EPTSC2 is a semi-F2P - good or bad? - Page 3
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 11 2013 03:47 StatixEx wrote: for real? sc2 costs the same price as any other game(less actually) and people bought COD, GTA, BF4 in the last few weeks? Am i the only one here who cant see the point of starter edition? its an SC2 demo? who exactly is this aimed at? if you have sc2 . . .then most of your friends probably do as they were the ones that got you into it? Im failing to see the point of this whole thing, someone please explain? Now everybody can download sc2 and just play acrade for example. There are tons of good games there, you dont have to play a "real" rts mode there and you still can have fun. blizzard should promote arcade now, i think that could help sc2 overall. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3053 Posts
On a more serious note, I think it's more a case of "nothing to lose". If people are not buying SC2 so much nowadays, at least now the more "casual" people, who are not interested in 1v1 ladder, will have a chance to play with friends and not on Xel'Naga Caverns or Shattered Temple. If it gets more people into the game, I don't think that it is a bad thing. For those of us who used to only watch SC2, it's amazing to finally be able to play other race and arcade maps. More importantly for most of us who ladder all the time, it won't break the ladder system with insane numbers of smurfs and maphackers. For those who like the arcade, it's more people in arcade (hopefully who don't spoil games) which can't be awful. UMS may take off when it is free to play, just like when people used to pirate WC3 and SC:BW or play on Garena (and other programs). It's good to expand the game, and maybe will boost the sales of LotV when it comes out? idk | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
Free version can only play wings of liberty multi! You need to add this to your post, OP | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
METHODS TO GET NEW PLAYERS IN THE GAME: What is currently wrong with the game: Declining player base that consists of people getting bored of the game and/or moving to other games such as MOBAs Dota 2 and LoL. The Fix: This is one area where the in-game points system will help. Currently there is the SC2 starter edition which is free. I would like the following things to be added to the SC2 starter edition: -Levels -All races unlocked -Clans -Custom games -The ability to use the FULLY FEATURED map editor (more maps = better for the community) -Voice chat -Chat channels -Unranked ladder (gives in-game points) -All news-related information (strategies, tournaments, headlines etc) Advertisements for SC2 Starter Edition: Blizzard can make additional cash by accepting advertisements from different companies and rotating them in a rectangular area throughout the top portion of the screen. Other potential areas for advertisement: -Loading screen for games -In the actual game itself (Note that advertisements would only be enabled in the Starter Edition and by purchasing the game would be removable) I propose to allow the following to be enabled by using in-game points: -Ranked ladder (enabled for X games) While keeping certain things like tournaments off limit to these players. This would give them the social features of the game and the ability to work their way to getting part of the full game temporarily. What I hope this would do is give them enough information to truly decide if they would like to purchase the game or not. Also, Wings of Liberty should become FREE TO DOWNLOAD (thanks JBangin for the suggestion!). Blizzard is most likely not making much on the original game any longer, so this would give new players the option of trying out Starcraft 2 with all of the original game's features for free, or trying out the Starter Edition with everything until HotS included, with limited features. By in-game points system, this is what I mean: POINTS: What is currently wrong with the game: It seems that the game sales by themselves are not giving Blizzard enough incentive to implement all of the features that we want, and with a polish that the game deserves. I propose a microtransaction system to generate more money for them from the game. The Fix: In order to implement a microtransaction system, a points system should be implemented to reward people who play the game more to be able to purchase things for free using points they earn in the game. An alternative to spending money in-game for many of the new game additions, the use of in-game points will reward players who play the game more. This is similar to League of Legend’s Influence Points. -Gained through laddering (including unranked ladder games), playing in Blizzard tournaments, through more people observing in-game laddering, achievements, and also through purchasing with real money By allowing people to gain points through playing unranked ladder, they can effectively participate in a microtransaction system by using in-game points (or cash) to purchase such things as skins, items & UI modifications, making a sort of F2P system has LoL has because of the zero cost of the SC2 Starter Edition. | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
On November 11 2013 03:53 larse wrote: Op are you factually wrong. Free version can only play wings of liberty multi! You need to add this to your post, OP I know SE players can CURRENTLY play HotS with others that have HotS... and WoL players (or those that don't own HotS) can also play HotS with those that have it... I also don't see how this is in any way bad. I think the biggest problem - at least from my perspective - is keeping people playing. I have a lot of friends that all own HotS, they just seldom play. This still doesn't do anything to address that. | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
On November 11 2013 03:53 larse wrote: Op are you factually wrong. Free version can only play wings of liberty multi! You need to add this to your post, OP Specially for you I've created new account to check what Starter Edition provides. Here are screenshots of Heart of the Swarm Starter Edition ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7n0LMep.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/40pNO4N.jpg) | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
The majority of the people who would be interested in playing sc2 if it were f2p don't even know that there is a starter edition. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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MaxQT
69 Posts
On November 11 2013 03:54 dgwow wrote: Overall, I like the changes they have made to the SC2 Starter Edition. Here's a post from an article titled "A Guide to Fixing Starcraft 2 for LotV" that I wrote that applies to the SC2 Starter Edition rhat holds my thoughts about what Blizzard could do with it to help the scene. METHODS TO GET NEW PLAYERS IN THE GAME: What is currently wrong with the game: Declining player base that consists of people getting bored of the game and/or moving to other games such as MOBAs Dota 2 and LoL. The Fix: This is one area where the in-game points system will help. Currently there is the SC2 starter edition which is free. I would like the following things to be added to the SC2 starter edition: -Levels -All races unlocked -Clans -Custom games -The ability to use the FULLY FEATURED map editor (more maps = better for the community) -Voice chat -Chat channels -Unranked ladder (gives in-game points) -All news-related information (strategies, tournaments, headlines etc) Advertisements for SC2 Starter Edition: Blizzard can make additional cash by accepting advertisements from different companies and rotating them in a rectangular area throughout the top portion of the screen. Other potential areas for advertisement: -Loading screen for games -In the actual game itself (Note that advertisements would only be enabled in the Starter Edition and by purchasing the game would be removable) I propose to allow the following to be enabled by using in-game points: -Ranked ladder (enabled for X games) While keeping certain things like tournaments off limit to these players. This would give them the social features of the game and the ability to work their way to getting part of the full game temporarily. What I hope this would do is give them enough information to truly decide if they would like to purchase the game or not. Also, Wings of Liberty should become FREE TO DOWNLOAD (thanks JBangin for the suggestion!). Blizzard is most likely not making much on the original game any longer, so this would give new players the option of trying out Starcraft 2 with all of the original game's features for free, or trying out the Starter Edition with everything until HotS included, with limited features. By in-game points system, this is what I mean: POINTS: What is currently wrong with the game: It seems that the game sales by themselves are not giving Blizzard enough incentive to implement all of the features that we want, and with a polish that the game deserves. I propose a microtransaction system to generate more money for them from the game. The Fix: In order to implement a microtransaction system, a points system should be implemented to reward people who play the game more to be able to purchase things for free using points they earn in the game. An alternative to spending money in-game for many of the new game additions, the use of in-game points will reward players who play the game more. This is similar to League of Legend’s Influence Points. -Gained through laddering (including unranked ladder games), playing in Blizzard tournaments, through more people observing in-game laddering, achievements, and also through purchasing with real money By allowing people to gain points through playing unranked ladder, they can effectively participate in a microtransaction system by using in-game points (or cash) to purchase such things as skins, items & UI modifications, making a sort of F2P system has LoL has because of the zero cost of the SC2 Starter Edition. all i can say is that i'm glad that you will never work at blizzard because honestly these suggestions are plain horrible | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
I have explained in 1st post. Looks like now you can install StarCraft 2 in many PCs and do a tournament with just Starter Edition. Create custom game, choose your race and fight! There is no 1v1 ladder, but you still can train against AI and your friends. Just have Internet-connection, thats all you need now. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On November 10 2013 22:29 Liquid`Jinro wrote: So, as soon as there's a decent way to make a non-blizzard ladder/match making system for SC2, we might see the Chinese sc2 scene take off ~_~ Didn't SCBW or FRB have a ladder that kept track of your account across games? Matchmaking will be hard, but you now have access to all the things you got on ICCUP on the starter edition. | ||
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
Therefore having more people play in the arcade can only be good, as some of them might want to explore a couple of alternative maps so it becomes possible for others to do the same. I am tired of having to wait insanely long in a lobby if you find a slightly obscure map because 4/5 people don't even know the 'Open games' tab exist. | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
On November 11 2013 04:40 MaxQT wrote: all i can say is that i'm glad that you will never work at blizzard because honestly these suggestions are plain horrible What's bad about it? Blizzard is a business, they need to be making good profits in order for the higher ups to provide them with more manpower to help with the game. If they make the game better, it is worth small microtransactions that don't affect the game, as well as advertisements (in the free version only, mind you). | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
On November 11 2013 03:49 The_Red_Viper wrote: Now everybody can download sc2 and just play acrade for example. There are tons of good games there, you dont have to play a "real" rts mode there and you still can have fun. blizzard should promote arcade now, i think that could help sc2 overall. oh yeah, see i never play the arcade, and that editor is fucking awsome | ||
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Nerevar
547 Posts
1v1 should be kept cleaner by requiring a copy. With spawning, Starter Edition players would at least be forced to socialize and group up with other full version players to do team game ladders, which might make chat channels more lively or encourage playing with real life friends more. | ||
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metroid composite
Canada231 Posts
Maphacks aren't really an issue, because you have full map vision regardless in Starjeweled, but there really wasn't an upswing in other kinds of cheating either. What we did see was a lot more lag from people with less powerful computers, and a lot more people who spoke only Spanish (whom we believed to be connecting from Mexico). | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
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larse
1611 Posts
On November 11 2013 04:24 Existor wrote: Specially for you I've created new account to check what Starter Edition provides. Here are screenshots of Heart of the Swarm Starter Edition OK Sorry. This really means SC2 is kinda F2P now. LotV will be even more F2P. | ||
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