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Boxer steps down as SKT head coach, replaced by iloveoov -…

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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1710 Posts
September 27 2013 00:53 GMT
#181
What?!? And i was so excited to see them as skt head coaches sad day again... no best, no s2, no bisu, no boxer

Get well, the emperor...
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
fireforce7
Profile Joined June 2010
United States334 Posts
September 27 2013 04:36 GMT
#182
dangit...just when i thought the team was going to be reunited! =/.
I'm terranfying
Soohyung
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)116 Posts
September 27 2013 06:41 GMT
#183
Quite sad to see him go, I've always been cheering for him. Didn't think iloveoov coming back to SKT would mean Boxer stepping down. ;~;
이지은
Hassan_RO
Profile Joined May 2012
Romania77 Posts
September 27 2013 07:40 GMT
#184
NOOOOOOOOOOO BOXEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
Hope his health is OK.

Regarding his results as coach, i can't help but recognize a pattern i've seen a lot in another beloved sport, football
(at least here in Europe)
A lot of footballing legends who were amazing players of world caliber become dissapointingly bad coaches,
but everyone still has extremely high expectations of them because of the results they had as a player.
In my home Romania, Hagi is like that, but i think there are examples in every country
But, on the flipside you have guys like Mourinho or Rafa Benitez who never played top football but make amazing coaches.

Coming back to SC2, it was obvious that when you take Boxer away from the keyboard and mouse and you try to
make him coordinate people or do any kind of management, you're asking for trouble.
Slayers was a prime example of this. It was my favorite team in Korea because of Boxer, but after i saw the reports here that actually Jessica is running everything (player contracts, team statements, down to even tieing Boxer's shoes !!?!), and especially after he left his own-created and sponsored team to become T1 coach, i started to realize that he's more like a leaf in the wind, not a strong manager or coach/leader by any sorts. An amazing, world-dominating player...but that was it.
T1's results speak for themselves from this point of view, and i don't know if Oov can mend things. Coming back from military service with a heightened sense of discipline, he might be able to wip the team into shape, or he might just be another awesome player turned mediocre coach. We have to wait and see.

Hope you get well Boxer, you will always be in our hearts! But, stop trying to be something you're not.
"Long live the EMPEROR" Lim Yo Hwan!
elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
September 27 2013 08:23 GMT
#185
iloveoov ftw! remember when he was highest ranked on game-i (iirc?) while playing random!

one of the best ever
humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
September 27 2013 08:57 GMT
#186
Why should we be sad? He probably wants this change himself, as he has hinted too in earlier interviews. He can probably do amazing work for SKT1 if he has less responsibility. Like builds and tactics for a few select players.

I am a little worried about his health and what he wants to do, but we will probably find out soon enough.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
September 27 2013 09:02 GMT
#187
On September 27 2013 13:36 fireforce7 wrote:
dangit...just when i thought the team was going to be reunited! =/.

It doesn't say he's leaving the team, just that he's not going to be the "head coach" anymore. Which is something he never really wanted to do anyway.

He'll probably end up being the Terran coach.
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theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 10:19:04
September 27 2013 10:15 GMT
#188
kind of hard to tell what oov's gonna bring to the table that boxer couldn't. i tend to think that skt's placing last season was more due to the players rather than the coach. we'll see though

edit: i do hope oov can do a better job at developing fantasy.
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
September 27 2013 11:41 GMT
#189
I hope Boxer doesn't leave esports entirely
"terrible, terrible damage". terrible, terrible design.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
September 27 2013 14:40 GMT
#190
I never see e-sports mentioned in the news here but Boxer leaving e-sports is currently the most read article on a finnish internet newspaper that I read. It's probably a lot due to the headline mentioning how much money he has made from playing a video game.

I'm not translating this very short article since it contains nothing more than some well known Boxer facts and uses kotaku article as source for the leaving e-sports part.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
October 02 2013 01:59 GMT
#191
I just realized something. As of today there have been 3 SKT interviews after Boxer left, they consist of Fantasy, Parting, Soo. But not a single one of them expressed any gratitude towards the legendary Boxer, not even Fantasy! And what's more, 2 of the interviews even claimed that "the atmosphere has improved since Oov's return".

Exactly what happened with Boxer and SKT?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
October 02 2013 02:02 GMT
#192
On October 02 2013 10:59 forumtext wrote:
I just realized something. As of today there have been 3 SKT interviews after Boxer left, they consist of Fantasy, Parting, Soo. But not a single one of them expressed any gratitude towards the legendary Boxer, not even Fantasy! And what's more, 2 of the interviews even claimed that "the atmosphere has improved since Oov's return".

Exactly what happened with Boxer and SKT?


I don't find that hard to believe in Fantasy's case since BoxeR was in Ace and guess who coached Fantasy back then? The Gorilla Terran himself.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
October 02 2013 02:07 GMT
#193
On October 02 2013 10:59 forumtext wrote:
I just realized something. As of today there have been 3 SKT interviews after Boxer left, they consist of Fantasy, Parting, Soo. But not a single one of them expressed any gratitude towards the legendary Boxer, not even Fantasy! And what's more, 2 of the interviews even claimed that "the atmosphere has improved since Oov's return".

Exactly what happened with Boxer and SKT?


Bisu talked about Boxer when in today's interview. He said Boxer left right after him, so maybe his retirement has affected Boxer.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
October 02 2013 02:30 GMT
#194
On October 02 2013 11:02 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 10:59 forumtext wrote:
I just realized something. As of today there have been 3 SKT interviews after Boxer left, they consist of Fantasy, Parting, Soo. But not a single one of them expressed any gratitude towards the legendary Boxer, not even Fantasy! And what's more, 2 of the interviews even claimed that "the atmosphere has improved since Oov's return".

Exactly what happened with Boxer and SKT?


I don't find that hard to believe in Fantasy's case since BoxeR was in Ace and guess who coached Fantasy back then? The Gorilla Terran himself.


But Boxer coached Oov, so that make Boxer his Grandmaster? With the whole "respect your elder" emphasis in Korean culture, I find this whole thing very strange.

On October 02 2013 11:07 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 10:59 forumtext wrote:
I just realized something. As of today there have been 3 SKT interviews after Boxer left, they consist of Fantasy, Parting, Soo. But not a single one of them expressed any gratitude towards the legendary Boxer, not even Fantasy! And what's more, 2 of the interviews even claimed that "the atmosphere has improved since Oov's return".

Exactly what happened with Boxer and SKT?


Bisu talked about Boxer when in today's interview. He said Boxer left right after him, so maybe his retirement has affected Boxer.


Bisu needs to stop blaming himself for everything. Boxer/SKT said it themselves, it's a health issue . Unless Bisu actually believes that his retirement has damage Boxer's health so much that he can't even do proper retirement announcement.

Also why the hell is everyone acting like nothing happened and even at times seem optimistic? If Boxer's health has deteriorated so much that he can no longer continue to do what he love, they should all be sad and say a bunch of "get well soon".
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11367 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 02:35:22
October 02 2013 02:35 GMT
#195
On October 02 2013 10:59 forumtext wrote:
I just realized something. As of today there have been 3 SKT interviews after Boxer left, they consist of Fantasy, Parting, Soo. But not a single one of them expressed any gratitude towards the legendary Boxer, not even Fantasy! And what's more, 2 of the interviews even claimed that "the atmosphere has improved since Oov's return".

Exactly what happened with Boxer and SKT?

I wouldn't read too far into that. Maybe there's something, maybe there isn't. And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. In the meantime I would refrain from interpreting ill-feelings simply based on silence.
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forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 03:34:15
October 02 2013 02:50 GMT
#196
On October 02 2013 11:35 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 10:59 forumtext wrote:
I just realized something. As of today there have been 3 SKT interviews after Boxer left, they consist of Fantasy, Parting, Soo. But not a single one of them expressed any gratitude towards the legendary Boxer, not even Fantasy! And what's more, 2 of the interviews even claimed that "the atmosphere has improved since Oov's return".

Exactly what happened with Boxer and SKT?

I wouldn't read too far into that. Maybe there's something, maybe there isn't. And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. In the meantime I would refrain from interpreting ill-feelings simply based on silence.


I want it to be a lie
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 03:03:01
October 02 2013 03:00 GMT
#197
On October 02 2013 11:30 forumtext wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 11:02 StarStruck wrote:
On October 02 2013 10:59 forumtext wrote:
I just realized something. As of today there have been 3 SKT interviews after Boxer left, they consist of Fantasy, Parting, Soo. But not a single one of them expressed any gratitude towards the legendary Boxer, not even Fantasy! And what's more, 2 of the interviews even claimed that "the atmosphere has improved since Oov's return".

Exactly what happened with Boxer and SKT?


I don't find that hard to believe in Fantasy's case since BoxeR was in Ace and guess who coached Fantasy back then? The Gorilla Terran himself.


But Boxer coached Oov, so that make Boxer his Grandmaster? With the whole "respect your elder" emphasis in Korean culture, I find this whole thing very strange.

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 11:07 larse wrote:
On October 02 2013 10:59 forumtext wrote:
I just realized something. As of today there have been 3 SKT interviews after Boxer left, they consist of Fantasy, Parting, Soo. But not a single one of them expressed any gratitude towards the legendary Boxer, not even Fantasy! And what's more, 2 of the interviews even claimed that "the atmosphere has improved since Oov's return".

Exactly what happened with Boxer and SKT?


Bisu talked about Boxer when in today's interview. He said Boxer left right after him, so maybe his retirement has affected Boxer.


Bisu needs to stop blaming himself for everything. Boxer/SKT said it themselves, it's a health issue . Unless Bisu actually believes that his retirement has damage Boxer's health so much that he can't even do proper retirement announcement.

Also why the hell is everyone acting like nothing happened and even at times seem optimistic? If Boxer's health has deteriorated so much that he can no longer continue to do what he love, they should all be sad and say a bunch of "get well soon".


Well aware of the 'elder' thing but you have to understand that Gorilla is the guy who made strides with Fantasy. Not BoxeR. He was out of the picture. No point trying to connect the dots in that case.

I'm sure he respects both, but he is definitely way more familiar with Oov. Boxer has a lot on his plate man and let him take care of his personal issues. Bisu's comments relate more to the 'respecting your elders' category. He was just being respectful and wanted to wish BoxeR all the best after retirement. It was more of a reflection. The other guys on the other hand have a job to do and cannot dwindle on anything so I'd say this shows their focus on winning and improving their game. Having a positive mindset is a great way to achieve victory. There is no time to feel sad for others. They must focus on themselves and what do you know. They're speaking a good game. As a coach this is everything I would want to hear because it would tell me their minds are in the right place to be successful.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 02 2013 03:06 GMT
#198
when oov was amateur he was already better than boxer. their playstyles are totally different so it's rather silly to say boxer is oov's teacher. yea they've exchanged ideas, but boxer isn't the coaching type.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
allmylifethereyougo
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom24 Posts
October 02 2013 03:15 GMT
#199
Not that I am speaking from a position of authority but I would take his statement about "health reasons" with a heaping pinch of salt.
hafsahomar
Profile Joined February 2025
1 Post
February 26 2025 09:11 GMT
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