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On September 02 2013 18:59 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 04:21 skadumdums wrote:
I'm not trying to be insulting but I'm trying to figure this obsession with watching sub par players face off based on their looks. this doesn't just apply to a female league but also to the numerous complaints about the WCS structure and how Koreans are too dominant.
I'm a huge fan of starcraft as a competitive activity, however I don't want to watch TLO play innovation. I'd rather see a top level zerg like Soulkey or Symbol duke it out. I've never cared about race or gender I just want to watch insanely good matches between the actual top level players. If I want anything other than that I'll had over to Husky's channel and watch Rotterdam go carriers or whatever other cute thing he uploaded that week.
Making a post about an all female league is the equivalent of making a post about how some YouTube hero is holding a tournament between just foreigners. Well, I also don't understand people's fixation with players based on nationality or skin tone or gender, I just like to see the best games. Though while I can't understand it literally, I can rationalize and accept that people are different, thus have different tastes, thus enjoy different things from me. And so there are people that just enjoy seeing their favorite player despite the fact said player will probably never win a tournament in his life, I can't understand why, I just need to accept it. However, more relevant, there are people that like to see the best games from the best players, but they also like to, and want to see the next generation of gamers rise, be they foreign, Korean, male or female. And while; watching Mvp work his magic or Bomber macro his heart out, or Innovation parade push someone to death; never gets old I still want to see new faces and I want to see if or not they can rise to the challenge and reach the top, if they can become champion contenders because, ultimately its exciting to also see someone new come into the scene and shake it up a bit. Hopefully more initiatives like the WSL come about, I really do need to check out the vods in my spare time.
And sometimes folks just want to watch some SC2 and this is on and looks interesting. Sometimes its just fun to watch people play and not really care if its the highest level play in the world.
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On September 04 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 18:59 Destructicon wrote:On August 25 2013 04:21 skadumdums wrote:
I'm not trying to be insulting but I'm trying to figure this obsession with watching sub par players face off based on their looks. this doesn't just apply to a female league but also to the numerous complaints about the WCS structure and how Koreans are too dominant.
I'm a huge fan of starcraft as a competitive activity, however I don't want to watch TLO play innovation. I'd rather see a top level zerg like Soulkey or Symbol duke it out. I've never cared about race or gender I just want to watch insanely good matches between the actual top level players. If I want anything other than that I'll had over to Husky's channel and watch Rotterdam go carriers or whatever other cute thing he uploaded that week.
Making a post about an all female league is the equivalent of making a post about how some YouTube hero is holding a tournament between just foreigners. Well, I also don't understand people's fixation with players based on nationality or skin tone or gender, I just like to see the best games. Though while I can't understand it literally, I can rationalize and accept that people are different, thus have different tastes, thus enjoy different things from me. And so there are people that just enjoy seeing their favorite player despite the fact said player will probably never win a tournament in his life, I can't understand why, I just need to accept it. However, more relevant, there are people that like to see the best games from the best players, but they also like to, and want to see the next generation of gamers rise, be they foreign, Korean, male or female. And while; watching Mvp work his magic or Bomber macro his heart out, or Innovation parade push someone to death; never gets old I still want to see new faces and I want to see if or not they can rise to the challenge and reach the top, if they can become champion contenders because, ultimately its exciting to also see someone new come into the scene and shake it up a bit. Hopefully more initiatives like the WSL come about, I really do need to check out the vods in my spare time. And sometimes folks just want to watch some SC2 and this is on and looks interesting. Sometimes its just fun to watch people play and not really care if its the highest level play in the world.
And sometimes it's fun to watch people who you can relate to, who can speak the same language as you and have come from an area near you. Sometimes it's fun to root for the underdogs, to get emotionally involved in the games rather than merely analyze top level play. Sometimes it's fun to watch players who are unique for various reasions, whether it's playstyle or race or gender, simply because they're unique. I definitely enjoy watching high level Koreans play most of the time, but I also like to watch the NA scene because the players are far more relatable to me and I always enjoy an underdog story.
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On September 04 2013 02:54 Pursuit_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 02:47 Plansix wrote:On September 02 2013 18:59 Destructicon wrote:On August 25 2013 04:21 skadumdums wrote:
I'm not trying to be insulting but I'm trying to figure this obsession with watching sub par players face off based on their looks. this doesn't just apply to a female league but also to the numerous complaints about the WCS structure and how Koreans are too dominant.
I'm a huge fan of starcraft as a competitive activity, however I don't want to watch TLO play innovation. I'd rather see a top level zerg like Soulkey or Symbol duke it out. I've never cared about race or gender I just want to watch insanely good matches between the actual top level players. If I want anything other than that I'll had over to Husky's channel and watch Rotterdam go carriers or whatever other cute thing he uploaded that week.
Making a post about an all female league is the equivalent of making a post about how some YouTube hero is holding a tournament between just foreigners. Well, I also don't understand people's fixation with players based on nationality or skin tone or gender, I just like to see the best games. Though while I can't understand it literally, I can rationalize and accept that people are different, thus have different tastes, thus enjoy different things from me. And so there are people that just enjoy seeing their favorite player despite the fact said player will probably never win a tournament in his life, I can't understand why, I just need to accept it. However, more relevant, there are people that like to see the best games from the best players, but they also like to, and want to see the next generation of gamers rise, be they foreign, Korean, male or female. And while; watching Mvp work his magic or Bomber macro his heart out, or Innovation parade push someone to death; never gets old I still want to see new faces and I want to see if or not they can rise to the challenge and reach the top, if they can become champion contenders because, ultimately its exciting to also see someone new come into the scene and shake it up a bit. Hopefully more initiatives like the WSL come about, I really do need to check out the vods in my spare time. And sometimes folks just want to watch some SC2 and this is on and looks interesting. Sometimes its just fun to watch people play and not really care if its the highest level play in the world. And sometimes it's fun to watch people who you can relate to, who can speak the same language as you and have come from an area near you. Sometimes it's fun to root for the underdogs, to get emotionally involved in the games rather than merely analyze top level play. Sometimes it's fun to watch players who are unique for various reasions, whether it's playstyle or race or gender, simply because they're unique. I definitely enjoy watching high level Koreans play most of the time, but I also like to watch the NA scene because the players are far more relatable to me and I always enjoy an underdog story.
Its weird, its almost like if we get away from the need to see the top level players all the time, there is room for everyone in SC2. Who would have thought?
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g1 standard pvp with stargate voidray barbie wins on macro and micro
otl cannon rushes barbie in g2
g3 otl goes DT into chargelot archon off 1 base
g4 proxy double gate on barbies main choke (LOL)
g5 proxy stargate. barbie misses the scout by 2 pixels. brushes off the harass anyway then crushes OTL
g6 cannon rush. barbie got too careless with her scouting.
conclusion: barbie got cheesed out, but i dont think OTL is a real gold player. also pvp is tremendously retarded but you all already knew that.
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I have to say that the level is quite good, despite only few of them are pros, games are sometimes more interesting than "high pro korean" matches.
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Wont' this be like watching the WNBA..really boring and watching 2nd tier sports.
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does anyone know when the finals will be played? this weekend if im not mistaken but not sure when exactly
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ok Aphrodite, just scout the cheese and you win 
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On September 08 2013 23:29 rave[wcr] wrote:
does anyone know when the finals will be played? this weekend if im not mistaken but not sure when exactly
It seems they've already been played. The vods are up at http://www.afreeca.com/estv01/, but not yet on youtube.
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to save some of you some time.
g1 - OTL move commands into aphrodites 150ish army on her choke gg
g2 - OTL does a 2 gate, loses a bunch of units to a bunker, then goes into a 4 gate. aphrodite snipes an artosis pylon on 4 gateway with a drop leading to a 50 food lead
g3 - OTL pulls probes and rushes with 2 zealots and a mcore lol?
g4- OTL opens nexus first and aphrodite bunkers her in. gg after some dt shenanigans. aphrodite makes a battlecruiser for fun
easily the worst tournament ive ever watched after 8 years of watching WC3 and 2 years of watching SC2. i hope some korean barbie fanboys bully OTL into uninstalling sc2.
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Well, this tournament was about as free as it gets for Aphrodite. It'd almost make you think that StarTale was engaging in money laundering or something
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On September 11 2013 19:26 rave[wcr] wrote:
easily the worst tournament ive ever watched after 8 years of watching WC3 and 2 years of watching SC2. i hope some korean barbie fanboys bully OTL into uninstalling sc2.
This is pretty lame, dude.
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by Barbie on fb
하루에 서른판은 더 연습 또 연습했는데 광자포 러쉬나, 전진 2관문에 적절한 대처를 못하고 좋은 경기력 보여드리지 못한 점 죄송합니다. 가영언니랑 결승에서 꼭 만나고 싶었는데 제 역량이 많이 부족 했던 것 같습니다.
이번 WSL 을 계기로 한층 더 성숙해 질 수 있는 기회를 주신 것이라 생각하고 더욱 열심히 하는 이유라가 되겠습니다. 죄송합니다.
Day thirty-sixes was another practice practice more advanced optical suicidal rush or not appropriate to the cope 2 door great game strength show couldn't, sorry. A young sister wanted to meet at the Grand Finals of my competence, much seems to have been lacking.
This can be even more in the wake of the WSL maturity has given us the opportunity to think and reason, which is harder. I'm sorry.
reply by aphrodite
유라야 힘내구 다음 대회땐 꼭 결승에서 만나자♥ 홧팅!!I'm sure when the next contest the endurance power of yura meet in the final and now we are focusing on Ting ♥!!
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On September 11 2013 20:20 rave[wcr] wrote:
by Barbie on fb
하루에 서른판은 더 연습 또 연습했는데 광자포 러쉬나, 전진 2관문에 적절한 대처를 못하고 좋은 경기력 보여드리지 못한 점 죄송합니다. 가영언니랑 결승에서 꼭 만나고 싶었는데 제 역량이 많이 부족 했던 것 같습니다.
이번 WSL 을 계기로 한층 더 성숙해 질 수 있는 기회를 주신 것이라 생각하고 더욱 열심히 하는 이유라가 되겠습니다. 죄송합니다.
Day thirty-sixes was another practice practice more advanced optical suicidal rush or not appropriate to the cope 2 door great game strength show couldn't, sorry. A young sister wanted to meet at the Grand Finals of my competence, much seems to have been lacking.
This can be even more in the wake of the WSL maturity has given us the opportunity to think and reason, which is harder. I'm sorry.
reply by aphrodite
유라야 힘내구 다음 대회땐 꼭 결승에서 만나자♥ 홧팅!!I'm sure when the next contest the endurance power of yura meet in the final and now we are focusing on Ting ♥!!
"I practiced and practiced for 30 games a day, but I couldn't deal with cannon rushing or 2 gate proxying well, so I'm sorry. I wanted to make sure that I wanted to face sis Aphrodite at the final, but I wasn't nearly capable enough.
"I'll use this WSL as an occasion to mature one step and become a far more hard-working Barbie. I'm sorry."
"Stay strong, Barbie, and let's make sure to meet in the final of the next tournament. Fighting!!"
google translate is bad
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On September 11 2013 20:20 rave[wcr] wrote:
by Barbie on fb
하루에 서른판은 더 연습 또 연습했는데 광자포 러쉬나, 전진 2관문에 적절한 대처를 못하고 좋은 경기력 보여드리지 못한 점 죄송합니다. 가영언니랑 결승에서 꼭 만나고 싶었는데 제 역량이 많이 부족 했던 것 같습니다.
이번 WSL 을 계기로 한층 더 성숙해 질 수 있는 기회를 주신 것이라 생각하고 더욱 열심히 하는 이유라가 되겠습니다. 죄송합니다.
Day thirty-sixes was another practice practice more advanced optical suicidal rush or not appropriate to the cope 2 door great game strength show couldn't, sorry. A young sister wanted to meet at the Grand Finals of my competence, much seems to have been lacking.
This can be even more in the wake of the WSL maturity has given us the opportunity to think and reason, which is harder. I'm sorry.
reply by aphrodite
유라야 힘내구 다음 대회땐 꼭 결승에서 만나자♥ 홧팅!!I'm sure when the next contest the endurance power of yura meet in the final and now we are focusing on Ting ♥!!
I think there might be something lost in translation there  But the gist of it is that they want to meet in the finals, it seems. Besides, now everyone knows that she's a cheese-machine, so she won't get away with it next time.
On September 11 2013 19:26 rave[wcr] wrote:
easily the worst tournament ive ever watched after 8 years of watching WC3 and 2 years of watching SC2. i hope some korean barbie fanboys bully OTL into uninstalling sc2.
What would be better, though, is if lots of Korean girls think "If she can get second place, then I can get second place. I'm gonna join for season 2" and then we see more and higher skilled players for the next season.
Edit: Yay, proper translation while I was typing!
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ah if only this was a selca taking tournament. LOL gl to barbie in the next wsl
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6s0oPP5.jpg)
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On September 11 2013 19:26 rave[wcr] wrote:
easily the worst tournament ive ever watched after 8 years of watching WC3 and 2 years of watching SC2. i hope some korean barbie fanboys bully OTL into uninstalling sc2.
Kinda harsh. Why'd you watch the whole thing if you found it to be terrible?
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On September 11 2013 21:11 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 19:26 rave[wcr] wrote:
easily the worst tournament ive ever watched after 8 years of watching WC3 and 2 years of watching SC2. i hope some korean barbie fanboys bully OTL into uninstalling sc2. Kinda harsh. Why'd you watch the whole thing if you found it to be terrible?
If he didn't, someone would post 'How do you know it was terrible if you didn't watch the whole thing?' Both are pointless arguments. You expect games to improve as you get further in the bracket.
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On September 11 2013 21:21 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 21:11 IntoTheheart wrote:On September 11 2013 19:26 rave[wcr] wrote:
easily the worst tournament ive ever watched after 8 years of watching WC3 and 2 years of watching SC2. i hope some korean barbie fanboys bully OTL into uninstalling sc2. Kinda harsh. Why'd you watch the whole thing if you found it to be terrible? If he didn't, someone would post 'How do you know it was terrible if you didn't watch the whole thing?' Both are pointless arguments. You expect games to improve as you get further in the bracket.
That's dangerous to say. You'd expect the quality of players to improve, not game quality. I've seen some great games out of players which aren't so great and some terrible games out of great players.
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On August 01 2013 01:40 synd wrote:
Now name 10 female pro gamers. -Nope, you can't.
Well when you don't limit it to Korea...
Scarlett, Aphrodite, Eve (retired), Tilea, Flo, Miss, colagirl, maddelisk, kaitlyn, dasakura (probably retired?), Tossgirl (who, did play SC2 briefly...as zerg...also retired), Livibee, Aurora, puck (sometimes; perhaps only during the full moon)
I'm probably stretching the definition of "pro" for some of these, but I believe all of these are "on a team or have won money from tournaments". Think i have 10 there, even after discounting the retired ones.
(Actually, it strikes me that your wording didn't even limit it to SC2; for all that being able to name other games doesn't help me).
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