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Acer.INnoVation - A Signing to End All Signings

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Acer.INnoVation - A Signing to End All Signings

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
September 2nd, 2013 20:41 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

The Signing to End All Signings

The implications of Acer's barely believable acquisition of INnoVation

by Fionn

Even with all the clues, blatant hints, and evidence pointing to just one answer, you really didn't believe it, did you? Acer.INnoVation?

I mean, who could blame you? The idea that the ace player of the reigning Proleague champions, the champion of the first season of WCS, and the #1~3 player on the planet (depending on who you ask) would move to a foreign team seems absurd. Maybe, just maybe, you would have thought the infamously wealthy Evil Geniuses could make it happen, given their history of major transactions. But no, INnoVation will not be wearing another blue shirt.

Instead it was team Acer—a team that quietly built itself from a mid-tier foreigner team into an elite StarCraft 2 organization over a year—that pulled off the biggest coup in StarCraft 2 history. Two straight years of Team Liquid and Evil Geniuses playing transfer market chess, making moves to acquire one championship caliber piece after the other, have been interrupted by Acer kicking down the door and flipping over the table.

There had been other signings that briefly distracted fans from the EG-TL's domination of the foreign scene,such as SK's acquisition of MC or Mousesports swooping in to pick up the Duran brothers. While those moves failed to change the status quo, Acer's blockbuster signing of INnoVation has made them the third giant of the foreign scene, both inside and outside Korea.


Even before signing INnoVation, Acer had already made several steps toward becoming a serious player in the foreign scene. Their acquisition of the up-and-coming Scarlett in June of 2012 proved to be a great investment indeed, with the camera-shy Canadian going from being the 2012 champion of the Americas to becoming one of the top two foreigners in the entire post-Stephano world of 2013. Compared to EG's signing of Suppy or Liquid's signing of Snute at around the same time, it only takes a glance to see that Acer has come out the best so far.

Building upon their acquisition of Scarlett, Acer turned its eye toward Korea by signing the former multiple-time GSL champion, MMA, and two-time GSTL winning coach Cella in November of 2012. While the signings were overshadowed by the SlayerS drama and MMA's poor form at the time, it was an opportunistic move that foreshadowed Acer's willingness to spend big should a desirable Korean player come out on the market.

The MMA signing might not be working out quite as well as the one with Scarlett, but he has certainly improved since joining Acer and looks to be on the right track. He may never recover his 2011 form again, but he was still the final Terran standing during a WCS Europe season that was dominated by Protoss, and he was able to make the WCS Season Finals. With a large foreign fan base from his championship days in 2011 and what looks to be a regular spot in the WCS Europe title picture, Acer can be happy with MMA even if he's not the super-ace they hoped he might be. Of course, that's not even an issue anymore.

******

So, about that (T)INnoVation signing.

A lot of people are screaming "WHY, INNOVATION!? WHY? WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE KESPA FOR A FOREIGN TEAM!?"

But in the present state of the StarCraft 2 scene, the real question is why wouldn't INnoVation leave KeSPA?

With STX Soul disbanding, the 'normal' path Innovation could have taken was to be posted (auctioned) to the other KeSPA teams alongside his teammates, worked out a contract with the highest bidder, and continue his career with some minor changes in scenery. Despite the rumored budgetary cuts on KeSPA teams INnoVation would still command a high salary as the ace player of a championship team, probably higher than what Acer could have offered him in guaranteed salary.

But if you think about it carefully, Acer offers more value to INnoVation even if they don't match KeSPA wages.

Remember that time INnoVation won the Korean qualifier for IEM Shanghai, earned himself a fully paid trip to China, and then couldn't go because his team was playing Proleague that weekend? Revival ended up winning that tournament, taking home the first place prize of $10,000. Revival. I'm going to leave it to you to imagine what would have happened if INnoVation played Revival.

With his move to Acer, he can and will more than likely compete in as many foreign tournaments as possible. If you look at the kind of prize money players like TaeJa, HerO, or even PuMa have made by being on well-backed foreign teams, you can tell that being on a top player on a foreign team is just as lucrative as being a KeSPA star.

"Oh, Dreamhack this weekend? I've always wanted a giant, star-shaped, glass trophy. There's a few thousand bucks for winning RSL? And I can play it entirely online, sitting at home? Thanks, here's my bank information."

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Will INnoVation's skills prove to be more lasting than MLG and STX?
Also, you can't underestimate the value of WCS region flexibility. While Innovation is virtually assured a place at this year's Blizzcon finals after his great performances in WCS Season 1, he already had a taste of how hard it is to stay on top of the scene after in a 0 - 4 upset against Maru this season's WCS KR semi-finals. While his pride and skill level might warrant him picking Korea again in the 2014 season of WCS, it's never too soon to start thinking about what if's.

What if he has an extremely unlucky run next season and finds himself in Code A/Challenger League to start 2014? What if leaving the KeSPA environment is a detriment to his skill (more on that below) and he discovers that he's less dominant a player? He can't just let the that $20,000 Premier League first place prize go. With Acer opening up a team house in Germany, he could go over, chill with MMA and Cella, and play in the weakest WCS Europe region. And if he wanted to play in WCS America instead for whatever reason, I'm sure Acer would have no problem sending him for the live portion of the tournament.

And finally, instead of living in a strict, Proleague-centered system that limits his options, he can now live a free lifestyle that lets him practice and compete as he chooses. Like most Korean pros, INnoVation declined to talk about the financial incentives, but he did make it very explicit that the free practice environment of the Axiom-Acer house played a big part in his decision. INnoVation said that his skill level improved the most when STX Soul switched to a less strict training environment, and he can expect the same at the Axiom-Acer house. However, you never really know how a player will adapt to a specific environment, until you see it play out.

******

Two years ago, you could have made the argument that Innovation was making a gigantic mistake. Back then, GSL was holding almost a dozen tournaments a year, with $50,000 going to the winner. Now, if you win WCS Korea—the toughest out of the three regions—you make the same amount of money as the person who won WCS America or Europe. Back then, American tournaments like IPL and MLG were willing to lavish top Koreans with flights and hotels to have them at their events. Now, only a select few Koreans on foreign teams have the privilege of competing in international tournaments.

While this is a great move for both Acer and Innovation, Innovation must still deliver. Unlike Jaedong or MC, Innovation is not a player that gets by on personality or legacy. His 'niche,' so to speak, is being the best player in the world. If his aura of being an unstoppable, unfeeling, killing-machine is dispelled, he becomes generic Korean Terran #251. Wherever he plays in 2014, Innovation is a player that needs to win tournaments to be interesting.

However this plays out in the end, Acer will have made itself known to the rest of the world. Not just to Evil Geniuses and Team Liquid for butting into their two-man game, but to the proud organization known as KeSPA that must now live with the fact that their best players are more than happy to leave them. With contracts ending and players considering their future, KeSPA must seriously rethink their position in the SC2 world.

Writer: Fionn.
Photos: Team Acer, Silverfire
Editors: CosmicSpiral, monk, and Waxangel.
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Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
September 02 2013 20:49 GMT
#2
Nice read! I have to admit I was honestly surprised when it was first announced/suggested, but now it does start to make more sense. I wish him and Acer all the best and I'm excited to see where it'll go from here!
Cute
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 02 2013 20:49 GMT
#3
That MLG picture must be new
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P_e_X
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany43 Posts
September 02 2013 20:50 GMT
#4
ohhh damn... fionn i love your writing <3
awwwww shiiiiieeet :3
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
September 02 2013 20:51 GMT
#5
Excellent read. Thank you.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
September 02 2013 20:52 GMT
#6
That was very well written. I opened the thread thinking it would be another q.q end-of-the-world post and was happily surprised. However, doesn't the article miss the fact that Innovation's form recently is a bit shaky? Maybe it's just one of the usual things that happen to players as months pass and he will rebound, but it does seem like an important part of the Innovation story.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 02 2013 20:53 GMT
#7
All I got from the article is that you don't have enough faith in revival fionn. He is top three on EG you should trust in him more.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 02 2013 20:54 GMT
#8
On September 03 2013 05:49 Zealously wrote:
That MLG picture must be new


It is a nice pic.

RIP blue puffy jacket T_T
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25249 Posts
September 02 2013 20:54 GMT
#9
Quality article Fionn, I eagerly await this mooted 10k word one of yours!
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 02 2013 20:56 GMT
#10
On September 03 2013 05:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
Quality article Fionn, I eagerly await this mooted 10k word one of yours!


Never stop nagging him about it
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SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France897 Posts
September 02 2013 20:56 GMT
#11
Good write up! This is a good sum up of this transfer. Just hope innovation will get along with all his teammates and vice versa. GL to both :D!
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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
September 02 2013 20:56 GMT
#12
That was a very nice read and I agree with your points.
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dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
September 02 2013 20:57 GMT
#13
Scarlets ZvT is going to be mosntrous now........ Oh dear god
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DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
September 02 2013 20:57 GMT
#14
Will this have any impact on his level of play? I don't think so but we'll see.
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
September 02 2013 20:57 GMT
#15
good read
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 02 2013 20:58 GMT
#16
On September 03 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 05:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
Quality article Fionn, I eagerly await this mooted 10k word one of yours!


Never stop nagging him about it

You need to assert yourself as the alpha writer, start hyping an 11k word article.
Glorious SEA doto
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 02 2013 20:59 GMT
#17
On September 03 2013 05:58 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 05:56 Zealously wrote:
On September 03 2013 05:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
Quality article Fionn, I eagerly await this mooted 10k word one of yours!


Never stop nagging him about it

You need to assert yourself as the alpha writer, start hyping an 11k word article.


Dude I'm on a 15k one
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 02 2013 21:00 GMT
#18
I'm pretty sure he said It's 50k words guys.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
September 02 2013 21:01 GMT
#19
The raft of computer monitor sponsors that have been pouring into e-sports over the past few years is really nice. Team Acer, like the billion little tourneys with other monitor company's labels (this being an Acer thread, I'll be polite), is one of the highlights of that charge.

Also, I like most of their players! Acer fighting!
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Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
September 02 2013 21:02 GMT
#20
On September 03 2013 06:00 Dodgin wrote:
I'm pretty sure he said It's 50k words guys.


Pretty sure the 10k was actually 10m, but then he ran out of words in the dictionary so he had to invent a few of his own to finish writing it.
Cute
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 02 2013 21:02 GMT
#21
On September 03 2013 06:00 Dodgin wrote:
I'm pretty sure he said It's 50k words guys.


Sorry typo, mine's 150k
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Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
September 02 2013 21:03 GMT
#22
Nice read, thanks!

What was the 10k (or however many it was) word article supposed to even be about again? I can't even remember anymore.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 02 2013 21:04 GMT
#23
On September 03 2013 06:03 Gorlin wrote:
Nice read, thanks!

What was the 10k (or however many it was) word article supposed to even be about again? I can't even remember anymore.

I don't think he ever specified but I believe it's about GSL champions I remember his teaser being a gif of the GSL champs.
Glorious SEA doto
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 21:06:03
September 02 2013 21:05 GMT
#24
On September 03 2013 06:03 Gorlin wrote:
Nice read, thanks!

What was the 10k (or however many it was) word article supposed to even be about again? I can't even remember anymore.


It's about the GSL. The champions of each season, which season was the best, etc.

Code S actually died before it was released, how sad.
Olferen
Profile Joined March 2013
United States39 Posts
September 02 2013 21:05 GMT
#25
I think his mechanics alone are what make him so interesting, at least in my opinion. Watching his replays gives me a head-ache, he's so fast and efficient T_T

Anyways, gl hf INnoVation
Dancing with myself oh oh oh.
oberkapo
Profile Joined July 2012
United States41 Posts
September 02 2013 21:05 GMT
#26
Great read. Really puts everything into perspective, and summarizes it pretty well.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 21:05:50
September 02 2013 21:05 GMT
#27
On September 03 2013 06:03 Gorlin wrote:
Nice read, thanks!

What was the 10k (or however many it was) word article supposed to even be about again? I can't even remember anymore.


It's a GSL writeup, but you should PM Fionn about that

make sure to do that, actually

several times pref
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Marcinko
Profile Joined May 2013
South Africa1014 Posts
September 02 2013 21:10 GMT
#28
Thank you for the outstanding article, Fionn. Highlights a few points I did not consider.

Now the question in on the table, how much will Scarletts ZvT improve?
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
September 02 2013 21:13 GMT
#29
Much as I am looking forward to one day reading the coveted great article of Fionn, I really hope there's a big Stephano write up sometime this year. Maybe even a final edit.

Anyways back on track, this was a solid article, gets me even more hyped for the days and weeks to come.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
soiii
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany266 Posts
September 02 2013 21:14 GMT
#30
That article was very nicely written. Great read.
Kommatiazo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States579 Posts
September 02 2013 21:14 GMT
#31
Fionn this article kicks ass. Way to go.

What you wrote about Innovation's niche being the best player in the world is so true. I really hope that one of the biggest gains Innovation sees in his move to Acer is a jump in his opportunity to make himself an image to combat that unfeeling, silent-but-deadly terminator we know now. It would be such a bummer if Acer had Scarlett and Innovation always competing for most awkward interviews at events. The scene needs them to break out and be personalities.

All I want is Innovation to tell us all a joke. On stream, in an interview, something.
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TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
September 02 2013 21:18 GMT
#32
A very thought provoking article, well done TL!
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 02 2013 21:21 GMT
#33
if you want the 10k article, ask wax to edit and implement the graphics and shit.

or pay me $5,000 to do it.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 02 2013 21:24 GMT
#34
On September 03 2013 06:21 Fionn wrote:
if you want the 10k article, ask wax to edit and implement the graphics and shit.

or pay me $5,000 to do it.


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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 02 2013 21:26 GMT
#35
This is great. I hope the best for Acer!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 02 2013 21:26 GMT
#36
On September 03 2013 06:21 Fionn wrote:
if you want the 10k article, ask wax to edit and implement the graphics and shit.

or pay me $5,000 to do it.

Well if I flew to Texas and Korea and procured some scandalous images of polt and flame would we have a deal.
Glorious SEA doto
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
September 02 2013 21:29 GMT
#37
Great article !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
September 02 2013 21:34 GMT
#38
"Oh, Dreamhack this weekend? I've always wanted a giant, star-shaped, glass trophy. There's a few thousand bucks for winning RSL? And I can play it entirely online, sitting at home? Thanks, here's my bank information."
lmao :D
good write-up <3
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 02 2013 21:47 GMT
#39
Good stuff, and I do hope that he will come play on Team EU. Damn AM is starting to make us look bad.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 02 2013 21:52 GMT
#40
yo, revival is pretty good, I think your suggestion that revival holding his own against innovation was a little rude. would anyone put him as the favorite? no way. but is revival damn good? yeah
Laszx
Profile Joined May 2013
Belgium24 Posts
September 02 2013 21:55 GMT
#41
Great read, thanks!
Buddy168
Profile Joined June 2012
United States157 Posts
September 02 2013 21:57 GMT
#42
"Oh, Dreamhack this weekend? I've always wanted a giant, star-shaped, glass trophy. There's a few thousand bucks for winning RSL? And I can play it entirely online, sitting at home? Thanks, here's my bank information."

Made my day.
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VanSCPurge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States169 Posts
September 02 2013 21:57 GMT
#43
Revival ended up winning that tournament, taking home the first place prize of $10,000. Revival. I'm going to leave it to you to imagine what would have happened if INnoVation played Revival.



To be fair, if you see Revival stream, he is absurdly good in his own right. Sure INoVation would have most likely won, but maybe not super one-sidedly. (Considering Revival DID take out Polt in that same tournament)
"Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -S. Holmes
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
September 02 2013 21:57 GMT
#44
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
September 02 2013 22:05 GMT
#45
On September 03 2013 06:57 VanSCPurge wrote:
Show nested quote +
Revival ended up winning that tournament, taking home the first place prize of $10,000. Revival. I'm going to leave it to you to imagine what would have happened if INnoVation played Revival.



To be fair, if you see Revival stream, he is absurdly good in his own right. Sure INoVation would have most likely won, but maybe not super one-sidedly. (Considering Revival DID take out Polt in that same tournament)


99% sure Innovation vs Revival would be one-sided
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 02 2013 22:06 GMT
#46
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.
plasemeious
Profile Joined November 2009
United States244 Posts
September 02 2013 22:09 GMT
#47
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

Really? What makes you believe that?
RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
September 02 2013 22:10 GMT
#48
On September 03 2013 07:09 plasemeious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

Really? What makes you believe that?

Look at the top 8 in WCS Season 2 Finals.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 02 2013 22:11 GMT
#49
On September 03 2013 07:10 RifleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:09 plasemeious wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

Really? What makes you believe that?

Look at the top 8 in WCS Season 2 Finals.


That just means AM has a few players that can compete at the very top, not that AM as a whole is better.

It's definitely not half Code S regulars in premier.
VanSCPurge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States169 Posts
September 02 2013 22:13 GMT
#50
On September 03 2013 07:05 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 06:57 VanSCPurge wrote:
Revival ended up winning that tournament, taking home the first place prize of $10,000. Revival. I'm going to leave it to you to imagine what would have happened if INnoVation played Revival.



To be fair, if you see Revival stream, he is absurdly good in his own right. Sure INoVation would have most likely won, but maybe not super one-sidedly. (Considering Revival DID take out Polt in that same tournament)


99% sure Innovation vs Revival would be one-sided



I know INoVation would have won. I feel like Revival is good enough to at least take a map though. I feel like some people maybe haven't seen him play, so it's understandable they wouldn't know that he's actually really good. (Just don't like seeing that level of disrespect of a player's skill level)

Anyway, still an amazing signing for Acer. They are gonna be SO dangerous in Team Leagues now.


"Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -S. Holmes
RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 22:15:40
September 02 2013 22:15 GMT
#51
On September 03 2013 07:11 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:10 RifleCow wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:09 plasemeious wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

Really? What makes you believe that?

Look at the top 8 in WCS Season 2 Finals.


That just means AM has a few players that can compete at the very top, not that AM as a whole is better.

It's definitely not half Code S regulars in premier.

I'm pretty sure blizzard will be changing up WCS for 2014. So we will have to wait to Blizzcon to see if they address the "koreans taking our jobs" complaints then we will know if switching regions will be so feasible.
hohoho
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
September 02 2013 22:26 GMT
#52
revival vs innovation bo9 showmatch gogogo
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 02 2013 22:30 GMT
#53
WOW! INnoVation got picked up by Acer?! When did this happen!?!?
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
September 02 2013 22:41 GMT
#54
On September 03 2013 07:13 VanSCPurge wrote:


Anyway, still an amazing signing for Acer. They are gonna be SO dangerous in Team Leagues now.



indeed. particularly in formats like the GSTL. they will be like KTFlash in winners league; with scarlett playing the role of stats.
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Nibbler89
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
884 Posts
September 02 2013 22:41 GMT
#55
That was a really exciting interview.
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
September 02 2013 22:47 GMT
#56
On September 03 2013 07:10 RifleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:09 plasemeious wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

Really? What makes you believe that?

Look at the top 8 in WCS Season 2 Finals.

America is extremely top heavy. There are 6 or 7 players that are code S level, but once you get past them, talent level drops pretty fast. Over half of NA Premiere would not be Code A in KR.

Also: "half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region'" ...?
What are you on? cause I want some.
Formerly Code S players actually in AM:
Recent: Taeja, Polt, Ryung, Nestea, Huk
Over a Year Ago: HerO, Oz, Violet, Alicia, aLive
...and thats it. The only "mainstays" there are Polt and Taeja and maybe Ryung. Thats a far cry from "half"
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LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
September 02 2013 22:48 GMT
#57
Sweet, a Fionn article. =D
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
September 02 2013 23:02 GMT
#58
Great article Fionn!

Anyone think Liquid will sign one of the now many available great players?
I know their bank account isnt as massive as EG's, but their roster has seemed pretty stretched in recent team leagues. They do only have 6 active players, and in my opinion, they have a great opportunity right now.
(this is kinda working off the assumption that Azubu,ex-Azubu and Soul players can currently be poached pretty easily)
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JP Dayne
Profile Joined June 2013
538 Posts
September 02 2013 23:07 GMT
#59
so no idea how much he'll make monthly, then?
I really doubt Acer got to get him based on helping him to compete anywhere he wants...
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 23:18:48
September 02 2013 23:18 GMT
#60
well written article. Completely agree with everything you had to say. It makes so much sense for innovation to join a foreign team.

On September 03 2013 07:26 Whatson wrote:
revival vs innovation bo9 showmatch gogogo


haha that's actually a great idea. I'd watch it.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
September 02 2013 23:19 GMT
#61
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dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
September 02 2013 23:22 GMT
#62
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.


i have to disagree. There are good players in NA no doubt, but wcs korea round of 32 is much, much harder than the wcs NA round of 32, and i would say the same holds true for the round of 16 as well.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2013 23:23 GMT
#63
On September 03 2013 08:19 Sated wrote:
This article is incredibly disrespectful towards the level of play you find at tournaments like Dreamhack. You do remember what happened at the WCS finals, right..?

He was beaten by a really good player? When has Innovation not been top tier. He would be a favorite at Dreamhack, for sure.
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dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 23:24:56
September 02 2013 23:24 GMT
#64
On September 03 2013 08:19 Sated wrote:
This article is incredibly disrespectful towards the level of play you find at tournaments like Dreamhack. You do remember what happened at the WCS finals, right..?


I do. Bomber, a terran from WCS korea, swept the WCS NA runner up.
T0F4sT
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands317 Posts
September 02 2013 23:24 GMT
#65
On September 03 2013 06:52 travis wrote:
yo, revival is pretty good, I think your suggestion that revival holding his own against innovation was a little rude. would anyone put him as the favorite? no way. but is revival damn good? yeah


That's what I was thinking also. Sure Innovation is better, but its almost saying now that revival is some trash tier player.
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tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
September 02 2013 23:25 GMT
#66
On September 03 2013 08:19 Sated wrote:
This article is incredibly disrespectful towards the level of play you find at tournaments like Dreamhack. You do remember what happened at the WCS finals, right..?

I agree. It is incredibly disrespectful and I lost all respect.

But no, it'll be interesting to see if Kespa changes at all cuz their players are going to foreign teams. Didn't they (Kespa) already allow everyone to join their league or something? They might already be more open.
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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
September 02 2013 23:25 GMT
#67
i really thought this was gonna go into what happened with his signing, like what teams were involved etc.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
September 02 2013 23:49 GMT
#68
can't wait to see what this does to scarlett's already amazing ZvT
gratz to INnoVation and Acer
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Evenshade
Profile Joined July 2013
131 Posts
September 02 2013 23:52 GMT
#69
I guess this means no more help from MMA to Soulkey :<.
MMA was very happy to see SK beating Innovation GSL finals, now they are teammates.
agsub
Profile Joined May 2012
Singapore368 Posts
September 03 2013 00:02 GMT
#70
Thanks Fionn for the great read!
VanSCPurge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States169 Posts
September 03 2013 00:33 GMT
#71
On September 03 2013 08:24 T0F4sT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 06:52 travis wrote:
yo, revival is pretty good, I think your suggestion that revival holding his own against innovation was a little rude. would anyone put him as the favorite? no way. but is revival damn good? yeah


That's what I was thinking also. Sure Innovation is better, but its almost saying now that revival is some trash tier player.






Thank you, this was my entire point in my posts as well.
"Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -S. Holmes
Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
September 03 2013 00:46 GMT
#72
On September 03 2013 08:25 tshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:19 Sated wrote:
This article is incredibly disrespectful towards the level of play you find at tournaments like Dreamhack. You do remember what happened at the WCS finals, right..?

I agree. It is incredibly disrespectful and I lost all respect.

But no, it'll be interesting to see if Kespa changes at all cuz their players are going to foreign teams. Didn't they (Kespa) already allow everyone to join their league or something? They might already be more open.


Join their league? As in SPL? No, they didn't. They allowed people to join KeSPA.

And how many players joined foreign teams as a transfer such as INnoVation? 1? Just INnoVation. I'm pretty sure there are more KeSPA players than just one. I'm pretty sure.

Also, the wording may have made it seem disrespectful, but it was just being honest.
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
September 03 2013 01:21 GMT
#73
kespa is really going to have to start sending players to foreign tournaments or this is going to be something of a common occurrence. flash ain't going anyway (except maybe to lol...), but just about anyone else might be fair game.
Walnuts
Profile Joined March 2012
United States770 Posts
September 03 2013 01:23 GMT
#74
On September 03 2013 07:47 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:10 RifleCow wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:09 plasemeious wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

Really? What makes you believe that?

Look at the top 8 in WCS Season 2 Finals.

America is extremely top heavy. There are 6 or 7 players that are code S level, but once you get past them, talent level drops pretty fast. Over half of NA Premiere would not be Code A in KR.

Also: "half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region'" ...?
What are you on? cause I want some.
Formerly Code S players actually in AM:
Recent: Taeja, Polt, Ryung, Nestea, Huk
Over a Year Ago: HerO, Oz, Violet, Alicia, aLive
...and thats it. The only "mainstays" there are Polt and Taeja and maybe Ryung. Thats a far cry from "half"

I don't think you pay much attention to Code S... "mainstay" means important to the tournament, and Hero was Ro4 and Ro8, same as Taeja, while Oz was Ro4 at one point. Even alive made Ro4.
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Walnuts
Profile Joined March 2012
United States770 Posts
September 03 2013 01:23 GMT
#75
On September 03 2013 08:25 tshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:19 Sated wrote:
This article is incredibly disrespectful towards the level of play you find at tournaments like Dreamhack. You do remember what happened at the WCS finals, right..?

I agree. It is incredibly disrespectful and I lost all respect.

But no, it'll be interesting to see if Kespa changes at all cuz their players are going to foreign teams. Didn't they (Kespa) already allow everyone to join their league or something? They might already be more open.

Isn't the best player in the world a favorite to win every tournament he enters?
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forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
September 03 2013 01:32 GMT
#76
Thanks for the article, good luck to Innovation and Acer!
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
September 03 2013 01:32 GMT
#77
Great article, but you also should pay some lip service to FXOpen, the Korean Team with a foreign backer. They bought an entire team, man.
VanSCPurge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States169 Posts
September 03 2013 01:35 GMT
#78
Also, the wording may have made it seem disrespectful, but it was just being honest.



The wording made it sound like Revival is some garbage player, which he isn't. Yes, we all know INoVation would win. No, it probably wouldn't be the roflstomp that the wording makes it sound like. That's why it is disrespectful.
"Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -S. Holmes
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
September 03 2013 01:43 GMT
#79
Great write up, thanks!
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Ahtiven
Profile Joined May 2009
Malaysia159 Posts
September 03 2013 01:45 GMT
#80
Who is the man behind Acer?
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 01:48:50
September 03 2013 01:48 GMT
#81
On September 03 2013 08:22 dutchfriese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.


i have to disagree. There are good players in NA no doubt, but wcs korea round of 32 is much, much harder than the wcs NA round of 32, and i would say the same holds true for the round of 16 as well.


Yeah I agree, NA has some good players due to Korean migration. But to say NA is as hard or harder than KR right now is absolutely absurd. Maybe if everyone else from KR started to move to NA, but until then no way in hell.
Echo Six
Profile Joined April 2013
United States30 Posts
September 03 2013 01:59 GMT
#82
So excited to see how AxA does this season in GSTL. What a pick up by Acer.
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
September 03 2013 02:04 GMT
#83
On September 03 2013 10:23 Walnuts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:47 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:10 RifleCow wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:09 plasemeious wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

Really? What makes you believe that?

Look at the top 8 in WCS Season 2 Finals.

America is extremely top heavy. There are 6 or 7 players that are code S level, but once you get past them, talent level drops pretty fast. Over half of NA Premiere would not be Code A in KR.

Also: "half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region'" ...?
What are you on? cause I want some.
Formerly Code S players actually in AM:
Recent: Taeja, Polt, Ryung, Nestea, Huk
Over a Year Ago: HerO, Oz, Violet, Alicia, aLive
...and thats it. The only "mainstays" there are Polt and Taeja and maybe Ryung. Thats a far cry from "half"

I don't think you pay much attention to Code S... "mainstay" means important to the tournament, and Hero was Ro4 and Ro8, same as Taeja, while Oz was Ro4 at one point. Even alive made Ro4.



doesn't 'mainstay' imply consistency? alive and hero had one deep run each and fell out of code s pretty quick, oz and ryung had a few code s seasons but then fell to code b. the only real consistent players listed were taeja and nestea.

note: i got my information by skimming liquipedia. if i'm wrong about these guys' history, lemme know.
:-)
antigravity
Profile Joined July 2013
29 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 02:18:33
September 03 2013 02:18 GMT
#84
How can you even compare Acer to EG or Liquid...

Acer still DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE PROTOSS!!
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 03 2013 02:22 GMT
#85
Why is this so short? I am still waiting for that promised article that will save esports
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snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
September 03 2013 02:27 GMT
#86
yayy gogo innovation!!
awesome pickup for acer ^^
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doner0
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States233 Posts
September 03 2013 02:40 GMT
#87
good for acer, hopefully he keeps it up
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
September 03 2013 02:49 GMT
#88
Really good article, Fionn's writing has become quite impressive.
Gendo
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom216 Posts
September 03 2013 03:03 GMT
#89
Wait a minute...is he smiling (kind of)?
ARze
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia45 Posts
September 03 2013 03:45 GMT
#90
sick signing, acer to continue to do amazing things!!!!
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
September 03 2013 03:45 GMT
#91
I worry for STX now
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
September 03 2013 03:49 GMT
#92
Ino playing today.
Can't wait to see hue hue hue.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 03 2013 03:51 GMT
#93
On September 03 2013 12:45 Dontkillme wrote:
I worry for STX now


I have some bad news for you...
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
September 03 2013 03:55 GMT
#94
Ha, awesome picture. Good luck Innovation and Acer.
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Rascandrius
Profile Joined June 2013
Denmark32 Posts
September 03 2013 04:12 GMT
#95
Fionn cursing our only hope of a 2014 korean terran bonjwa ... Fionn curse so strong ......
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 03 2013 04:14 GMT
#96
On September 03 2013 12:51 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 12:45 Dontkillme wrote:
I worry for STX now


I have some bad news for you...

These two posts are the best part of this thread.
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Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
September 03 2013 04:16 GMT
#97
Great write up!
Liquipedia
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 04:19:10
September 03 2013 04:16 GMT
#98
On September 03 2013 10:23 Walnuts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:47 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:10 RifleCow wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:09 plasemeious wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

Really? What makes you believe that?

Look at the top 8 in WCS Season 2 Finals.

America is extremely top heavy. There are 6 or 7 players that are code S level, but once you get past them, talent level drops pretty fast. Over half of NA Premiere would not be Code A in KR.

Also: "half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region'" ...?
What are you on? cause I want some.
Formerly Code S players actually in AM:
Recent: Taeja, Polt, Ryung, Nestea, Huk
Over a Year Ago: HerO, Oz, Violet, Alicia, aLive
...and thats it. The only "mainstays" there are Polt and Taeja and maybe Ryung. Thats a far cry from "half"

I don't think you pay much attention to Code S... "mainstay" means important to the tournament, and Hero was Ro4 and Ro8, same as Taeja, while Oz was Ro4 at one point. Even alive made Ro4.


You serious man? HerO, aLive, and Oz might have gone deep before, but if we havent seen them in Code S for over a year so they are hardly mainstays.
Mvp, Drg, Parting, Gumiho,Curious, Bomber, Life, Soulkey, Symbol, Innovation, Losira, Leenock, Squirtle, Supernova, MKP, Creator; these guys are all more "mainstay" then Hero, aLive or Oz.
Read the initial quote again: "But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region."
Yes there are a couple Code S mainstay in NA, but NOwhere near half (even if you included HerO, Oz, and aLive).
And btw I watch nearly every group of Code S, including group selection, so I know what Im talking about.
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SaltySam
Profile Joined January 2013
65 Posts
September 03 2013 04:25 GMT
#99
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.
Revival hasn't shown ZvT that is on Soulkey's level and Soulkey can't even beat Innovation at this time.

Incorrect on both counts.

WCS KR has 32 Code S level players while NA only has 9 or less.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 04:52:23
September 03 2013 04:41 GMT
#100
On September 03 2013 10:35 VanSCPurge wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also, the wording may have made it seem disrespectful, but it was just being honest.



The wording made it sound like Revival is some garbage player, which he isn't. Yes, we all know INoVation would win. No, it probably wouldn't be the roflstomp that the wording makes it sound like. That's why it is disrespectful.

Actually, Revival has shown that his TvZ is not at the level of the top KR zergs. Therefore, Innovation would roflstomp him in macro games, because that's what he does.
/debate.

I really don't get what all the fuss is about, Innovation > Revival isn't very hard to grasp logically
I mean, we are talking about the same Revival that got beat by Happy, right?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Zeroseraph
Profile Joined March 2011
United States27 Posts
September 03 2013 05:29 GMT
#101
I got to say this was a smart decision Inno made and it true that more top tier korean players should be looking for more foreign teams rather then stay in korean sc2 scene, there just so much more advantages to be gained by being in foreign teams. Better chances, more sponsors, more tournaments, streaming is more profitable out korea plus although it really isn't hugh but the chance to see different places since alot of foreign teams have gotten their team houses up and running being able to live in a new country/city should be cool to them.Plus for younger top tier players I know a few teams would help set them up going to school outside korea so it also kinda a nice incentive for those who want to play sc2 and finish school at the same time.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
September 03 2013 05:50 GMT
#102
Smart move by Innovation. With Soul disbanding and only few players finding a new home with another kespa team, pro league and kespa seem as unsafe a bet as ever. Lets see if some other stars will leave as well.
Mekare
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany393 Posts
September 03 2013 06:50 GMT
#103
Well written article! Thanks Fionn ^^
kellyjena
Profile Joined September 2013
Armenia3 Posts
September 03 2013 07:11 GMT
#104
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GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
September 03 2013 07:17 GMT
#105
Marvelous writning, very illustrative!
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
zhaodandan
Profile Joined September 2013
Angola3 Posts
September 03 2013 07:30 GMT
#106
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
September 03 2013 07:36 GMT
#107
On September 03 2013 10:35 VanSCPurge wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also, the wording may have made it seem disrespectful, but it was just being honest.



The wording made it sound like Revival is some garbage player, which he isn't. Yes, we all know INoVation would win. No, it probably wouldn't be the roflstomp that the wording makes it sound like. That's why it is disrespectful.

Why are you so mad? It was a fair point, fairly made.
MarsMJ
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany4 Posts
September 03 2013 07:40 GMT
#108
(maybe) INno playing next Homestory Cup?? Would be soooooooooo sick! first kespa sc2 player EVER attending the tournament (if i'm not mistaken). Lets see what the future brings :D
zmsFlood
Profile Joined April 2013
Finland169 Posts
September 03 2013 07:40 GMT
#109
This article... These "news"! Love it
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swtchrt
Profile Joined August 2012
France9 Posts
September 03 2013 07:52 GMT
#110
For people who are curious concerning why and how Acer signed Innovation, there's a good interview of the team manager, Kaoru, about it :
http://www.team-aaa.com/news-26611-0-1-innovation_chez_acer_kaoru_en_parle.html

It's in French but the google translation of the page is easy to understand.

It says that Innovation is the one who contacted Acer, and that he will stay in Korea, at least in 2013.
VArsovskiSC
Profile Joined July 2010
Macedonia563 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 07:59:54
September 03 2013 07:58 GMT
#111
Cella indeed has some good reputation to pick up INoVation out..

Nonetheless - great pickup by Acer.. Scarlett might go through the roof with her ZvT now with MMA and Inno as practises..

A little side-note: fear JaeDong might fall down even more now a bit..
Another world, another place, another universe, won the race.. :) ;) :P
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
September 03 2013 08:13 GMT
#112
very good read, thanks
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
September 03 2013 08:21 GMT
#113
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
September 03 2013 08:35 GMT
#114
On September 03 2013 17:21 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?

Well maybe if you're unlucky enough to get matched up against Jaedong.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
September 03 2013 08:44 GMT
#115
On September 03 2013 17:21 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?

the overall skill level ofc not but if you look at ro8 and onwards yes. You seem to have forgotten who rolled over rain in season finals. Btw referring to rsvival as some garbage player is utter bullshit. Kid won iem not long ago
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
ItanoCircus
Profile Joined January 2013
United States67 Posts
September 03 2013 08:48 GMT
#116
Well-written article that casts a bit of insight into a decision that seemed questionable. Team Acer has been doing very well for itself as of late (the past year = late?).

I think this is entirely to the benefit of Scarlett, of all people. The ZvT practice is going to be fantastic practice.
Better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth closed than to open it and remove all doubt.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 03 2013 08:51 GMT
#117
On September 03 2013 17:48 ItanoCircus wrote:
Well-written article that casts a bit of insight into a decision that seemed questionable. Team Acer has been doing very well for itself as of late (the past year = late?).

I think this is entirely to the benefit of Scarlett, of all people. The ZvT practice is going to be fantastic practice.


Scarlett with even better ZvT?

::Shudder::
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
September 03 2013 08:52 GMT
#118
Taeja hero jaedong polt ryung hyun and a couple of others are definitely code s level players.
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
September 03 2013 08:56 GMT
#119
First thing I notice about the picture, Innovation's hand on Scarlett's shoulder.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
September 03 2013 09:20 GMT
#120
On September 03 2013 17:44 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 17:21 Elroi wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?

the overall skill level ofc not but if you look at ro8 and onwards yes. You seem to have forgotten who rolled over rain in season finals. Btw referring to rsvival as some garbage player is utter bullshit. Kid won iem not long ago

that is not true. this finals the na players got far, but it was a korean player who won and the last season we had 3 players fomr wcs korea in the ro4 (sos, soulkey, innovation - i don't remember who the last guy was).
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
SaltySam
Profile Joined January 2013
65 Posts
September 03 2013 09:31 GMT
#121
On September 03 2013 17:44 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 17:21 Elroi wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?

the overall skill level ofc not but if you look at ro8 and onwards yes. You seem to have forgotten who rolled over rain in season finals. Btw referring to rsvival as some garbage player is utter bullshit. Kid won iem not long ago
I disagree. Jaedong played only protoss until being slaughtered by Bomber. None of the top protoss have good records against top Zergs. So Jaedong's run isn't as impressive as people make it out to be. Many other WCS KR terrans can play vZ as well as Bomber. Jaedong wouldn't last long in WCS KR.

Taeja can definitely get to ro8 or higher in WCS KR. However his win over Rain wasn't that amazing because of Rain's lackluster play. Compare Rain of WCS KR vs Bomber and then compare that to what Taeja faced. Big difference.

Scarlett is in the same boat as Jaedong except Protoss will be Scarlett's weak point.

aLive played great at the finals. He definitely stepped up his level for the finals. If he is consistently this good then he is definitely code s level.

WCS KR is still harder than WCS AM. The qualifiers are harder, the challenger league is harder, and etc. Rain and Maru just played terribly in comparison to WCS KR. However Maru has never been known for his TvZ, so his loss to Scarlett wass no shock to me.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 09:48:13
September 03 2013 09:45 GMT
#122
Nerchio must be raging for becoming even less important now.

Scarlett is in the same boat as Jaedong except Protoss will be Scarlett's weak point.


Wait. What was Jaedongs weak point again? Not protoss, huh?
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
September 03 2013 10:35 GMT
#123
Still can't believe it! And can't believe Acer can afford this beast =)
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia551 Posts
September 03 2013 10:39 GMT
#124
Great article, exactly my thoughts. I wish he stayed in a KeSPA team but it really makes more sense for him to join any foreign team in the current state of SC2.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
September 03 2013 10:47 GMT
#125
On September 03 2013 19:35 Cereb wrote:
Still can't believe it! And can't believe Acer can afford this beast =)


Ehm technically Acer is way richer than EG... LOL
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
September 03 2013 11:06 GMT
#126
On September 03 2013 18:31 SaltySam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 17:44 mongmong wrote:
On September 03 2013 17:21 Elroi wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?

the overall skill level ofc not but if you look at ro8 and onwards yes. You seem to have forgotten who rolled over rain in season finals. Btw referring to rsvival as some garbage player is utter bullshit. Kid won iem not long ago
I disagree. Jaedong played only protoss until being slaughtered by Bomber. None of the top protoss have good records against top Zergs. So Jaedong's run isn't as impressive as people make it out to be. Many other WCS KR terrans can play vZ as well as Bomber. Jaedong wouldn't last long in WCS KR.

Taeja can definitely get to ro8 or higher in WCS KR. However his win over Rain wasn't that amazing because of Rain's lackluster play. Compare Rain of WCS KR vs Bomber and then compare that to what Taeja faced. Big difference.

Scarlett is in the same boat as Jaedong except Protoss will be Scarlett's weak point.

aLive played great at the finals. He definitely stepped up his level for the finals. If he is consistently this good then he is definitely code s level.

WCS KR is still harder than WCS AM. The qualifiers are harder, the challenger league is harder, and etc. Rain and Maru just played terribly in comparison to WCS KR. However Maru has never been known for his TvZ, so his loss to Scarlett wass no shock to me.



On September 03 2013 18:31 SaltySam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 17:44 mongmong wrote:
On September 03 2013 17:21 Elroi wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?

the overall skill level ofc not but if you look at ro8 and onwards yes. You seem to have forgotten who rolled over rain in season finals. Btw referring to rsvival as some garbage player is utter bullshit. Kid won iem not long ago
I disagree. Jaedong played only protoss until being slaughtered by Bomber. None of the top protoss have good records against top Zergs. So Jaedong's run isn't as impressive as people make it out to be. Many other WCS KR terrans can play vZ as well as Bomber. Jaedong wouldn't last long in WCS KR.

Taeja can definitely get to ro8 or higher in WCS KR. However his win over Rain wasn't that amazing because of Rain's lackluster play. Compare Rain of WCS KR vs Bomber and then compare that to what Taeja faced. Big difference.

Scarlett is in the same boat as Jaedong except Protoss will be Scarlett's weak point.

aLive played great at the finals. He definitely stepped up his level for the finals. If he is consistently this good then he is definitely code s level.

WCS KR is still harder than WCS AM. The qualifiers are harder, the challenger league is harder, and etc. Rain and Maru just played terribly in comparison to WCS KR. However Maru has never been known for his TvZ, so his loss to Scarlett wass no shock to me.




1. Youre forgetting the fact that the only terran jaedong faced was Bomber, who had made it to ro4 in WCS KR. So basically what youre saying is that any korean terran in premier league can play as good as Bomber? So they all have Bomber's level of macro? very funny

2. Qualifiers aren't harder in WCS korea. With a lot of koreans switching to eu and am, there are currently a lot of empty slots in qualifiers so you can qualify by only winning against 2~3 opponents whereas you basically have to beat tons of opponents in eu and am qualifiers. And guess what? these players are mostly koreans as well!

3. I love how you defend WCS KR players by saying that they didn't play their best in season finals and belittle Taeja's amazing play against Rain. Go watch the series he played on Whirlwind. I have never seen any other terran who plays Ghost-Viking heavy style as perfectly as Taeja did. Sniping observers left n right, sniping high templars coming from all different angles, emping bunch of templars before engaging, constantly denying Rain's 4th base by nuking, reparing vikings while defending zealot harassment. Name 3 players who can pull this shit, you cant because there arent any. Its a type of play only Taeja can do.
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
upreal
Profile Joined September 2011
15 Posts
September 03 2013 11:07 GMT
#127
Well he just allkilled FXO ... gg no re
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
September 03 2013 11:08 GMT
#128
took out each race too, in bogus we trust.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
September 03 2013 11:30 GMT
#129
On September 03 2013 18:20 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 17:44 mongmong wrote:
On September 03 2013 17:21 Elroi wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?

the overall skill level ofc not but if you look at ro8 and onwards yes. You seem to have forgotten who rolled over rain in season finals. Btw referring to rsvival as some garbage player is utter bullshit. Kid won iem not long ago

that is not true. this finals the na players got far, but it was a korean player who won and the last season we had 3 players fomr wcs korea in the ro4 (sos, soulkey, innovation - i don't remember who the last guy was).


What blasphemy is this to not remember that it was Mvp?

Anyways yeah, even at the top even KR is better. Last two season final winners were KR as well.
MilkRain
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1 Post
September 03 2013 11:41 GMT
#130
Was I the only one that felt like there was a fair bit of arrogance to this post? As the saying goes - "Pride comes before fall", so for Acer's and Innovation's sake I hope they can live up to all hype they have promised here. Following Innovation's exit from WCS I couldn't help but wonder if he's one of those players that doesn't handle the stress of travelling as well as others?

More than anything I hope that Innovation on team Acer might have a positive influence on MMA, which to my surprise was not mentioned in this article.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Scarlett taking a break for a while? So doesn't that Innovation at least in some part is there to fill the void that Scarlett will leave behind?

Anyhow, Good luck and Congrats to both Acer and Innovation.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
September 03 2013 11:49 GMT
#131
Reading this article , for some reason my attention turned to Jaedong & MC.

Jaedong is sad having to face Terran in the finals. . 2times I believe? Vs Polt Vs Bomber..
I used to not being fan of Jaedong, because I am fan of Flash, & Jaedong is Flash biggest rival.

Jaedong, Strong personality & Legacy keke in my mind. I always feel him as the Tyrant. and his .gif image of angry Jaedong is so deep in my mind.
And his performance is really good too, so he has Skill, Personality, Legacy
Shit, I need to sign up his fanclub.

MC, the voice of people~ I just read his thoughts about TvZ, he voice it out for us (Or for me only).

They dont fall back on personalities and legacy. They are good , professional players.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
wdpir32k3
Profile Joined April 2011
United States52 Posts
September 03 2013 11:55 GMT
#132
Good for team acer to get INnoVation happy for them
heaveshade
Profile Joined March 2011
China330 Posts
September 03 2013 11:58 GMT
#133
should it be 'one signing to rule all'
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44121 Posts
September 03 2013 12:21 GMT
#134
his tvz will still be a beast
this is a quote
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
September 03 2013 12:27 GMT
#135
his face is funny.. he looks like a asian inspector Gadget !

[image loading]

BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
September 03 2013 12:27 GMT
#136
Already paying off :D
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
September 03 2013 12:33 GMT
#137
If he wants to attend as many foreign tournaments as possible, EG or Liquid would probably have been a better choice.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
September 03 2013 12:34 GMT
#138
On September 03 2013 19:47 MrMercuG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 19:35 Cereb wrote:
Still can't believe it! And can't believe Acer can afford this beast =)


Ehm technically Acer is way richer than EG... LOL


Except we don't know what Acer's pro-gaming budget is
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 03 2013 12:35 GMT
#139
On September 03 2013 21:33 c0ldfusion wrote:
If he wants to attend as many foreign tournaments as possible, EG or Liquid would probably have been a better choice.

I do not think he really wants to attend as many foreign tournaments as possible. Though i bet we may see him on some random dreamhack and IEM.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
September 03 2013 13:15 GMT
#140
On September 03 2013 21:33 c0ldfusion wrote:
If he wants to attend as many foreign tournaments as possible, EG or Liquid would probably have been a better choice.


Maybe he wants to avoid slumping
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
King_law1992
Profile Joined December 2011
United States47 Posts
September 03 2013 15:12 GMT
#141
Acer is going to be real hard to beat now. Two great terrans, and a lot of great zergs.
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
September 03 2013 18:46 GMT
#142
who is the korean wearing glasses on the far right of the banner pic?
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
SneX
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden377 Posts
September 03 2013 20:07 GMT
#143
Nice read. INnoVation hwaiting!
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1366 Posts
September 03 2013 20:12 GMT
#144
Thorin's interviews are the best
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
September 03 2013 20:18 GMT
#145
I hope Inno gets to stream ^^ cant wait
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 03 2013 20:20 GMT
#146
On September 04 2013 05:18 RusHXceL wrote:
I hope Inno gets to stream ^^ cant wait

It's not like Acer players like to stream, huh. He may stream if he will get to be in Acer's house in Germany but i do not think it is happening any time soon.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
September 03 2013 20:42 GMT
#147
On September 03 2013 18:20 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 17:44 mongmong wrote:
On September 03 2013 17:21 Elroi wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?

the overall skill level ofc not but if you look at ro8 and onwards yes. You seem to have forgotten who rolled over rain in season finals. Btw referring to rsvival as some garbage player is utter bullshit. Kid won iem not long ago

that is not true. this finals the na players got far, but it was a korean player who won and the last season we had 3 players fomr wcs korea in the ro4 (sos, soulkey, innovation - i don't remember who the last guy was).

How dare you forget Mvp
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
September 03 2013 20:57 GMT
#148
Fionn writes like a boss.

really enjoyed this read, i found myself agreeing with pretty much everything said. Keep up the good work! <3
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
September 03 2013 21:17 GMT
#149
Great read, thank you Fionn!

I still have to get used to having the Robot Terran on the same team with that babe of a zerg Scarlett.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
September 04 2013 00:48 GMT
#150
Hopefully innovation keeps practicing with the best or his skill is going to go south. I think it takes away some of the mystique when one of the best players comes over here and you see them constantly you start to get sick of seeing them.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
September 04 2013 11:40 GMT
#151
Yah good little article, enjoy'd.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Gendo
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom216 Posts
September 04 2013 22:07 GMT
#152
also, bloody nice article!
FoShao
Profile Joined November 2012
United States256 Posts
September 04 2013 23:52 GMT
#153
yeeee I really hope Innovation continues his streak of wins. It's pretty cool to see someone as dominate as he is. But of course I secretly hope for Flash to take up his former glory
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
September 05 2013 00:06 GMT
#154
You don't think EG's signing Jaedong was a bigger deal than Acer signing Bogus?
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
September 05 2013 00:18 GMT
#155
On September 03 2013 18:20 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 17:44 mongmong wrote:
On September 03 2013 17:21 Elroi wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?

the overall skill level ofc not but if you look at ro8 and onwards yes. You seem to have forgotten who rolled over rain in season finals. Btw referring to rsvival as some garbage player is utter bullshit. Kid won iem not long ago

that is not true. this finals the na players got far, but it was a korean player who won and the last season we had 3 players fomr wcs korea in the ro4 (sos, soulkey, innovation - i don't remember who the last guy was).


And Taeja was one game away from making it WCS NA finals, which would then imply WCS KR = ez mode. Just so you realize how silly your argument was.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
September 05 2013 00:22 GMT
#156
On September 03 2013 18:31 SaltySam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 17:44 mongmong wrote:
On September 03 2013 17:21 Elroi wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.

really?

the overall skill level ofc not but if you look at ro8 and onwards yes. You seem to have forgotten who rolled over rain in season finals. Btw referring to rsvival as some garbage player is utter bullshit. Kid won iem not long ago
I disagree. Jaedong played only protoss until being slaughtered by Bomber. None of the top protoss have good records against top Zergs. So Jaedong's run isn't as impressive as people make it out to be. Many other WCS KR terrans can play vZ as well as Bomber. Jaedong wouldn't last long in WCS KR.

Taeja can definitely get to ro8 or higher in WCS KR. However his win over Rain wasn't that amazing because of Rain's lackluster play. Compare Rain of WCS KR vs Bomber and then compare that to what Taeja faced. Big difference.

Scarlett is in the same boat as Jaedong except Protoss will be Scarlett's weak point.

aLive played great at the finals. He definitely stepped up his level for the finals. If he is consistently this good then he is definitely code s level.

WCS KR is still harder than WCS AM. The qualifiers are harder, the challenger league is harder, and etc. Rain and Maru just played terribly in comparison to WCS KR. However Maru has never been known for his TvZ, so his loss to Scarlett wass no shock to me.


The usual KR players lose because jetlag, choke, bad form argument. How mature!
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 01:59:57
September 05 2013 01:58 GMT
#157
On September 03 2013 07:06 FeyFey wrote:
Revival would have won anyway ! And I am not some pouty Revival fan girl ... well I am but anyway !

Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 06:57 mikumegurine wrote:
was wondering

is INnoVation going to switch to WCS NA as soon as possible?


NA is as hard as KR currently, maybe even harder. So if he wants easy mode he will go EU. Might even be a good idea to be setup for next season. But imo it is fine to stay in Korea, with half of the Code S mainstays being in the NA region.


Not even close...?
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Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2385 Posts
September 05 2013 04:58 GMT
#158
On September 03 2013 11:18 antigravity wrote:
How can you even compare Acer to EG or Liquid...

Acer still DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE PROTOSS!!

Acer players have to approve a new player joining, so with me and Nerchio on the team, getting a protoss player seems extremely unlikely :D
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 12:22:21
September 05 2013 12:21 GMT
#159
On September 05 2013 13:58 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 11:18 antigravity wrote:
How can you even compare Acer to EG or Liquid...

Acer still DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE PROTOSS!!

Acer players have to approve a new player joining, so with me and Nerchio on the team, getting a protoss player seems extremely unlikely :D


yeah please keep it like that, thanks <3 (Grubby would be fine)
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 05 2013 12:31 GMT
#160
On September 05 2013 13:58 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 11:18 antigravity wrote:
How can you even compare Acer to EG or Liquid...

Acer still DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE PROTOSS!!

Acer players have to approve a new player joining, so with me and Nerchio on the team, getting a protoss player seems extremely unlikely :D

So, no protoss evah ? I like it :D
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
September 09 2013 15:28 GMT
#161
I think jaedong going to EG is bigger. But acer is now close to if not the best foreign team
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
September 09 2013 15:50 GMT
#162
At least Fionn has some compassion with Acer who completely lost all the hype of the announcement by that funny WCS final leak and makes news of it.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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AmuseD
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands133 Posts
September 09 2013 15:54 GMT
#163
On September 05 2013 13:58 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 11:18 antigravity wrote:
How can you even compare Acer to EG or Liquid...

Acer still DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE PROTOSS!!

Acer players have to approve a new player joining, so with me and Nerchio on the team, getting a protoss player seems extremely unlikely :D


ahum* Judgemental.

Can I ask how you practice your ZvP then? with the axiom players?
Supah ToHLL
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
September 09 2013 15:54 GMT
#164
On September 05 2013 13:58 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 11:18 antigravity wrote:
How can you even compare Acer to EG or Liquid...

Acer still DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE PROTOSS!!

Acer players have to approve a new player joining, so with me and Nerchio on the team, getting a protoss player seems extremely unlikely :D


That's ridiculous, there are a lot of good protoss with a nice mindset, and giving your veto only because of his race is quite stupid. It's even bad for acer.
Clare4
Profile Joined December 2012
Austria72 Posts
September 09 2013 15:57 GMT
#165
On September 10 2013 00:54 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 13:58 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On September 03 2013 11:18 antigravity wrote:
How can you even compare Acer to EG or Liquid...

Acer still DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE PROTOSS!!

Acer players have to approve a new player joining, so with me and Nerchio on the team, getting a protoss player seems extremely unlikely :D


That's ridiculous, there are a lot of good protoss with a nice mindset, and giving your veto only because of his race is quite stupid. It's even bad for acer.


there is a thing in there in the internet, called sarcasm, it's quite common that people use it, maybe you should google it
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STChobo
Profile Joined January 2013
12 Posts
September 09 2013 15:58 GMT
#166
you are just a joke and knows nothing about koreans progamers
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 16:01:46
September 09 2013 16:01 GMT
#167
On September 10 2013 00:57 Clare4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 00:54 Faust852 wrote:
On September 05 2013 13:58 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On September 03 2013 11:18 antigravity wrote:
How can you even compare Acer to EG or Liquid...

Acer still DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE PROTOSS!!

Acer players have to approve a new player joining, so with me and Nerchio on the team, getting a protoss player seems extremely unlikely :D


That's ridiculous, there are a lot of good protoss with a nice mindset, and giving your veto only because of his race is quite stupid. It's even bad for acer.


there is a thing in there in the internet, called sarcasm, it's quite common that people use it, maybe you should google it


It's was quite a bad sarcasm then, and absolutly unnecessary.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 09 2013 16:18 GMT
#168
On September 10 2013 01:01 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 00:57 Clare4 wrote:
On September 10 2013 00:54 Faust852 wrote:
On September 05 2013 13:58 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On September 03 2013 11:18 antigravity wrote:
How can you even compare Acer to EG or Liquid...

Acer still DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE PROTOSS!!

Acer players have to approve a new player joining, so with me and Nerchio on the team, getting a protoss player seems extremely unlikely :D


That's ridiculous, there are a lot of good protoss with a nice mindset, and giving your veto only because of his race is quite stupid. It's even bad for acer.


there is a thing in there in the internet, called sarcasm, it's quite common that people use it, maybe you should google it


It's was quite a bad sarcasm then, and absolutly unnecessary.

And also a blatantly obvious joke
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Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
September 09 2013 16:52 GMT
#169
Well so much with Acer being "the best team"...
Innovation lost in ATC for his team today two times.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
September 09 2013 16:53 GMT
#170
On September 10 2013 01:52 Caladan wrote:
Well so much with Acer being "the best team"...
Innovation lost in ATC for his team today two times.




And he is qualified for IEM NY...
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
September 09 2013 16:53 GMT
#171
Two games =/= proving anything about being the best.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 09 2013 16:53 GMT
#172
On September 10 2013 01:52 Caladan wrote:
Well so much with Acer being "the best team"...
Innovation lost in ATC for his team today two times.

To his own team mates playing his worst match-up.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
FetusThrower
Profile Joined August 2013
United States50 Posts
September 09 2013 21:59 GMT
#173
Probably my favorite article I've read on teamliquid thus far.. I don't even really like Innovation (not because he's 'bad' or whatever), but even I will root for his and Acer's success with signing one of the undeniably most dominating players in SC2 currently.
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