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WCS S2 Finals: INnoVation - Questions to Answer - Page 8

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Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
August 22 2013 22:52 GMT
#141
Just because Bogus got rolled by Maru doesn't mean he's suddenly bad at TvT, the same goes for Naniwa who was rolled by finale. It's the same man who got to the GSL ro8 twice largely on the back of his PvP. When he is on, he brings some sick control and cool play. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take down finale. I would however be surprised to see him advance over the terrans in the group. We'll see. I don't have your balls, Zealously. I'd also like to see Bogus and Taeja get out of the group, now that hellbats are nerfed TvT is fun again and those are two of my favourite players
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
August 22 2013 22:57 GMT
#142
On August 23 2013 07:35 T0MORR0W wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!


I'm completely happy with someone winning because their mechanics are simply that much better. Unless someone comes up with some completely unknown/unique all-in, I'm far more impressed by/interested in mechanical play because it's something I don't think I could ever emulate.

But everyone does like different things. I'm hoping INnoVation at least wins this since he didn't win WCS KR Season 2.
TheFiddler
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada17 Posts
August 22 2013 22:58 GMT
#143
Innovation will make it through. Absolutely.
stray dog strut
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
August 22 2013 23:01 GMT
#144
GOGO BOGUS! Two seasons in a row you can do it!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 22 2013 23:02 GMT
#145
On August 23 2013 07:35 T0MORR0W wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!


Haha, fair enough. But for perspective, if a non-Korean managed to make the Ro4 of the OSL and get top 3 in WCG Korea (which technically is impossible, but bear with me), people will call that player "THE GREATEST FOREIGNER EVER!".

For Innovation, that's a "slump".


I guess for me, Innovation's TvZ is just cathartic, killing Zergs left and right and dealing sweet vengeance to all the dirty Zergs who abused infestor-BL back in WoL. Die Zergs die!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
August 22 2013 23:03 GMT
#146
On August 23 2013 06:59 Zealously wrote:
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On August 23 2013 06:56 LittleRedBoy wrote:
If Innovation makes it out of this group I'll swallow a sword.

I almost read that wrong


Pork sword?

Man those are some ballsy predictions. Fair play, you are avoiding all possibility of an Artosis curse.
Red and yellow are all I see
ManicMarine
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia409 Posts
August 22 2013 23:13 GMT
#147
I agree with this prediction.
Manic by name, Manic by nature.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
August 22 2013 23:16 GMT
#148
Taeja and ducky, because rawr screw KeSPA, etc. etc.

SafeWord
Profile Joined February 2010
United States522 Posts
August 22 2013 23:18 GMT
#149
What the hell is this prediction haha
Who needs players when you have God?
Valhaden
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom15 Posts
August 22 2013 23:27 GMT
#150
If Naniwa loses - it's the curse
If Naniwa wins - all swedes rejoice

Zealously you crafty devil you. Curses are not to be meddled with!
Frankie says remax
T0MORR0W
Profile Joined July 2011
United States101 Posts
August 22 2013 23:33 GMT
#151
On August 23 2013 08:02 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 07:35 T0MORR0W wrote:
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!


Haha, fair enough. But for perspective, if a non-Korean managed to make the Ro4 of the OSL and get top 3 in WCG Korea (which technically is impossible, but bear with me), people will call that player "THE GREATEST FOREIGNER EVER!".

For Innovation, that's a "slump".


I guess for me, Innovation's TvZ is just cathartic, killing Zergs left and right and dealing sweet vengeance to all the dirty Zergs who abused infestor-BL back in WoL. Die Zergs die!

Well, if you're talking about non-Koreans, taking an unassisted Korean flag to game 7 would qualify for a spot in the top 10. To your point though, we hold INoVation to a higher standard because he's "the best player in the world", and recently hes been looking vulnerable, so some people have started thinking maybe he doesn't really have what it takes to be a championship-caliber player for the long haul. I for one am happy about that because it just feels odd for the weakness of the uncontested best player at a strategy game to be that hes pretty average from a strategic standpoint.
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
August 22 2013 23:35 GMT
#152
dat prediction. Other than duckdeok beating innovation i think its spot on!
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 22 2013 23:35 GMT
#153
On August 23 2013 07:18 T0MORR0W wrote:
That was my liquibet prediction already. I'm tired of INnoVation.

Thank god the most skilled players in Starcraft don't lose because you're tired of them.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 22 2013 23:35 GMT
#154
Innovation and Naniwa.
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
August 22 2013 23:36 GMT
#155
Would love to see innovation and nani get out
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
August 22 2013 23:36 GMT
#156
If Naniwa manages to pull this off then it will the most impressed with him I have ever been in his career.

I do not see it happening though.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
August 22 2013 23:36 GMT
#157
duckdeok will win over nani :D
AKMU / IU
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33644 Posts
August 22 2013 23:39 GMT
#158
go naniwa ^_^
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
August 23 2013 00:00 GMT
#159
duckdeok > Naniwa
Innovation > Taeja
Innovation > duckdeok
Taeja > Naniwa
duckdeok > Taeja


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WeRRa
Profile Joined December 2010
378 Posts
August 23 2013 00:12 GMT
#160
On August 23 2013 07:35 T0MORR0W wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!

I think Innovation is the best, what could have happend to SC2, to show that this game is more about gimmic strats or play. You need someone you can admire, cause he has more skill and not better strats or gimmic play, he simply says i win vs you, not cause i play this or that, i win cause i'm better. And just to mention, this guy has more than mechanical power, i mean he is so good at adapting to situations, scouting strats and counter them it is crazy, he has a lot what Flash had in BW, but for the simple fact that he isn't a Flash or MVP people don't like him. Well haters gonna hate.
Gogo Innovation show anyone, that the best player in the world should have the most skill and not the fanciest strats or play.
InnoVation Fighting!!!
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