8 seeing there is only 1 korean in her group. But i dont think she will win the tournament. Too many top notch koreans

also why did naniwa cancel his invite?
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Canada16217 Posts
December 06 2013 08:10 GMT
#30
Thanks for the write-up!
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Sub40APM
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6336 Posts
December 06 2013 08:14 GMT
#31
On December 06 2013 10:55 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 10:43 Bagi wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:16 Grumbels wrote:
I wonder if Scarlett now is better than Stephano in terms of peak skill.

Pretty hard to compare since players have gotten better but Stephano was at least better relative to the competition as he actually won major tournaments.


Yeah Stephano was one of the best Zergs in the world, Scarlett is one of the best at ZvT, and "only" the best foreign zerg in the other two matchups.

Scarlett now would probably beat 2011 Stephano if time travel were possible.

Yes but towards the back end of his high point it was patch-zerg time and although Stephano wasnt one the reality that BL-Infestor was coming always put the clock on Protoss/non-Korean terrans playing him, causing them to play in a much different way than they play now. He seemed pretty so-so in HOTS but then perhaps his spirit was broken by being in Korea.
At the end of the day though Stephano has tournament wins and Scarlett doesnt.
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Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
December 06 2013 08:15 GMT
#32
Life v Inno finals... Almost guaranteed except for JD.
It is very obvious...
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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
December 06 2013 08:17 GMT
#33
God damn this makes me want to see scarlett win something so badly.
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Russian Federation14 Posts
December 06 2013 08:20 GMT
#34
"Protoss, what a great joke!"
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Australia54784 Posts
December 06 2013 08:21 GMT
#35
scarlett never 4-0'd maru :o
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GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
December 06 2013 08:46 GMT
#36
Ha, I had forgotten that it was Golden that stopped her run at IPL4. Kinda poetic that he knocked her out of the tournament that launched her career, and she knocked him out of the tournament that ended his.

Anyway, nice article! Thank you for writing it!
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
December 06 2013 08:48 GMT
#37
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.


It's actually PvP that took out NaNi in DH and the Zergs he's lost to are Life and SoulKey, they are so bad right?

Gl Scarlett btw!
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Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
December 06 2013 09:03 GMT
#38
On December 06 2013 12:50 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 11:06 Conut wrote:
"No, that prove that she could rival lords of StarCraft themselves, the Koreans."

sounds kinda weird, or maybe its just me

anyway nice right up love watching scarlett play, i had no idea she was a fan of elfi.



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Germany8360 Posts
December 06 2013 09:27 GMT
#39
On December 06 2013 17:21 opterown wrote:
scarlett never 4-0'd maru :o


I think so too. But didn't she go like 2-0 2-0 in some GSL style group stage? I might be wrong though.
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Spain493 Posts
December 06 2013 09:28 GMT
#40
Excellent article. I love Scarlett's play. In particular, her ZvT is, in my opinion, as good as the very best zergs.
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Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
December 06 2013 09:47 GMT
#41
On December 06 2013 17:14 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 10:55 Cheren wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:43 Bagi wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:16 Grumbels wrote:
I wonder if Scarlett now is better than Stephano in terms of peak skill.

Pretty hard to compare since players have gotten better but Stephano was at least better relative to the competition as he actually won major tournaments.


Yeah Stephano was one of the best Zergs in the world, Scarlett is one of the best at ZvT, and "only" the best foreign zerg in the other two matchups.

Scarlett now would probably beat 2011 Stephano if time travel were possible.

Yes but towards the back end of his high point it was patch-zerg time and although Stephano wasnt one the reality that BL-Infestor was coming always put the clock on Protoss/non-Korean terrans playing him, causing them to play in a much different way than they play now. He seemed pretty so-so in HOTS but then perhaps his spirit was broken by being in Korea.
At the end of the day though Stephano has tournament wins and Scarlett doesnt.

The patch zerg time was the moment where his results started declining actually due to the amount of Zergs showing up in tournaments and his bad ZvZ (he was pretty sour about it, losing to complete no names). In HOTS he made it to the WCS EU finals and no foreigner has done better until now.

I think Scarlett is better than Stephano but she doesn't have the creativity Stephano had in his prime (maybe because the game has been figured out).
Zealously
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 06 2013 09:49 GMT
#42
On December 06 2013 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 17:21 opterown wrote:
scarlett never 4-0'd maru :o


I think so too. But didn't she go like 2-0 2-0 in some GSL style group stage? I might be wrong though.


She went 2-0 against Maru at the WCS Season 2 Finals.
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 06 2013 10:12 GMT
#43
On December 06 2013 10:16 Grumbels wrote:
I wonder if Scarlett now is better than Stephano in terms of peak skill.

People often confuse more accomplished with more skilled. Stephano is definitely the more accomplished of them given his tournament wins, in terms of raw skill, Scarlett is ahead by quite a bit.
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HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
December 06 2013 10:15 GMT
#44
On December 06 2013 19:12 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 10:16 Grumbels wrote:
I wonder if Scarlett now is better than Stephano in terms of peak skill.

People often confuse more accomplished with more skilled. Stephano is definitely the more accomplished of them given his tournament wins, in terms of raw skill, Scarlett is ahead by quite a bit.


Everyone is quite a bit ahead of everyone from two years ago. The top few players in the world currently are a million times better in raw skill than MVP was during his reign, but that doesn't detract from his achievements.

(I'm agreeing with you, just adding my thoughts)
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Finland7524 Posts
December 06 2013 10:42 GMT
#45
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Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 06 2013 11:03 GMT
#46
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 06 2013 11:53 GMT
#47
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

I seem to recall her winning WCS NA.

And arguing about who would beat who in theoretical match up is generally just a waste of time.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 06 2013 11:59 GMT
#48
On December 06 2013 20:53 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

I seem to recall her winning WCS NA.

And arguing about who would beat who in theoretical match up is generally just a waste of time.


She hasn't been to the finals of a truly international tournament (ie one where Koreans are allowed to participate) as far as I know. I don't necessarily mean to say that one is better than the other, but I think it's hard to argue against Naniwa having had more success in tournaments with Korean participation.
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Poland611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 12:21:32
December 06 2013 12:21 GMT
#49
On December 06 2013 20:59 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 20:53 Squat wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

I seem to recall her winning WCS NA.

And arguing about who would beat who in theoretical match up is generally just a waste of time.


She hasn't been to the finals of a truly international tournament (ie one where Koreans are allowed to participate) as far as I know. I don't necessarily mean to say that one is better than the other, but I think it's hard to argue against Naniwa having had more success in tournaments with Korean participation.


Thanks Zealously
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2393 Posts
December 06 2013 12:56 GMT
#50
On December 06 2013 20:59 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 20:53 Squat wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

I seem to recall her winning WCS NA.

And arguing about who would beat who in theoretical match up is generally just a waste of time.


She hasn't been to the finals of a truly international tournament (ie one where Koreans are allowed to participate) as far as I know. I don't necessarily mean to say that one is better than the other, but I think it's hard to argue against Naniwa having had more success in tournaments with Korean participation.

Does RSL not count?
Progamer
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 13:05:43
December 06 2013 13:00 GMT
#51
On December 06 2013 20:53 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

I seem to recall her winning WCS NA.

And arguing about who would beat who in theoretical match up is generally just a waste of time.

Generally arguing about this probably would be a waste of time. I´m not trying to start that discussion, I am just saying, that his assumption (said in a pretty aggresive tone) is in no way supported by evidence.

Also when I talk about results, I am talking about premier tournaments. The latest ZOTAC cup had Snute, Kas, Bly, Tefel, Dimaga, Tails and elfi in it. That is probably a stronger line-up than the WCS NA had at that point (IIRC, HuK was in a pretty bad slump at that time, Idra was getting worse and Scarlett was´nt at her current level) and it will never get brought up in a results discussion.

On December 06 2013 21:56 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 20:59 Zealously wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:53 Squat wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

I seem to recall her winning WCS NA.

And arguing about who would beat who in theoretical match up is generally just a waste of time.


She hasn't been to the finals of a truly international tournament (ie one where Koreans are allowed to participate) as far as I know. I don't necessarily mean to say that one is better than the other, but I think it's hard to argue against Naniwa having had more success in tournaments with Korean participation.

Does RSL not count?

RSL is worth quite a lot, but in the former statement I was talking about premiers. Pls don´t feel offended by my former statement, but I had to list a few facts against one of your more non-factual followers making unproved and aggressive calls.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 06 2013 13:43 GMT
#52
On December 06 2013 20:59 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 20:53 Squat wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

I seem to recall her winning WCS NA.

And arguing about who would beat who in theoretical match up is generally just a waste of time.


She hasn't been to the finals of a truly international tournament (ie one where Koreans are allowed to participate) as far as I know. I don't necessarily mean to say that one is better than the other, but I think it's hard to argue against Naniwa having had more success in tournaments with Korean participation.

I'm not debating the results, they speak for themselves. I've always been more interested in who you play against and how you fare against top tier opponents, not how far you go in tournaments. That is far too influenced by lucky brackets and happenstance for me. Someone draws 2 foreigners and a fading Korean, someone else draws Maru and SK.
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IcED Bk
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada245 Posts
December 06 2013 14:18 GMT
#53
QUEEN OF BLADES
Shes easily my favorite Zerg... shes just so good its unreal.
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Maegi
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland174 Posts
December 06 2013 14:48 GMT
#54
She's definitely the second best foreigner
NaNiwa <3
TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
December 06 2013 14:50 GMT
#55
On December 06 2013 21:56 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 20:59 Zealously wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:53 Squat wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

I seem to recall her winning WCS NA.

And arguing about who would beat who in theoretical match up is generally just a waste of time.


She hasn't been to the finals of a truly international tournament (ie one where Koreans are allowed to participate) as far as I know. I don't necessarily mean to say that one is better than the other, but I think it's hard to argue against Naniwa having had more success in tournaments with Korean participation.

Does RSL not count?

Just a question, but did you get to the finals of the most recent RSL?
I remember you losing a very close ZvZ to Life in the semis of a RSL.
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2393 Posts
December 06 2013 15:05 GMT
#56
On December 06 2013 23:50 TaishiCi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 21:56 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:59 Zealously wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:53 Squat wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

I seem to recall her winning WCS NA.

And arguing about who would beat who in theoretical match up is generally just a waste of time.


She hasn't been to the finals of a truly international tournament (ie one where Koreans are allowed to participate) as far as I know. I don't necessarily mean to say that one is better than the other, but I think it's hard to argue against Naniwa having had more success in tournaments with Korean participation.

Does RSL not count?

Just a question, but did you get to the finals of the most recent RSL?
I remember you losing a very close ZvZ to Life in the semis of a RSL.

2nd RSL :o
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
December 06 2013 15:11 GMT
#57
On December 07 2013 00:05 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 23:50 TaishiCi wrote:
On December 06 2013 21:56 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:59 Zealously wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:53 Squat wrote:
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

I seem to recall her winning WCS NA.

And arguing about who would beat who in theoretical match up is generally just a waste of time.


She hasn't been to the finals of a truly international tournament (ie one where Koreans are allowed to participate) as far as I know. I don't necessarily mean to say that one is better than the other, but I think it's hard to argue against Naniwa having had more success in tournaments with Korean participation.

Does RSL not count?

Just a question, but did you get to the finals of the most recent RSL?
I remember you losing a very close ZvZ to Life in the semis of a RSL.

2nd RSL :o

i remember cause you beat HerO! that definitely counts
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10312 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 17:21:09
December 06 2013 17:03 GMT
#58
"The GSL has thought it sufficient to hold their Hot6ix Cup solely with players from the WCS Korea region, and as arrogant as that decision may seem, it cannot be faulted unless a foreigner proves them wrong."

What a joke. Koreans don't owe foreigners anything, don't need to invite their players to their GSL pantheon to accommodate viewers who hold more allegiance to a nation, player, gender, or skin color than skill. If Scarlett was good enough to be there, she would be there, win or loss at this next tournament.

People don't realize this has happened before, probably around 8-9 years ago. Foreigners fell behind their Korean counterparts, and fans left because of it. No big loss for top level play in BW. Won't be a big loss for SC2.

EDIT: I do want to wish best of luck to Scarlett. There will be tough competition ahead. I don't know much about SC2, but I have the suspicion that floating over 1k from ~7:00-9:00 vs. Bomber is a display of limitations.
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footballexpert
Profile Joined September 2012
China13 Posts
December 06 2013 20:24 GMT
#59
lol, Macsed!
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DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
December 06 2013 21:38 GMT
#60
On December 06 2013 20:03 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 10:52 Ouija wrote:
Scarlett would crush Naniwa, I wish that fool was attending the tourney to watch it happen live! Naniwa has been knocked out of the past few major tournaments he has participated in by zerg opponents.

I wish Scarlett the best of luck, but if jaedong/stardust advance out of group B I think she will have a very tough time advancing past the ro8.

He got eliminated by Soulkey at Blizzcon (Yes, he made it to Blizzcon, unlike every other foreigner including Scarlett) and by Life at IEM and DH(at least in the WB). At IEM he made it into the finals, unlike Scarlett, who never made a finals in her entire career. Getting eliminated by the two best zergs in the world and knocking out Hyun twice and Leenock on the way to that does not make you crushable that easy by every zerg.

Jaedong? :D
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PsychoKid
Profile Joined March 2013
Netherlands2 Posts
December 06 2013 22:18 GMT
#61
gogo Scarlett
Drone So Hard
for_the_swarm
Profile Joined September 2013
United States48 Posts
December 07 2013 00:54 GMT
#62
i think she got a good draw. Stardust is probably the weakest out of the remaining koreans. I can see a top 4 finish
chavo
Profile Joined March 2008
United States14 Posts
December 07 2013 02:25 GMT
#63
Awesome control and macro. Love watching her games.
Woj
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States133 Posts
December 07 2013 04:41 GMT
#64
Gogo Scarlett! grea to see her doing so well =)
KingofGods
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1218 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 05:29:16
December 07 2013 05:29 GMT
#65
No mention of her beating Bumblebee Prime which was the first time anyone heard of her?
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
December 07 2013 05:57 GMT
#66
Go Scarlett!

Side Note: It's really sad during all her games on Twitch you get 1000 trolls hating and talking all this nonsense about her, really shows the maturity level of the sc2 viewership. I guess it's my fault for thinking humanity had evolved past that level of ignorance.
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
metroid composite
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada231 Posts
December 07 2013 06:23 GMT
#67
On December 07 2013 09:54 for_the_swarm wrote:
i think she got a good draw. Stardust is probably the weakest out of the remaining koreans. I can see a top 4 finish


She beat him 2-0 the last time they met, although that was in WoL.
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Gruntt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States175 Posts
December 07 2013 07:50 GMT
#68
Random elfi victory out of nowhere, gonna win it all.

he just is.. he's going to win it all

elfi i hope you're reading.. because i've just revealed your future

gg peoples, elfi gonna rip everyone apart
Gruntt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States175 Posts
December 07 2013 07:51 GMT
#69
On December 07 2013 14:57 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Go Scarlett!

Side Note: It's really sad during all her games on Twitch you get 1000 trolls hating and talking all this nonsense about her, really shows the maturity level of the sc2 viewership. I guess it's my fault for thinking humanity had evolved past that level of ignorance.

not just the sc2 community that feels that way

and gamers have always been trolls

the only new thing now is they aren't even gamers, they're just try-hard noobs who were never good at games... thats why they watch streams
lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
December 07 2013 08:45 GMT
#70
On December 06 2013 18:47 Swiipii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 17:14 Sub40APM wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:55 Cheren wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:43 Bagi wrote:
On December 06 2013 10:16 Grumbels wrote:
I wonder if Scarlett now is better than Stephano in terms of peak skill.

Pretty hard to compare since players have gotten better but Stephano was at least better relative to the competition as he actually won major tournaments.


Yeah Stephano was one of the best Zergs in the world, Scarlett is one of the best at ZvT, and "only" the best foreign zerg in the other two matchups.

Scarlett now would probably beat 2011 Stephano if time travel were possible.

Yes but towards the back end of his high point it was patch-zerg time and although Stephano wasnt one the reality that BL-Infestor was coming always put the clock on Protoss/non-Korean terrans playing him, causing them to play in a much different way than they play now. He seemed pretty so-so in HOTS but then perhaps his spirit was broken by being in Korea.
At the end of the day though Stephano has tournament wins and Scarlett doesnt.

The patch zerg time was the moment where his results started declining actually due to the amount of Zergs showing up in tournaments and his bad ZvZ (he was pretty sour about it, losing to complete no names). In HOTS he made it to the WCS EU finals and no foreigner has done better until now.

I think Scarlett is better than Stephano but she doesn't have the creativity Stephano had in his prime (maybe because the game has been figured out).


Id agree with this. Stephano was inventive, his flanks and army movement are still unmatched, surprisingly and he had this sheer ability to stay cool in a series. Scarlett has some of the best raw mechanics out there period. Her creep spread is unmatched, her macro is insane (a game vs maru had her on 5 bases 90 drones but with almost zero minerals with a ling heavy comp) she has muta control JD would be jealous of and she's just super fast with the hands. I can barely spot her burrow her banelings as she moves her armies all over the map. Once she develops the same tenacity and clear headed thinking she displays in certain games, to entire series watch out.
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
December 07 2013 10:36 GMT
#71
Scarlett Fighting! ^_^
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RESOqub
Profile Joined September 2013
51 Posts
December 07 2013 10:39 GMT
#72
As a terran player I will never, ever forget those baneling landmines against Bomber.

Amazing player and remarkable rolemodel for a community that doesn't have many of them.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 07 2013 13:47 GMT
#73
She's getting there!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
for_the_swarm
Profile Joined September 2013
United States48 Posts
December 07 2013 18:25 GMT
#74
On December 07 2013 22:47 SC2Toastie wrote:
She's getting there!

oh yea
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operwolf
Profile Joined April 2008
United States324 Posts
December 07 2013 18:30 GMT
#75
No matter what happens she is an amazing player, glgl!!
He'll end up dead, because he'll die.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 07 2013 18:36 GMT
#76
is operwofl a werewolf version of opterown
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Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
December 07 2013 20:37 GMT
#77
This is awesome! Love all 3 last players, so I cannot even decide whom to cheer for ^.^
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10312 Posts
December 08 2013 04:14 GMT
#78
JD/Korea FTW.

Skill > jingoism.
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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
December 08 2013 04:31 GMT
#79
Great run by Scarlett. Reppin' Canada like a bawss. Congratulations on + Show Spoiler +
runner up.

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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12702 Posts
December 08 2013 04:47 GMT
#80
Scareltt did so well, I was surprised at the her gosu ZvZ
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