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King of APM: Losira / Kangho - Page 5

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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 06 2013 08:58 GMT
#81
On August 06 2013 16:26 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:09 Rhaegal wrote:
From my experience, EPM in SC2gears is the best indicator of speed, because APM is meaningless, just look at players like Vibe or lastshadow.




Losira's EPM is 240-250+, making him among the fastest Zergs in the world.


Basicly this, APM is easily abused and misinterperted.

I don't know if he's faster then others like an DRG or not, but what i will say is his movements are the most beautiful to watch for sure.

They're both about the same speed which is blisteringly fast.

Yoda has replays of him above 280eapm, which is faster then anyone I've ever seen, including broodwar.
Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
August 06 2013 08:58 GMT
#82
On August 06 2013 17:56 gengka wrote:
imagine if he is a Terran.

I am not saying that Zerg is an easier race, but i think Terran rewards the fast APM players the most.



His Terran is GM level. Back when he used to stream, he played Terran a lot, and it was scary how good it was. Also, he played Terran in BW.


And from what I've seen, the player with the higher epm wins much more often in TvZ, regardless of the race. I thought about making a graph to show this from the Asus Rog / Dreamhack/ Iem/ MLG replays, but I was too lazy
http://www.twitch.tv/agonysc
Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
August 06 2013 08:59 GMT
#83
On August 06 2013 17:58 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 16:26 Lysanias wrote:
On August 06 2013 05:09 Rhaegal wrote:
From my experience, EPM in SC2gears is the best indicator of speed, because APM is meaningless, just look at players like Vibe or lastshadow.




Losira's EPM is 240-250+, making him among the fastest Zergs in the world.


Basicly this, APM is easily abused and misinterperted.

I don't know if he's faster then others like an DRG or not, but what i will say is his movements are the most beautiful to watch for sure.

They're both about the same speed which is blisteringly fast.

Yoda has replays of him above 280eapm, which is faster then anyone I've ever seen, including broodwar.



Yes, from all the replays that have been released in SC2, Yoda is the fastest player. You can see it clearly from his play as well.
http://www.twitch.tv/agonysc
TUski
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1258 Posts
August 06 2013 08:59 GMT
#84
On August 05 2013 22:01 shin_toss wrote:
Thanks Khaldor! aawesome as alwayss

Not mechanical kb ?


Most ex-broodwar pros use the QSENN DT-35 if they haven't switched to mechanical. It's the one that they were provided in the teamhouses way back when and got used to
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 06 2013 09:01 GMT
#85
If only there was some way of measuring the efficiency of each click, more so then just removing spam.
Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
August 07 2013 11:20 GMT
#86
On August 06 2013 00:19 Iyerbeth wrote:
Can't believe you posted a loss. That said, it was seriously impressive.


It's not like I know the result of the matches before I record them ^^ I have to take what I get
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lifesoheavy
Profile Joined March 2008
13 Posts
August 07 2013 12:29 GMT
#87
top apm is BY.HERO
apm 500
I AM FROM CHINA
Squiggles
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada54 Posts
August 07 2013 14:15 GMT
#88
On August 07 2013 20:20 Khaldor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 00:19 Iyerbeth wrote:
Can't believe you posted a loss. That said, it was seriously impressive.


It's not like I know the result of the matches before I record them ^^ I have to take what I get

I've wonder if being up so close to them makes them more nervous? What do you think?

I know they're suppose to be professionals and it's a part of being a progamer.
dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1160 Posts
August 07 2013 14:25 GMT
#89
wait this is a video of someone playing the game
how does epm make any sense in this context
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 07 2013 14:50 GMT
#90
Holy shit Kangho o.0
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
August 07 2013 15:20 GMT
#91
Geez, how does he not get injuries for playing like that all the time. Maybe that is his secret for healthy hands? haha.

THanks Khaldor, you clearly aren't skipping leg day for standing around like this : )
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
August 09 2013 03:20 GMT
#92
On August 07 2013 23:15 Squiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 20:20 Khaldor wrote:
On August 06 2013 00:19 Iyerbeth wrote:
Can't believe you posted a loss. That said, it was seriously impressive.


It's not like I know the result of the matches before I record them ^^ I have to take what I get

I've wonder if being up so close to them makes them more nervous? What do you think?

I know they're suppose to be professionals and it's a part of being a progamer.


There were several pictures at Reddit that show that I'm pretty far away from them. Korean journalists took them during the qualifier. In fact those journalists are much closer to the players while taking the pictures for their articles and also much more in their face.

I never had a single player complain. Most completely forget about me which is why I usually say "Good Job" or "Well done" at the end so that they look in the camera for a second.
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
August 15 2013 19:32 GMT
#93
Anyone know if that mouse is the sensei or kinzu v2 pro?
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
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