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On July 23 2013 09:19 dcsoda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:17 Tunga wrote: For the people defending blizzard, ask yourself how it makes sense to have all 3 qualifiers on the same weekend. If you're only a SC2 fan that's the main issue here. People try to schedule their lives and sleep schedule around certain matches, but having them in the same weekend back to back is just expecting your viewers not to have lives or enjoy sleep at all. So not only is it split between viewers in different games, it's split between viewers and their tolerance.
I see no answer other than Blizzard just planned poorly and did their best to cram it all in 3 weekends. I watch what I can live and then watch the VODs of the other stuff if I can. Like I always have. Yeah, I don't have time for all those games. I'll catch up if necessary.
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On July 23 2013 09:17 Tunga wrote: For the people defending blizzard, ask yourself how it makes sense to have all 3 qualifiers on the same weekend. If you're only a SC2 fan that's the main issue here. People try to schedule their lives and sleep schedule around certain matches, but having them in the same weekend back to back is just expecting your viewers not to have lives or enjoy sleep at all. So not only is it split between viewers in different games, it's split between viewers and their tolerance.
I see no answer other than Blizzard just planned poorly and did their best to cram it all in 3 weekends.
Even if you don't give a damn about Dota, putting it on the same weekend as TI3 means that their stream will suck hardcore for the whole weekend. Dota has some sort of way to circumvent that problem with DotaTV but SC2 is going to suffer heavily from technical problems.
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riot scheduled around ti3 because lol and dota are direct competitors and do not want to be humiliated by dota2.They always want to have the"we are more succesfull than dota2 mantra on their shoulders.".Even a regional lcs being surpassed by ti3 would mean a big blow to the lol "we always have more viewers on twitch no matter what" propaganda machine.Riot would lose a lot more money on the long run if they would be surpassed by dota2 than blizzard.This and the fact that dota is miles ahead of lol in terms of fan involvement and fans supporting the scene.Valve is doing a good job.Hopefully blizzard will do the same
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On July 23 2013 08:43 Esoterikk wrote: Not surprised Blizzard isn't backing down, they have pretty inflated self worth in esports and as a company generally think they can do no wrong and are right in all situations. Oh well, this isn't going to hurt TI3 viewership at all but SC2 is going to miss out on a metric ton of potential views by being stupid. They hired and supported Jay Wilson dismantling Diablo 3 so horribly that the console ports will actually be better versions of the game. This isn't surprising, unfortunately. Blizzard doesn't have the same talent it did in 1998. This also makes blizzard look a bit petulant and childish. If they REALLY wanted to make this happen at a different time they could, or perhaps they planned it that poorly?
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I'm actually more pissed off about the fact that WCS KR is done with their semis on August 1st while AM and EU don't even start their fucking RO16 until August 5th. What the fuck? So the WCS KR players get well over a week to sit around and prepare for finals, watch all their potential opponents games thoroughly?
I thought the whole point of WCS was to even the playing field for everyone, not suck Korea's dick even harder. What gives?
If they continue this stupid tournament next year, they really, really, REALLY fucking need to enforce everyone playing the same format, or else what is the FUCKING point?
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On July 23 2013 09:13 Zealously wrote: I'll react properly when I stop laughing in a few weeks
How can you laugh? I am in tears now, becouse this is so depressing. How can Blizzard do things like this?
I am filled with sadness and anger that i can not fucking sleep. This is one of the worst moments in my personal eSports/gaming life and that includes leaving WoW, stop playing Diablo 2/Wc3/Wc2 and closing the german Dota 1 wiki, where i was the head admin...
I don't even know what Blizzard is thinking...
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I guess will watch only the Korean games this time too
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At least there isn't any LoL for it to go against... until the grand finals at Gamescom which will be going against the European LCS finals at Gamescom.
Hooray WCS!
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On July 23 2013 09:23 Crytash wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:13 Zealously wrote: I'll react properly when I stop laughing in a few weeks How can you laugh? I am in tears now, becouse this is so depressing. How can Blizzard do things like this? I am filled with sadness and anger that i can not fucking sleep. This is one of the worst moments in my personal eSports/gaming life and that includes leaving WoW, stop playing Diablo 2/Wc3/Wc2 and closing the german Dota 1 wiki, where i was the head admin... I don't even know what Blizzard is thinking...
Well that's because you are overreacting.
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On July 23 2013 09:26 dcsoda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:23 Crytash wrote:On July 23 2013 09:13 Zealously wrote: I'll react properly when I stop laughing in a few weeks How can you laugh? I am in tears now, becouse this is so depressing. How can Blizzard do things like this? I am filled with sadness and anger that i can not fucking sleep. This is one of the worst moments in my personal eSports/gaming life and that includes leaving WoW, stop playing Diablo 2/Wc3/Wc2 and closing the german Dota 1 wiki, where i was the head admin... I don't even know what Blizzard is thinking... Well that's because you are overreacting. Stop picking on the guy that's crying his heart out.
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On July 23 2013 09:25 tribulator wrote: At least there isn't any LoL for it to go against... until the grand finals at Gamescom which will be going against the European LCS finals at Gamescom.
Hooray WCS!
It's actually funny that people are also forgetting a few things because simply scheduling at the same time as TI3 is stupid enough.
1) They also scheduled all 3 finals at the same time making it impossible for anyone to watch all three unless they forgo sleep. 2) Riot also has an event at gamescon and it will be a complete and utter mess of an event for trying to get a hotel/tickets/room/being at an already packed venue 3) Riot even had the forsight to not schedule at the same time as TI3 despite being at gamescon
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On July 23 2013 09:26 dcsoda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:23 Crytash wrote:On July 23 2013 09:13 Zealously wrote: I'll react properly when I stop laughing in a few weeks How can you laugh? I am in tears now, becouse this is so depressing. How can Blizzard do things like this? I am filled with sadness and anger that i can not fucking sleep. This is one of the worst moments in my personal eSports/gaming life and that includes leaving WoW, stop playing Diablo 2/Wc3/Wc2 and closing the german Dota 1 wiki, where i was the head admin... I don't even know what Blizzard is thinking... Well that's because you are overreacting.
Maybe i am, but for me this is the nail in the coffin of Blizzard as a company i like. We all know, that WCS was not as good for the scene as we all would have liked, but i always wanted to believe, that it will get better and that both Dota 2 and Sc2 ,who share a very unique bond, won't have that many problems with each other.
For me Blizzard is/was one of the best video game developer, who just understood his customers. This might be a simplification, but they always were the good guys and i even feel childish to blieved that way, but that is how i felt deep down. Now i just have to accept, that they not only "*uck up" theeir own games, no(!) they also seem to do that with others. It just sadens me so much
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On July 23 2013 09:31 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:25 tribulator wrote: At least there isn't any LoL for it to go against... until the grand finals at Gamescom which will be going against the European LCS finals at Gamescom.
Hooray WCS! It's actually funny that people are also forgetting a few things because simply scheduling at the same time as TI3 is stupid enough. 1) They also scheduled all 3 finals at the same time making it impossible for anyone to watch all three unless they forgo sleep. 2) Riot also has an event at gamescon and it will be a complete and utter mess of an event for trying to get a hotel/tickets/room/being at an already packed venue 3) Riot even had the forsight to not schedule at the same time as TI3 despite being at gamescon
I don't care for their game at all but as a company they are extremely well organized and execute well designed plans. In short, not surprised Riot has their stuff together and also not surprised that Blizzard missteps once again. Something about the best predictor of future performance is...
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On July 23 2013 09:23 Crytash wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:13 Zealously wrote: I'll react properly when I stop laughing in a few weeks How can you laugh? I am in tears now, becouse this is so depressing. How can Blizzard do things like this? I am filled with sadness and anger that i can not fucking sleep. This is one of the worst moments in my personal eSports/gaming life and that includes leaving WoW, stop playing Diablo 2/Wc3/Wc2 and closing the german Dota 1 wiki, where i was the head admin... I don't even know what Blizzard is thinking... Dramatic much? In tears?
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On July 23 2013 09:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:23 Crytash wrote:On July 23 2013 09:13 Zealously wrote: I'll react properly when I stop laughing in a few weeks How can you laugh? I am in tears now, becouse this is so depressing. How can Blizzard do things like this? I am filled with sadness and anger that i can not fucking sleep. This is one of the worst moments in my personal eSports/gaming life and that includes leaving WoW, stop playing Diablo 2/Wc3/Wc2 and closing the german Dota 1 wiki, where i was the head admin... I don't even know what Blizzard is thinking... Dramatic much? In tears? You dont understand how important eSporTSs is to people.
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I guess I'm one of the few this doesn't change anything for :3 I'll watch OSL because it's the best, look up the results of EU and maybe watch AM if it's on.
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On July 23 2013 09:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:23 Crytash wrote:On July 23 2013 09:13 Zealously wrote: I'll react properly when I stop laughing in a few weeks How can you laugh? I am in tears now, becouse this is so depressing. How can Blizzard do things like this? I am filled with sadness and anger that i can not fucking sleep. This is one of the worst moments in my personal eSports/gaming life and that includes leaving WoW, stop playing Diablo 2/Wc3/Wc2 and closing the german Dota 1 wiki, where i was the head admin... I don't even know what Blizzard is thinking... Dramatic much? In tears?
God forbid that some people might actually, get this, care a lot more than you... O_O
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I would be surprised but blizzard has shown they are pretty incompetent in the past.
Mostly I feel sorry for their partners whose tournament will get little to no attention.
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On July 23 2013 09:33 Crytash wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:26 dcsoda wrote:On July 23 2013 09:23 Crytash wrote:On July 23 2013 09:13 Zealously wrote: I'll react properly when I stop laughing in a few weeks How can you laugh? I am in tears now, becouse this is so depressing. How can Blizzard do things like this? I am filled with sadness and anger that i can not fucking sleep. This is one of the worst moments in my personal eSports/gaming life and that includes leaving WoW, stop playing Diablo 2/Wc3/Wc2 and closing the german Dota 1 wiki, where i was the head admin... I don't even know what Blizzard is thinking... Well that's because you are overreacting. Maybe i am, but for me this is the nail in the coffin of Blizzard as a company i like. We all know, that WCS was not as good for the scene as we all would have liked, but i always wanted to believe, that it will get better and that both Dota 2 and Sc2 ,who share a very unique bond, won't have that many problems with each other. For me Blizzard is/was one of the best video game developer, who just understood his customers. This might be a simplification, but they always were the good guys and i even feel childish to blieved that way, but that is how i felt deep down. Now i just have to accept, that they not only "*uck up" theeir own games, no(!) they also seem to do that with others. It just sadens me so much
This is a serious question but what is this bond between Dota 2 and SC2? Is it because Dota was a War3 mod? The games seem as different as you're going to get to me.
As to this being a nail in the coffin I just don't get it. This isn't the finals of S2 and the game itself seems more entertaining to watch than ever. They already put NASL in charge of WCS NA which was a great move. This part of the season wasn't ever going to come close to this Dota tournament anyway so people can check out both at once if they want to. It isn't even going to infringe on the grand finals of the Dota tournament! The level of reaction and vitriol this is causing is just baffling to me.
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On July 23 2013 09:33 Crytash wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:26 dcsoda wrote:On July 23 2013 09:23 Crytash wrote:On July 23 2013 09:13 Zealously wrote: I'll react properly when I stop laughing in a few weeks How can you laugh? I am in tears now, becouse this is so depressing. How can Blizzard do things like this? I am filled with sadness and anger that i can not fucking sleep. This is one of the worst moments in my personal eSports/gaming life and that includes leaving WoW, stop playing Diablo 2/Wc3/Wc2 and closing the german Dota 1 wiki, where i was the head admin... I don't even know what Blizzard is thinking... Well that's because you are overreacting. Maybe i am, but for me this is the nail in the coffin of Blizzard as a company i like. We all know, that WCS was not as good for the scene as we all would have liked, but i always wanted to believe, that it will get better and that both Dota 2 and Sc2 ,who share a very unique bond, won't have that many problems with each other. For me Blizzard is/was one of the best video game developer, who just understood his customers. This might be a simplification, but they always were the good guys and i even feel childish to blieved that way, but that is how i felt deep down. Now i just have to accept, that they not only "*uck up" theeir own games, no(!) they also seem to do that with others. It just sadens me so much
dota 2 for blizzard is just like any other competitor game.The bond exists only in the mind of the fans and i am not even sure about those since the majority of dota 2 fans never heard of dota 1 and never heard of wc3/bw/sc2.Just check the dota2 reddit thingy.new fans only see dota2 as it is now.
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