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Hot6ix Cup - Maru v soO, Bomber vs Soulkey on D2 - Page 3

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SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
December 05 2013 06:04 GMT
#41
Soulkey > Bomber
Maru > soO
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
December 05 2013 06:17 GMT
#42
Bomber - Soulkey 1-3,Maru - soO 3-2
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 07:26:31
December 05 2013 07:25 GMT
#43
On December 05 2013 07:30 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 07:24 hansonslee wrote:
Bomber's Law still exists!

I really hope Maru takes this! We need our MarinePrince!


I wrote something about that. I'm not sure what people want Bomber's Law to mean anymore. Is it choking? Well, everyone does. Is it losing? Everyone does? Is it losing to inferior players? Most people do, and Bomber doesn't do it much more frequently than anyone else. Is it high variance in level of play? Yeah, a lot of players have that, and most of said players don't have Bomber's results.


To me, Bomber's Law is defined as a very talented player specifically Bomber can lose in a disappointing manner. Granted, there are a lot of players who will have a bad day and lose it all (like Jaedong). However, Bomber may have won two championships, but, as a Bomber fan, I know that he can do better. To me, he's very a smart guy, unlike mechanical players such as Innovation, with sharp mechanics. I don't mind if people can beat him out right (like when he lost against Scarlett on very close matches). However, we see more unforced errors from him, even when he recently accidentally moved his tanks to the locust swarm against the same person. For a person like him, I believe that he can do better and perhaps deserves better than how he presents himself. Perhaps, he's special because, for a guy who is getting older, he can pull off very impressive feats. Regardless, the fact of the matter is that Bomber tends to lose in a saddening manner, and I continue to believe, given his history, would continue to happen, regardless of how much the fans despise it.

Also, although SoulKey lost against Bomber in BlizzCon, I would bet my money on his consistency for safety reasons. But then, again, I guess that's what's cool about Bomber. Everyone has a legitimate reason to root for or against him.
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 07:32:35
December 05 2013 07:31 GMT
#44
On December 05 2013 16:25 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 07:30 Zealously wrote:
On December 05 2013 07:24 hansonslee wrote:
Bomber's Law still exists!

I really hope Maru takes this! We need our MarinePrince!


I wrote something about that. I'm not sure what people want Bomber's Law to mean anymore. Is it choking? Well, everyone does. Is it losing? Everyone does? Is it losing to inferior players? Most people do, and Bomber doesn't do it much more frequently than anyone else. Is it high variance in level of play? Yeah, a lot of players have that, and most of said players don't have Bomber's results.


To me, Bomber's Law is defined as a very talented player specifically Bomber can lose in a disappointing manner. Granted, there are a lot of players who will have a bad day and lose it all (like Jaedong). However, Bomber may have won two championships, but, as a Bomber fan, I know that he can do better. To me, he's very a smart guy, unlike mechanical players such as Innovation, with sharp mechanics. I don't mind if people can beat him out right (like when he lost against Scarlett on very close matches). However, we see more unforced errors from him, even when he recently accidentally moved his tanks to the locust swarm against the same person. For a person like him, I believe that he can do better and perhaps deserves better than how he presents himself. Perhaps, he's special because, for a guy who is getting older, he can pull off very impressive feats. Regardless, the fact of the matter is that Bomber tends to lose in a saddening manner, and I continue to believe, given his history, would continue to happen, regardless of how much the fans despise it.

Also, although SoulKey lost against Bomber in BlizzCon, I would bet my money on his consistency for safety reasons. But then, again, I guess that's what's cool about Bomber. Everyone has a legitimate reason to root for or against him.


I think it's more Bomber's specific ability to look completely unstoppable in one series to the extent that people question if his opponent even had a chance and then in the very next series lose in a way that makes you feel silly for thinking he was even close to unstoppable to begin with. There are lots of players with results that vary greatly, but never with the same feel of domination followed by total submission that Bomber seems to display.
In Somnis Veritas
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
December 05 2013 07:44 GMT
#45
Sorry for doubting you, Bomber, I really wish for you to dominate.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 05 2013 07:52 GMT
#46
hmm can't help but feel Maru and Soulkey will take it. soO isn't a slouch and I think it's be 3-2 with very close games. Maybe a base race or two Soulkey got this though!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
December 05 2013 08:10 GMT
#47
Maru and whoever please.
Flash | Mvp
uThermal
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands165 Posts
December 05 2013 08:47 GMT
#48
maru vs dear finals omfg
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
December 05 2013 08:56 GMT
#49
gogo Terrans!!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
December 05 2013 09:06 GMT
#50
Confusing xD
This just gives more questions than answers to me
Still should be great TvZ
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Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 09:20:03
December 05 2013 09:17 GMT
#51
On December 05 2013 16:25 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 07:30 Zealously wrote:
On December 05 2013 07:24 hansonslee wrote:
Bomber's Law still exists!

I really hope Maru takes this! We need our MarinePrince!


I wrote something about that. I'm not sure what people want Bomber's Law to mean anymore. Is it choking? Well, everyone does. Is it losing? Everyone does? Is it losing to inferior players? Most people do, and Bomber doesn't do it much more frequently than anyone else. Is it high variance in level of play? Yeah, a lot of players have that, and most of said players don't have Bomber's results.


To me, Bomber's Law is defined as a very talented player specifically Bomber can lose in a disappointing manner. Granted, there are a lot of players who will have a bad day and lose it all (like Jaedong). However, Bomber may have won two championships, but, as a Bomber fan, I know that he can do better. To me, he's very a smart guy, unlike mechanical players such as Innovation, with sharp mechanics. I don't mind if people can beat him out right (like when he lost against Scarlett on very close matches). However, we see more unforced errors from him, even when he recently accidentally moved his tanks to the locust swarm against the same person. For a person like him, I believe that he can do better and perhaps deserves better than how he presents himself. Perhaps, he's special because, for a guy who is getting older, he can pull off very impressive feats. Regardless, the fact of the matter is that Bomber tends to lose in a saddening manner, and I continue to believe, given his history, would continue to happen, regardless of how much the fans despise it.

Also, although SoulKey lost against Bomber in BlizzCon, I would bet my money on his consistency for safety reasons. But then, again, I guess that's what's cool about Bomber. Everyone has a legitimate reason to root for or against him.

I agree. For example, at IPL5 he showed the imo highest level of play at the tourney, when he dismantled apm master DRG in a macro game. But for what? Only to drop out against Polt in losers round 10. He deserves so much, but only gets a smaller part if it due to his inconsistency.

Edit: Although I think Bomber got this match, its time to win some more stuff!
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 05 2013 09:39 GMT
#52
Bomber's Law is outdated, now it's down to the question if Bomber is a choker or not. One could say that Soulkey is a choker, too, taking his consistent top-but-not-winning placements.
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
December 05 2013 09:42 GMT
#53
The OP is really unrealistic with his prediction. With the current state of the game it will be more a zerg rampage than anything

Soo 3- Maru 1

Soulkey 3 - Bomber 1

giving 1 point to both terrans because you know proxy rax can still win smthing.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
December 05 2013 10:05 GMT
#54
On December 05 2013 18:39 boxerfred wrote:
Bomber's Law is outdated, now it's down to the question if Bomber is a choker or not. One could say that Soulkey is a choker, too, taking his consistent top-but-not-winning placements.


I wouldn't call Soulkey a choker (remember his first GSL win when he came back from 0-3?). The times he was beaten were arguably times when he was not at his best or when the opponent has completely dismantled his play style.
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 05 2013 10:10 GMT
#55
On December 05 2013 19:05 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 18:39 boxerfred wrote:
Bomber's Law is outdated, now it's down to the question if Bomber is a choker or not. One could say that Soulkey is a choker, too, taking his consistent top-but-not-winning placements.


I wouldn't call Soulkey a choker (remember his first GSL win when he came back from 0-3?). The times he was beaten were arguably times when he was not at his best or when the opponent has completely dismantled his play style.

that was more a bogus choke than anything haha
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ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
December 05 2013 10:38 GMT
#56
Neural parasite inc
Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
Telon Petrides
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada58 Posts
December 05 2013 10:44 GMT
#57
Maruuuuu! Mech! 1-0
Telon Petrides
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada58 Posts
December 05 2013 10:46 GMT
#58
Ha ha, Maru 11/11 rax whirlwind.
Telon Petrides
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada58 Posts
December 05 2013 10:49 GMT
#59
Maru 2-0!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 05 2013 10:55 GMT
#60
On December 05 2013 19:49 Telon Petrides wrote:
Maru 2-0!


try this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=437342 ;o
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