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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10014 Posts
August 01 2013 01:00 GMT
#21
yea i dont really understand how he was planning to scam you guys, also you should have verified his identity right from the get go.. easy enough to do
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eLeVaTioN
Profile Joined February 2012
United States97 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 01:03:09
August 01 2013 01:02 GMT
#22
It's unfortunate that two individuals tried to scam your team however there were still things you could have done to protect your team and your players. As the manager of your team, you should have stepped in from the beginning to stop them from talking to your players or making promises to them until you spoke to them yourself and made a signed agreement on everything. If they weren't willing to sign an actual contract then you shouldn't have tried to work with them. Any company that legitimately works with e-Sports teams would have talked to you first and made a signed agreement with you first.

I know the actual scam wasn't your fault and I don't mean to say this as if I'm blaming you, but I just hope people learn from these things and will take more proper actions when so called "sponsors" try to come in and just make deals by them saying they will fulfill what they claim to offer.



AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 01:04:07
August 01 2013 01:02 GMT
#23
On August 01 2013 10:00 TT1 wrote:
yea i dont really understand how he was planning to scam you guys, also you should have verified his identity right from the get go.. easy enough to do

The more I think about it, the dumber it seems. The guy basically said, "here's thousands of dollars of stuff, trust me, I'm legit" and was believe. Even if you have someone trustworthy vouching for you, there's a certain point of promising stuff where the recipient has to turn around and say show me the money.

On August 01 2013 10:03 NoMicroWin wrote:
Im sorry for the nonsense you've had to deal with. It seems quite awful. But what does desRow have to do with any of this?

I'm also trying to figure out how he got that Skype conversation.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
NoMicroWin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States688 Posts
August 01 2013 01:03 GMT
#24
Im sorry for the nonsense you've had to deal with. It seems quite awful. But what does desRow have to do with any of this?
If she pulls out her stalkers, you pull out your mauraders and concussive all over her tits
Kurbz
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia88 Posts
August 01 2013 01:03 GMT
#25
can you take this to the police? it's obviously fraud but theres bound to be other things they could charge him with too.
Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 01:08:14
August 01 2013 01:04 GMT
#26
A surprising turn of events

sMi
I <3 StarCraft.
Ruin
Profile Joined July 2011
United States271 Posts
August 01 2013 01:05 GMT
#27
Saw this coming 4 miles away. 2k a month + alienware gear on a notepad contract? Seriously? sMi...more like SMH
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
August 01 2013 01:06 GMT
#28
I'm not familalir with the esports way of business but this seems incredibly bush league.
i like cheese
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
August 01 2013 01:06 GMT
#29
Wait so did you actually give him any money? You just didn't get your free gear? Not much of a scam is it? The whole things sounds amateurish as fuck and frankly I've never heard of any of you. Just be less stupid next time.
sMiAthena
Profile Joined July 2013
United States9 Posts
August 01 2013 01:07 GMT
#30
the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...

amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.

THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.

these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.


GL-.-GG
GoGo sMi Fighting (Q'.')=Q (*_-)
DirtyBirD
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States239 Posts
August 01 2013 01:07 GMT
#31
On August 01 2013 10:02 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 10:00 TT1 wrote:
yea i dont really understand how he was planning to scam you guys, also you should have verified his identity right from the get go.. easy enough to do

The more I think about it, the dumber it seems. The guy basically said, "here's thousands of dollars of stuff, trust me, I'm legit" and was believe. Even if you have someone trustworthy vouching for you, there's a certain point of promising stuff where the recipient has to turn around and say show me the money.

Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 10:03 NoMicroWin wrote:
Im sorry for the nonsense you've had to deal with. It seems quite awful. But what does desRow have to do with any of this?

I'm also trying to figure out how he got that Skype conversation.

Desrow was never involved with sMi. Anderson tried to recruit him, but I told him not to because I knew this was going to happen. Then, he messaged and told him that.

On August 01 2013 10:02 eLeVaTioN wrote:
It's unfortunate that two individuals tried to scam your team however there were still things you could have done to protect your team and your players. As the manager of your team, you should have stepped in from the beginning to stop them from talking to your players or making promises to them until you spoke to them yourself and made a signed agreement on everything. If they weren't willing to sign an actual contract then you shouldn't have tried to work with them. Any company that legitimately works with e-Sports teams would have talked to you first and made a signed agreement with you first.

I know the actual scam wasn't your fault and I don't mean to say this as if I'm blaming you, but I just hope people learn from these things and will take more proper actions when so called "sponsors" try to come in and just make deals by them saying they will fulfill what they claim to offer.

As I stated, I was on a hiatus from really managing sMi at the beginning of all of this. Once I found out about things, I told my players NOT to do anything before I talked to these individuals, but that didn't stop everyone from getting contracts and signing things.
sMi.DirtyBirD
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
August 01 2013 01:08 GMT
#32
I'm trying to figure out this guys angle, and maybe I didn't read the post close enough. How was he trying to scam your team that has no money and no sponsors?
Better than Pokebunny
hangene92
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada258 Posts
August 01 2013 01:08 GMT
#33
Sad to hear that it turned out this way. This kind of scam happens a lot and just like any team if there was an opportunity given we would go after it. Only thing we can do is just learn and live on.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one"
DirtyBirD
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States239 Posts
August 01 2013 01:10 GMT
#34
On August 01 2013 10:05 Aiursc wrote:
Saw this coming 4 miles away. 2k a month + alienware gear on a notepad contract? Seriously? sMi...more like SMH
It wasn't 2k a month. None of the players were offered any more than $500 a month as far as I know. As I said, I was very out of the loop during the very initial stages of all of this.
sMi.DirtyBirD
Faster69
Profile Joined July 2013
69 Posts
August 01 2013 01:10 GMT
#35
TLDR?

User was temp banned for this post.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
August 01 2013 01:13 GMT
#36
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote:
the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...

amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.

THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.

these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.


GL-.-GG

Wait, so the Athena guy was also the two people who were the same person? I'm so confused...
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
August 01 2013 01:13 GMT
#37
On August 01 2013 10:10 Faster69 wrote:
TLDR?

I would highly suggest you read it. OP did a fantastic job with this thread and put in a lot of effort. So the least you can do is read it.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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-TGO-
Profile Joined October 2012
United States156 Posts
August 01 2013 01:14 GMT
#38
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote:
the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...

amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.

THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.

these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.


GL-.-GG


Dude, you're caught.
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Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 01:17:06
August 01 2013 01:15 GMT
#39
On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote:
the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...

amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.

THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.

these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.


GL-.-GG

I think this is the anderson guy trying to dig himself deeper into his hole.

I like how his story involves him giving someone his skype password.
Thats smart.
With Redacted at request in the main topic during andersons confession, I feel its respectful to edit the name of the individual out of some of these posts.
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sMiAthena
Profile Joined July 2013
United States9 Posts
August 01 2013 01:15 GMT
#40
caught w/ nothing, the fact they post certain things, but they dont post everything that went down.
GoGo sMi Fighting (Q'.')=Q (*_-)
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