EPTIt is basicly impossible for me to follow DH with a stream like that, it really screwed up a really anticipated tournament for me.
Do anyone have similar problems and if so, are there any solutions to solving the problem?
Stuttering from Dreamhack stream all weekend
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
It is basicly impossible for me to follow DH with a stream like that, it really screwed up a really anticipated tournament for me. Do anyone have similar problems and if so, are there any solutions to solving the problem? | ||
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KazmA
United States117 Posts
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
Btw youtube livestream does not have any lag. | ||
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ex000r
Switzerland74 Posts
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mumpfel
Germany52 Posts
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sidh97
Australia8 Posts
one day i can be streaming fine, on another i could be stuttering on 240p afaik there's no fixes for it other than dealing with it or refreshing every once in a while | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
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A Wild Sosd
Australia421 Posts
Source: Twitch CEO AMA | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
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Austria16289 Posts
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Blezza
United Kingdom191 Posts
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r1flEx
Belgium256 Posts
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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Demicore
France503 Posts
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emppp
Germany9 Posts
its just not possible to watch any big tournaments on twitch | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
Right click on stream->settings->local storage->set to 10 mb. now i have stutter on axeltoss stream | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On June 16 2013 22:27 Liman wrote: This helped a little for me (less stutter) Right click on stream->settings->local storage->set to 10 mb. now i have stutter on axeltoss stream Thank you very much ! <3 It works much better now  | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
But somehow after randomly changing it to 720p again it now works completely smoothly. Guess I just got lucky and got a closer/better server this time? Can't close stream the whole day now I guess :D | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
On June 16 2013 21:34 A Wild Sosd wrote: Twitch doesnt have enough data centers in EU. They are opening 3 more soon Source: Twitch CEO AMA Yeah i thought the issue would be something like this, makes sense. Thank god they are opening some more ;_; After reading that, he suggest that when it isn't "overloaded" in the EU with viewers, that it is fine, but when it reaches its current cap, then it overflows and you have to re route the stream to California/Kansas servers so thats when the lag occurs, but then it will be only for some people. + Show Spoiler [His Answer] + Question: How can you explain that all video data being streamed from EU gets routed to NA, Kansas/California and other states ?? Isn't this a major routing flaw in your product? This issue has been quite prevailing for the past couple of weeks and so far viewers have not received any official answers. Answer: When we run out of EU capacity, we spillover to the US rather than either A) overloading EU servers, or B) refusing to serve new viewers. We're opening 3 new datacenters shortly in the EU for just this reason. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
I am in NA and have really incredible lag sometimes, but then I relaunch the stream until it gives me a smooth connection. Usually it takes about 3 tries. | ||
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
On June 16 2013 22:43 sushiman wrote: They should just use a better stream service than Twitch, they're incapable of providing stable streams in Europe. Which makes it a bad choice for a Europe-based event, one would think. ~~ Or Twitch should use an established CDN themselves instead of trying to build out their own. They did add akamai CDN to their service at one time in the past when MLG was waffling between using them or using akamai directly. I don't think they use it any more so I guess they weren't satisfied with their reduced profit margins. It may be cheaper to use their own servers but it's obviously inferior and they will always be playing catchup when it comes to adding capacity. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On June 16 2013 22:53 Zaqwe wrote: Or Twitch should use an established CDN themselves instead of trying to build out their own. They did add akamai CDN to their service at one time in the past when MLG was waffling between using them or using akamai directly. I don't think they use it any more so I guess they weren't satisfied with their reduced profit margins. It may be cheaper to use their own servers but it's obviously inferior and they will always be playing catchup when it comes to adding capacity. Well normally you would expect them to use their own capacity, but also link with a CDN to provide spillover when required. It seems they have been too slow in building out their own capacity and also aren't making use of any third party CDN in the meantime, which means poor service for viewers. But hey, they have almost got a monopoly so unfortunately they don't need to care too much. | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
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mTwRINE
Germany318 Posts
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
On June 16 2013 23:05 Champloo wrote: I just hope e-sports events switch to other streaming sites. Twitch has had these problems during big events for almost a year now, I gave up hope they will ever fix this. unlikely for sc2 with the twitch requirement... | ||
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Icapica
Finland206 Posts
Weirdly all the streams work perfectly for me as long as I watch them thru tl.net, but if I accidentally click the stream and go to twitch.tv, it works awfully. | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On June 16 2013 23:42 Icapica wrote: Try refreshing a couple of times. You might get lucky and be connected to a server that works better for you. Weirdly all the streams work perfectly for me as long as I watch them thru tl.net, but if I accidentally click the stream and go to twitch.tv, it works awfully. Yeah, it is a good tip. Yesterday I tried to watch some games on twitch site and it was awful, chokes every 5-10 seconds... Today I'm watching via TL and works perfectly@720p. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
I am watching with 720+ without single lag...i think you guys should check you pcs...really. Why is it always an steam issue or twitch issue? I dont have an hardcore pc or big internet connection...no lag at all. Perfect stream for DH. I only use dreamhackTV Stream... | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:11 cutler wrote: after a couple of hours i finally arrived back home and turned on DH Stream and Team Liquid...no lag at all. I am watching with 720+ without single lag...i think you guys should check you pcs...really. Why is it always an steam issue or twitch issue? I dont have an hardcore pc or big internet connection...no lag at all. Perfect stream for DH. I only use dreamhackTV Stream... Are we really here again with the "it's fine for me, it's on your side" when its a known problem? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:12 Assirra wrote: Are we really here again with the "it's fine for me, it's on your side" when its a known problem? yeah..cause you guys only bash twitch cause you dont like em. Stream works fine here...thats what i am saying. :-) | ||
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:21 cutler wrote: yeah..cause you guys only bash twitch cause you dont like em. Stream works fine here...thats what i am saying. :-) No, we bash Twitch because it's a Twitch issue. When a significant number of people have the EXACT SAME issue, then the issue is likely not their fault. In this instance we know that it's a Twitch issue, because everyone has the same issue, and it doesn't matter what the end user does, including changing resolution. When 720p, 720, 480, 360 all do the exact same thing, and refreshing the stream enough times to get a different server fixes the issue, what do you think the cause of the problem is? Hint: it's Twitch. People are "bashing" Twitch because they are the problem. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6209 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:21 cutler wrote: yeah..cause you guys only bash twitch cause you dont like em. Stream works fine here...thats what i am saying. :-) lol dude the lag problem with Twitch has been here since forever. | ||
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StarMoon
Canada682 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
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Skawuscha
Austria110 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6209 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:29 StarBrift wrote: Yes it's basically unwatchable for me and all my swedish friends. I had to buy in game ticket to watch the dota stuff which I didnt mind that much but my friends were pissed. It's pretty sad that people in the country where it's broadcasted have to watch it with lag... | ||
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Proleter
Austria24 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
Why is Blizzard forcing all tournaments to use Twitch? | ||
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ex000r
Switzerland74 Posts
On June 16 2013 22:27 Liman wrote: This helped a little for me (less stutter) Right click on stream->settings->local storage->set to 10 mb. now i have stutter on axeltoss stream did not fix it completely for me but helped definitely | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:36 geokilla wrote: WP Twitch. WP. Why is Blizzard forcing all tournaments to use Twitch? They don't. This rule is only for tournaments that don't want to ask for a license from Blizzard. Before the tournament guidelines were updated, every tournament had to ask Blizzard for a license. So nothing has changed for them. And Twitch sponsors every bigger tournament anyway. So they won't use other services. | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:37 ex000r wrote: did not fix it completely for me but helped definitely Didnt improve anything for me. Still unwatchable. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:29 Skawuscha wrote: i hate twitch, last dreamhack i watched the stream was 1080p perfect quality... cant understand why everyone is working with them because they are an excellent service that's getting 3 new centers to fix this exact problem? | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:21 cutler wrote: yeah..cause you guys only bash twitch cause you dont like em. Stream works fine here...thats what i am saying. :-) Again, it is a known problem for god knows how long by now and even admitted by twitch itself and they are working on it. Are you really trying to say its people's PC that is at fault here when the company itself saids otherwise? | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On June 16 2013 22:27 Liman wrote: This helped a little for me (less stutter) Right click on stream->settings->local storage->set to 10 mb. I love yooou | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
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falafelnr1
Sweden444 Posts
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uh-oh
Hong Kong135 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On June 17 2013 02:50 falafelnr1 wrote: I got 100/100 connection in Sweden and even 480p stutters It's not your connection that's the bottleneck. | ||
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Nomzter
Sweden2802 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:03 Nomzter wrote: completly lag free at 240p, ty twitch. lucky you, even 240p laggs like a hell here. | ||
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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
Maybe they prioritize the first XXX.XXX viewers and then the rest goes on the small pile of lower rate? edit : viewing 720p + | ||
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canilsen
Norway286 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:19 WonnaPlay wrote: Hmm, I haven't had any problems today at all. I did tune in very early though. Yesterday I had alot of lag when I came online around 18:00 CET. Maybe they prioritize the first XXX.XXX viewers and then the rest goes on the small pile of lower rate? edit : viewing 720p + yup, when the EU servers are full, people get redirected to twitch servers in NA | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
On June 16 2013 22:41 Pandemona wrote: Yeah i thought the issue would be something like this, makes sense. Thank god they are opening some more ;_; After reading that, he suggest that when it isn't "overloaded" in the EU with viewers, that it is fine, but when it reaches its current cap, then it overflows and you have to re route the stream to California/Kansas servers so thats when the lag occurs, but then it will be only for some people. + Show Spoiler [His Answer] + Question: How can you explain that all video data being streamed from EU gets routed to NA, Kansas/California and other states ?? Isn't this a major routing flaw in your product? This issue has been quite prevailing for the past couple of weeks and so far viewers have not received any official answers. Answer: When we run out of EU capacity, we spillover to the US rather than either A) overloading EU servers, or B) refusing to serve new viewers. We're opening 3 new datacenters shortly in the EU for just this reason. The problem is, however, that Twitch has been opening new data centers for 2 and a half years. The service has been horribly broken more often than not, which is a shame and a real issue | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On June 16 2013 21:34 A Wild Sosd wrote: Twitch doesnt have enough data centers in EU. They are opening 3 more soon Source: Twitch CEO AMA oh thought they already added them and was quiet worried haha. Anyway try different qualities if you have this stuttering, even the better quality might be lag free (yesterday it was 720p, today its another quality that works well for me heh). And twitch might not like it, but don't watch 10 streams at once xD. | ||
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Ireniicas
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
Kinda awesome also when you're at Dreamhack and trying to watch Twitch stream, but not working at all, despite the LOADS of twitch tv ad posters all over the place, and the fastest internet in the world. A great sponsor for the event indeed. | ||
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MagnuMizer
Denmark384 Posts
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
(Germany, Lower Saxony, Kabel Deutschland 32mb down and 2mb up). Having no other issues with my connection atm and turned into the Swedish, non-twitch stream for the Thorzain vs Naniwa game and it ran perfectly fine. I have zero faith in twitch that this shit will get better anytime soon... meaning not within the next couple years. | ||
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Serpico
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On June 17 2013 04:03 MagnuMizer wrote: Yeah i noticed it a bit, but i switched between the resolutions and after a while it just sorta stopped happening.... Other people probably ragequit and gave you some more bandwidth.. | ||
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s00pr
Sweden94 Posts
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reki-
Netherlands327 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
They have too few data centers in Europe, so viewers in Europe have to deal with this shit at the peak viewing hours. Mostly on sundays and whenever there is a big event. Twitch has been bad for years for European viewers and it has gotten worse after own3d died. With own3d viewers from the US had the same problems and it was fine for EU. | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:29 Skawuscha wrote: i hate twitch, last dreamhack i watched the stream was 1080p perfect quality... cant understand why everyone is working with them Cause it's a) the best available and b) they throw a ton of money into sponsoring said tournaments which helps grow esports. So maybe you should just stop complaining and realize those as facts. | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
edit: @ 720+ on a 6Mbit DSL line (best I can get here other than cable) | ||
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Beyond Magic
Finland130 Posts
this helped me, smooth 720p now, you might need to reset your router/computer. it will lag for a short while when you open the stream but it will set down. hope it helps | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 17 2013 05:38 Catatonic wrote: Cause it's a) the best available and b) they throw a ton of money into sponsoring said tournaments which helps grow esports. So maybe you should just stop complaining and realize those as facts. Call me a selfish bastard but i don't care about any of that if i can't watch the tournament. | ||
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Prox
Netherlands174 Posts
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
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daihenka
Australia2 Posts
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cost2010
Germany46 Posts
On June 16 2013 22:53 Zaqwe wrote: Or Twitch should use an established CDN themselves instead of trying to build out their own. They did add akamai CDN to their service at one time in the past when MLG was waffling between using them or using akamai directly. I don't think they use it any more so I guess they weren't satisfied with their reduced profit margins. It may be cheaper to use their own servers but it's obviously inferior and they will always be playing catchup when it comes to adding capacity. you may find this post interesting: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/17o18a/own3dtv_files_for_bankruptcy_cannot_repay_all/ | ||
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furo
Germany449 Posts
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On June 17 2013 17:23 namste wrote: Twitch has been awful for most of Europe lately. Yep. | ||
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On June 17 2013 17:23 namste wrote: Twitch has been awful for most of Europe lately. Oh please, you have no idea how many or how little viewers in europe have had problems. Speak for yourself, not for the millions of twitch users in europe, when only ~2000, have voiced themselves. European twitch viewers have had problems with twitch, during peak hours - Correct Most european twitch viewers have had problems with tiwtch, during peak hours - A wild guess, maybe correct, maybe not. But unsupported info = bad info. | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
What i have noticed is that the adverts during the streams are silky smooth every time, so personally i think this is twitch throttling the bandwidth | ||
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Herper
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works quite well | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
Eliminates a lot of lag due to not having to use crappy flash player. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17iro7/desktop_live_streamer_an_easy_way_to_watch_live/ | ||
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WetSocks
United States953 Posts
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furo
Germany449 Posts
On June 17 2013 17:35 kaluro wrote: Oh please, you have no idea how many or how little viewers in europe have had problems. Speak for yourself, not for the millions of twitch users in europe, when only ~2000, have voiced themselves. European twitch viewers have had problems with twitch, during peak hours - Correct Most european twitch viewers have had problems with tiwtch, during peak hours - A wild guess, maybe correct, maybe not. But unsupported info = bad info. well we can only discuss the stuff we have numbers on. and i know that this are just 50 ppl but it gives a tendecy. On June 17 2013 17:29 nkr wrote: Would be interesting to see how twitch has been to the european audience during this event; there's been a lot of complaints. Personally day one was fine, while day two was unwatchable at points. Poll: For Europeans: How has your twitch experience been? A lot of problems (82) Slightly problematic (41) Unwatchable (20) No problems (18) 161 total votes Your vote: For Europeans: How has your twitch experience been? (Vote): No problems | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
On June 17 2013 17:35 kaluro wrote: Oh please, you have no idea how many or how little viewers in europe have had problems. Speak for yourself, not for the millions of twitch users in europe, when only ~2000, have voiced themselves. European twitch viewers have had problems with twitch, during peak hours - Correct Most european twitch viewers have had problems with tiwtch, during peak hours - A wild guess, maybe correct, maybe not. But unsupported info = bad info. So because everyone that has lags doesn't post on TL means a minority of people have lags ? Twitch has been stuttering for me all week-end -only twitch obviously when azubu.tv was up for LoL it was perfectly fine- and it is the same for ALL of my friends. Do they all post on TL? No. Hell you just have to check the awful twitch chat for 15 seconds to understand the problem is widespread. Twitch themselves acknowledged it, all we can do is wait (and complain I guess so we feel a little better). | ||
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Prox
Netherlands174 Posts
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furo
Germany449 Posts
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Nimelrian
Germany142 Posts
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
On June 17 2013 18:00 Technique wrote: Use desktop live streamer. Eliminates a lot of lag due to not having to use crappy flash player. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17iro7/desktop_live_streamer_an_easy_way_to_watch_live/ Thanks for the link.I will definitely try it out. As an update DH has been really good so far via twitch | ||
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ApocAlypsE007
Israel1007 Posts
EDIT: DH started to lag for me also -_- | ||
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asdfou420
Korea (North)49 Posts
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On June 17 2013 18:11 RouaF wrote: So because everyone that has lags doesn't post on TL means a minority of people have lags ? Twitch has been stuttering for me all week-end -only twitch obviously when azubu.tv was up for LoL it was perfectly fine- and it is the same for ALL of my friends. Do they all post on TL? No. Hell you just have to check the awful twitch chat for 15 seconds to understand the problem is widespread. Twitch themselves acknowledged it, all we can do is wait (and complain I guess so we feel a little better). No it doesn't say that a minority of the europeans have lag issues, but it also doesn't state that a majority have lag issues. All we know is that europeans have issues, not how many or how little. | ||
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BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
On June 17 2013 17:35 kaluro wrote: Oh please, you have no idea how many or how little viewers in europe have had problems. Speak for yourself, not for the millions of twitch users in europe, when only ~2000, have voiced themselves. European twitch viewers have had problems with twitch, during peak hours - Correct Most european twitch viewers have had problems with tiwtch, during peak hours - A wild guess, maybe correct, maybe not. But unsupported info = bad info. Oh only ~2000 have voiced themselves. Thanks for this fact (=good info) | ||
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Onox
United States1072 Posts
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
Unfortunate. | ||
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
On June 17 2013 17:35 kaluro wrote: Oh please, you have no idea how many or how little viewers in europe have had problems. Speak for yourself, not for the millions of twitch users in europe, when only ~2000, have voiced themselves. European twitch viewers have had problems with twitch, during peak hours - Correct Most european twitch viewers have had problems with tiwtch, during peak hours - A wild guess, maybe correct, maybe not. But unsupported info = bad info. x) such nonsense. Twitch just is fucking horrid. I've been watching from dozens and dozens of places in Europe, and it's always the same crap. Just about every single person I've talked to has confirmed this experience. Edit: seriously, you accuse him of having no idea and then start spewing random numbers? | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
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GudulesmSC2
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Marutuk
France27 Posts
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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75
Germany4057 Posts
http://www.svtplay.se/video/1271079/dreamhack-open | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
On June 17 2013 23:23 75 wrote: for all the people with problems on twitch http://www.svtplay.se/video/1271079/dreamhack-open SVT to the rescue! Swedish tax payers' money > Twitch. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On June 17 2013 17:35 kaluro wrote: Oh please, you have no idea how many or how little viewers in europe have had problems. Speak for yourself, not for the millions of twitch users in europe, when only ~2000, have voiced themselves. European twitch viewers have had problems with twitch, during peak hours - Correct Most european twitch viewers have had problems with tiwtch, during peak hours - A wild guess, maybe correct, maybe not. But unsupported info = bad info. When the company itself saids they need new equipment and admitting fault, you can be pretty sure its not a small minority, those can get simply ignored. | ||
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p1oneer
Latvia50 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
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ArhK
France287 Posts
Having a 100mb connection and not being able to watch the tournament even in 360p is pretty infuriating to be honest... :-(. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On June 17 2013 23:28 Ctesias wrote: SVT to the rescue! Swedish tax payers' money > Twitch. Lol, why didn't I think of that earlier haha! | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
Hopefully I wont have any problems during the finals, that would suck. | ||
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p1oneer
Latvia50 Posts
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strength
United States493 Posts
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
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NKB
United Kingdom608 Posts
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Niko_Thien
Germany2671 Posts
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
On June 18 2013 05:19 Broodwurst wrote: For the first time now i'm getting lots of video stuttering, too. Audio is fine I believe some of this is in-game. It didn't seem like normal stream-lag. That being said, it was odd that neither of the players wanted to pause if this was the case. | ||
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sLideSC2
United States225 Posts
On June 18 2013 05:32 Ichabod wrote: I believe some of this is in-game. It didn't seem like normal stream-lag. That being said, it was odd that neither of the players wanted to pause if this was the case. couldve been only the obs lagging, not the players | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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Excelion
Bulgaria59 Posts
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
I can live with 2 sec. stuttering every 3 minutes. I think that a lot of people are overexaggerating, and will say all hell got loose when they get a stutter every 3 min, they're spoiled and too easily annoyed/frustrated  . I could be wrong on that though - It's my guess, not a fact. But history has learned me that blowing complaints out of orbit is nothing new, it even happens at my job. Customers will complain, saying X or Y had huuuuge consequences, while it was a minor inconvenience. Stab through the bubble and you'll find yourself in a whole different more accurate world. Once the LoL stream was over, the lag disappeared completely and I could watch 720p+ completely lagless! | ||
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