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On September 14 2013 06:17 DinoToss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 06:13 Sejanus wrote:On September 14 2013 05:37 ElMeanYo wrote:It was fun watching this kid when he was winning everything. I think he was a  Flash in the pan tho. Life lost to Sjow in the last dreamhack. He lost to Snute in some tournament which name escapes me. This preview lists Grubby, Nerchio, Daishy, Snute as legit treats to Life's run. Can you remember at least a single foreigner who ever was a legit treat to Flash in Broodwar? Thought so. Don't go around comparing mortals to God so lightly. Foreigner in BW? Not saying you are wrong but besides few odds like PJ beating Savior and Draco beating Midas and such this comparison has no basis even for an average a-teamers which generally owned foreigners by default. Replace foreigner with B-teamer/low a-teamer.
Replace foreigner with Hyuk. Answer is yes.
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Canada16217 Posts
On September 14 2013 06:13 Sejanus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 05:37 ElMeanYo wrote:It was fun watching this kid when he was winning everything. I think he was a Flash in the pan tho. Life lost to Sjow in the last dreamhack. He lost to Snute in some tournament which name escapes me. This preview lists Grubby, Nerchio, Daishy, Snute as legit treats to Life's run. Can you remember at least a single foreigner who ever was a legit treat to Flash in Broodwar? Thought so. Don't go around comparing mortals to God so lightly.
Snute beat Life @ IPL 5
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On September 14 2013 06:29 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 06:17 DinoToss wrote:On September 14 2013 06:13 Sejanus wrote:On September 14 2013 05:37 ElMeanYo wrote:It was fun watching this kid when he was winning everything. I think he was a Flash in the pan tho. Life lost to Sjow in the last dreamhack. He lost to Snute in some tournament which name escapes me. This preview lists Grubby, Nerchio, Daishy, Snute as legit treats to Life's run. Can you remember at least a single foreigner who ever was a legit treat to Flash in Broodwar? Thought so. Don't go around comparing mortals to God so lightly. Foreigner in BW? Not saying you are wrong but besides few odds like PJ beating Savior and Draco beating Midas and such this comparison has no basis even for an average a-teamers which generally owned foreigners by default. Replace foreigner with B-teamer/low a-teamer. Replace foreigner with Hyuk. Answer is yes.
Not to say you are wrong but if we keep replacing enough, it may turn out Flash wasn't that special at all. I.e. replace 'broodwar' with 'sc2' 
Just kidding, I think your point makes sense.
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Life~~ HWAITING  Loved this article! Thank you for writing it!
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On September 14 2013 06:32 Sejanus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 06:29 andrewlt wrote:On September 14 2013 06:17 DinoToss wrote:On September 14 2013 06:13 Sejanus wrote:On September 14 2013 05:37 ElMeanYo wrote:It was fun watching this kid when he was winning everything. I think he was a Flash in the pan tho. Life lost to Sjow in the last dreamhack. He lost to Snute in some tournament which name escapes me. This preview lists Grubby, Nerchio, Daishy, Snute as legit treats to Life's run. Can you remember at least a single foreigner who ever was a legit treat to Flash in Broodwar? Thought so. Don't go around comparing mortals to God so lightly. Foreigner in BW? Not saying you are wrong but besides few odds like PJ beating Savior and Draco beating Midas and such this comparison has no basis even for an average a-teamers which generally owned foreigners by default. Replace foreigner with B-teamer/low a-teamer. Replace foreigner with Hyuk. Answer is yes. Not to say you are wrong but if we keep replacing enough, it may turn out Flash wasn't that special at all. I.e. replace 'broodwar' with 'sc2' Just kidding, I think your point makes sense.
Ye i was hesitant to wrote low a teamer because after i wrote it i remembered Flash got scrubbed few times ;D
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On September 14 2013 05:17 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 04:58 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
I'm not sure if Life will be able to regain his old form. I hope that he can, but I don't realistically think he can compete with the likes of Bomber, TaeJa, Flash, INnoVation, or JD. Three of which he has crazy good records against?
The last time he played Flash was in March, do those games even count anymore?
The last time he played Bomber in a major tournament was a month and a half ago. I'd say Bomber is looking WAY better than he did a month and a half ago, especially with a convincing 4-0 of JD and a 3-2 win over Scarlett, both of whom have looked better than Life has. TaeJa and JD both are great in their respective vZ matchups. Life has looked relatively mediocre (compared to other Code S zergs) and really has very few games to even base a record off. If you want to say that he has "insanely good" records against them based on a single series against each, fine. Unless Life all ins every game (which he didn't need to in WoL/early HotS) I don't see him beating any of them in a macro game, except possibly JD. The Terrans especially look much, much better than he has.
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Wtf is this Life was KNOWN for all inning most of his career.
As for his zvz, it was one of the best EVER even being above NesTea's zvz win percentage. Like anyone knows that. Now in HOTS it's much different but saying that his ZvZ had always been bad is an overstatement.
It seems like NesTea placed a curse on him. Life is Zergbong 2.0
Edit: saw that he was just talking about HOTS. My bad
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 14 2013 07:14 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 05:17 Zealously wrote:On September 14 2013 04:58 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
I'm not sure if Life will be able to regain his old form. I hope that he can, but I don't realistically think he can compete with the likes of Bomber, TaeJa, Flash, INnoVation, or JD. Three of which he has crazy good records against? The last time he played Flash was in March, do those games even count anymore? The last time he played Bomber was a month and a half ago. I'd say Bomber is looking WAY better than he did a month and a half ago, especially with a convincing 4-0 of JD and a 3-2 win over Scarlett, both of whom have looked better than Life has. TaeJa and JD both are great in their respective vZ matchups. Life has looked relatively mediocre (compared to other Code S zergs) and really has very few games to even base a record off. If you want to say that he has "insanely good" records against them based on a single series against each, fine. Unless Life all ins every game (which he didn't need to in WoL/early HotS) I don't see him beating any of them in a macro game, except possibly JD. The Terrans especially look much, much better than he has.
You can always cherry pick to make a players situation seem better or worse. Life has played Flash for example twice for a combined 6-3 record in HotS in two important tournaments. Add to this that Bomber is looking kind of mediocre in vZ and Life beating him suddenly isn't so far-fetched. And besides, Life mechanically still looks top notch. Flawed decision making yes but let's not bring in some bullshit about Life not playing well, because he absolutely is. The problem lies with bad calls.
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This time he's gonna win! I am sure!
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A good run at Dreamhack and he has the confidence to make it into Code S again. Once he does that all he needs to do is fix his ZvZ or get lucky run and before you know it, he is back in Ro8 and he will shine. Life finds a way.
My greatest wish for Dreamhack is that Life meets Jaedong in the finals and beat him.
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It feels like Life is gonna go deep this tourney.
But man, those months of ST.Life when he just won everything, I thought we had our true first SC2 Zerg bonjwa on the rise.
Hope he shines this DH!
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Its a real shame but I think it has something to do with the current balance of the game not allowing for his specific style of play at all. Like he was known for doing random attacks and just winning games specifically against terran things like ling bling timings at the right time did so well even against the best terran players but in HotS there is widow mines to stop that as well as the old faithful counters like planetaries and even tanks if they are feeling nostalgic. So yeah I think he is still one of the best players in the world but the balance currently is slightly affecting him more than anyone else.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:00 FlukyS wrote:
Its a real shame but I think it has something to do with the current balance of the game not allowing for his specific style of play at all. Like he was known for doing random attacks and just winning games specifically against terran things like ling bling timings at the right time did so well even against the best terran players but in HotS there is widow mines to stop that as well as the old faithful counters like planetaries and even tanks if they are feeling nostalgic. So yeah I think he is still one of the best players in the world but the balance currently is slightly affecting him more than anyone else.
It's not like Life was one of first progamers to show mine defusing in televised game (also, damn Last for hellbat dropping Soulkey out of MLG T_T and Inno hellbat dropping Baby out of it :D).
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Nice article. I think the thing with Life is that he is a Zerg who's style is actually just absolutely interesting to watch. I rarely if ever get excited by Zerg plays, make that of what you will, but Life's Zergling-heavy style of aggression is so much fun to look at. His micro and ferocity are amazing. I hope that he'll make a resurgence now.
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TLADT24920 Posts
He's got quite a long way to go to achieve his previous level imo. Back then, even saying that life is your opponent made you the underdog but now, so many players are at or above his level that I think his chances of winning are pretty low. I haven't seen the brackets and won't likely have time to watch so can't comment much further. Good article though.
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On September 14 2013 04:58 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
I'm not sure if Life will be able to regain his old form. I hope that he can, but I don't realistically think he can compete with the likes of Bomber, TaeJa, Flash, INnoVation, or JD.
Bomber has seen slumps way worse than Life, Taeja is hardly worth being mentionned as a top 5 player (may want to replace him with soulkey or rain), JD is only doing so well because playing outside of Korea, and is still far from GSL championship level...
Yeah, no, Life can. Innovation may be trouble, but he beat MVP when everyone thought it was impossible and listed him as best player in the world. So who know?
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On September 14 2013 08:46 Nyvis wrote:
JD is only doing so well because playing outside of Korea, and is still far from GSL championship level...
2nd place WCS America winning vs Ryung,Oz,Scarlett,Jim and
2nd place WCS S2 Finals winning vs Rain,MC,Naniwa and First.
I would say he can definitely play in WCS Korea(and do well) and he is at least top 5 zerg.
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On September 14 2013 09:07 DifuntO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 08:46 Nyvis wrote:
JD is only doing so well because playing outside of Korea, and is still far from GSL championship level...
2nd place WCS America winning vs Ryung,Oz,Scarlett,Jim and 2nd place WCS S2 Finals winning vs Rain,MC,Naniwa and First. I would say he can definitely play in WCS Korea(and do well) and he is at least top 5 zerg.
Top 5 zerg probably yeah. But life is in it too.
JD has a lot of wins against solid players, but he lacks a few wins against the very top (current top8 KR) to count as a top5 player.
Top 5 zerg, I totally agree, though, but that's a very different thing.
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On September 14 2013 08:46 Nyvis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 04:58 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
I'm not sure if Life will be able to regain his old form. I hope that he can, but I don't realistically think he can compete with the likes of Bomber, TaeJa, Flash, INnoVation, or JD. Bomber has seen slumps way worse than Life, Taeja is hardly worth being mentionned as a top 5 player (may want to replace him with soulkey or rain), JD is only doing so well because playing outside of Korea, and is still far from GSL championship level... Yeah, no, Life can. Innovation may be trouble, but he beat MVP when everyone thought it was impossible and listed him as best player in the world. So who know?
Bomber has been in slumps that are bad, but he's not in one right now. TaeJa is definitely a top 5 player, I don't know what you're smoking (and neither Rain nor Soulkey are at DH, I don't know why I'd bring them up in a conversation about DH). JD also beat Rain, MC, and First, three of the top protoss players at the moment. He also beat Scarlett who's insanely good at ZvZ.
He also beat Mvp when Mvp's wrists were basically destroyed and when Zerg was...uhhh...OP (don't want to bring up balance but it's kind of widely accepted that Zerg was strong in WoL). He narrowly beat Mvp when Mvp was seriously injured and hasn't really reached any height of that sort since then. Winning MLG was cool and all, but has he really done anything else noteworthy?
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Any reason why Bomber isn't going to Dreamhack?
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