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there will be upsets for sure, with a bo1 format...
and it will pisses off all foreigners fans.
Why blizzard has even given a chance to OGN if they knew that they will doing shit like that ? worst finale ever for what had to be one of the 4 best tournament of the year, and now that ???
Maybe Blizzard wants to hype SC2 in korea, but at what cost ? GOM is doing great with SC2 since the release, now i think blizzard definitly had to give all WCS to GOM
OGN achieved something impossible : make us forget how shitty NA finals were :/
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
So basically I don't care about who wins this at all since Bo1 is completely random. People who might be championship contenders can be caught off guard by a no brain no skill cheese and be eliminated in the first round. Great.
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France9034 Posts
On June 13 2013 15:59 VManOfMana wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Why are OGN involved in this thing again? WCS Korea, and the WCS finals, would of been so much better if Gretech had done it all. On June 13 2013 14:39 vesicular wrote:
I seem to remember people pissing and moaning about Proleague when they found out the format after it switched to SC2 as well. In fact, you could probably just copy this thread and change "OSL" to "PL" and it would probably be the same thing. People eventually came around.
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. We experienced an SC2 OSL last year and it was bad. You can't compare the level of KeSPA players during the first OSL (fresh from dual proleague) and now. Show nested quote +The GSL used to use best of 1 in early 2011. It was changed because it is an inferior format. Starcraft 2 in 2011 was a complete joke. Especially the map pool. Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 15:23 hzflank wrote:
No idea about what? Ofcourse Gom will do season 3, we already knew that and it is completely irrelevant.
So what do I not have any idea about? Are you trying to tell me that the OSL last year was as good as any of the GSL?
And why should people like me not complain? Gretech has done a great job for the last couple of years and have tweaked their format to make it better for us viewers. OGN is using a format without even considering what the viewers want to see. Best case is the results are the same but we get to watch less games, which makes it lose/lose. Have you considered you are *not* OGN's main target audience? It's not like there was no eSports before SC2 or you came in.
So OGN main target audience is BW viewers that switched to SC2 ? And to be sure not to miss this huge core audience, they want to keep a format that involves more luck, in a game that's known to have a bit more luck involved as well than BW ?
I completely fail to understand what could possibly justify that. "Conserving uniformity" ? Well, keep your crappy format then.
Oh, and the fact that SC2 was a joke in 2011 is completely irrelevant, we talk about production quality.
OT: Same as the first SC2 OSL. Will watch a few matches, then wait for the finals, hoping for something interesting to watch..
Either improve, OGN, or please give that back to Gretech. GSL may not have the holy aura of BW behind it. It may not have the huuuuuge audience of OGN by many times. Still, it's been far better watching GSL than OSL so far in SC2. And the massive influx of KeSPA players made it even better.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 13 2013 16:16 Glioburd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 15:54 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 15:51 ZenithM wrote:On June 13 2013 15:50 Zealously wrote:On June 13 2013 15:46 ZenithM wrote:
Let Protoss have their moment of glory man, they're not winning shit otherwise :D They won't win any way, not with Life and Innovation both in the tournament B-but, you don't understand man, Protoss are going to roach-bane cheese all-in Life and Innovation out of the tournament. That's what this thread has taught me at least. Ah yes, and SC2 has too much variance and bad players will advance It's funnt because it's true.
It's not like crazy upsets didn't happen in Brood War, though - there will always be players advancing who are believed to be inferior.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 13 2013 16:21 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 15:59 VManOfMana wrote:On June 13 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Why are OGN involved in this thing again? WCS Korea, and the WCS finals, would of been so much better if Gretech had done it all. On June 13 2013 14:39 vesicular wrote:
I seem to remember people pissing and moaning about Proleague when they found out the format after it switched to SC2 as well. In fact, you could probably just copy this thread and change "OSL" to "PL" and it would probably be the same thing. People eventually came around.
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. We experienced an SC2 OSL last year and it was bad. You can't compare the level of KeSPA players during the first OSL (fresh from dual proleague) and now. The GSL used to use best of 1 in early 2011. It was changed because it is an inferior format. Starcraft 2 in 2011 was a complete joke. Especially the map pool. On June 13 2013 15:23 hzflank wrote:
No idea about what? Ofcourse Gom will do season 3, we already knew that and it is completely irrelevant.
So what do I not have any idea about? Are you trying to tell me that the OSL last year was as good as any of the GSL?
And why should people like me not complain? Gretech has done a great job for the last couple of years and have tweaked their format to make it better for us viewers. OGN is using a format without even considering what the viewers want to see. Best case is the results are the same but we get to watch less games, which makes it lose/lose. Have you considered you are *not* OGN's main target audience? It's not like there was no eSports before SC2 or you came in. So OGN main target audience is BW viewers that switched to SC2 ?
Their main audience is Korea, since they broadcast on TV.
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On June 13 2013 16:00 ACrow wrote:
Why would they make Ro32 Bo1? That's really, really, incredibly stupid. I thought they had to copy the proven GSL format, instead of making shitty modifications of their own again. That makes me really angry.
Meh, now that my annoyance at their territorial alpha male butchering of the format just for the sake of it is out of the way:
H: Rain, Keen: Bomber will be in choke mode early this tournament, I feel.
They use their proven OSL Format.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 13 2013 16:25 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:21 Ragnarork wrote:On June 13 2013 15:59 VManOfMana wrote:On June 13 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Why are OGN involved in this thing again? WCS Korea, and the WCS finals, would of been so much better if Gretech had done it all. On June 13 2013 14:39 vesicular wrote:
I seem to remember people pissing and moaning about Proleague when they found out the format after it switched to SC2 as well. In fact, you could probably just copy this thread and change "OSL" to "PL" and it would probably be the same thing. People eventually came around.
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. We experienced an SC2 OSL last year and it was bad. You can't compare the level of KeSPA players during the first OSL (fresh from dual proleague) and now. The GSL used to use best of 1 in early 2011. It was changed because it is an inferior format. Starcraft 2 in 2011 was a complete joke. Especially the map pool. On June 13 2013 15:23 hzflank wrote:
No idea about what? Ofcourse Gom will do season 3, we already knew that and it is completely irrelevant.
So what do I not have any idea about? Are you trying to tell me that the OSL last year was as good as any of the GSL?
And why should people like me not complain? Gretech has done a great job for the last couple of years and have tweaked their format to make it better for us viewers. OGN is using a format without even considering what the viewers want to see. Best case is the results are the same but we get to watch less games, which makes it lose/lose. Have you considered you are *not* OGN's main target audience? It's not like there was no eSports before SC2 or you came in. So OGN main target audience is BW viewers that switched to SC2 ? Their main audience is Korea, since they broadcast on TV.
And Koreans prefer Bo1 where there's a much higher chance that inferior players make it through on the back of silly cheese, mindgames, build order wins, you name it?
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so BO1 games on new maps? should be interesting matches lol
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France9034 Posts
On June 13 2013 16:28 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:00 ACrow wrote:
Why would they make Ro32 Bo1? That's really, really, incredibly stupid. I thought they had to copy the proven GSL format, instead of making shitty modifications of their own again. That makes me really angry.
Meh, now that my annoyance at their territorial alpha male butchering of the format just for the sake of it is out of the way:
H: Rain, Keen: Bomber will be in choke mode early this tournament, I feel. They use their proven OSL Format.
Bo1 is proven to be utter crap in solo leagues. I sense a conflict there...
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On June 13 2013 16:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:25 lichter wrote:On June 13 2013 16:21 Ragnarork wrote:On June 13 2013 15:59 VManOfMana wrote:On June 13 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Why are OGN involved in this thing again? WCS Korea, and the WCS finals, would of been so much better if Gretech had done it all. On June 13 2013 14:39 vesicular wrote:
I seem to remember people pissing and moaning about Proleague when they found out the format after it switched to SC2 as well. In fact, you could probably just copy this thread and change "OSL" to "PL" and it would probably be the same thing. People eventually came around.
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. We experienced an SC2 OSL last year and it was bad. You can't compare the level of KeSPA players during the first OSL (fresh from dual proleague) and now. The GSL used to use best of 1 in early 2011. It was changed because it is an inferior format. Starcraft 2 in 2011 was a complete joke. Especially the map pool. On June 13 2013 15:23 hzflank wrote:
No idea about what? Ofcourse Gom will do season 3, we already knew that and it is completely irrelevant.
So what do I not have any idea about? Are you trying to tell me that the OSL last year was as good as any of the GSL?
And why should people like me not complain? Gretech has done a great job for the last couple of years and have tweaked their format to make it better for us viewers. OGN is using a format without even considering what the viewers want to see. Best case is the results are the same but we get to watch less games, which makes it lose/lose. Have you considered you are *not* OGN's main target audience? It's not like there was no eSports before SC2 or you came in. So OGN main target audience is BW viewers that switched to SC2 ? Their main audience is Korea, since they broadcast on TV. And Koreans prefer Bo1 where there's a much higher chance that inferior players make it through on the back of silly cheese, mindgames, build order wins, you name it?
jesus fucking christ there is a reason nada was in every fucking single MSL he played. and fucking jaedong flash and all these people keep staying in the fucking OSL/MSL even if they get knocked out early.
if these peopel are soooooooooooo much better they will fucking qualify.
jesus christ u guys act like Flash soulkey innovation life all get knocked out and we get a fucking Shine vs hyvaa final or something.
Fucking Flash got knocked out in MSL vs 2 "inferior" players. and i know u will think it was fucking cheese. but no it was 2 fucking 40min TvT games.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 13 2013 16:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:25 lichter wrote:On June 13 2013 16:21 Ragnarork wrote:On June 13 2013 15:59 VManOfMana wrote:On June 13 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Why are OGN involved in this thing again? WCS Korea, and the WCS finals, would of been so much better if Gretech had done it all. On June 13 2013 14:39 vesicular wrote:
I seem to remember people pissing and moaning about Proleague when they found out the format after it switched to SC2 as well. In fact, you could probably just copy this thread and change "OSL" to "PL" and it would probably be the same thing. People eventually came around.
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. We experienced an SC2 OSL last year and it was bad. You can't compare the level of KeSPA players during the first OSL (fresh from dual proleague) and now. The GSL used to use best of 1 in early 2011. It was changed because it is an inferior format. Starcraft 2 in 2011 was a complete joke. Especially the map pool. On June 13 2013 15:23 hzflank wrote:
No idea about what? Ofcourse Gom will do season 3, we already knew that and it is completely irrelevant.
So what do I not have any idea about? Are you trying to tell me that the OSL last year was as good as any of the GSL?
And why should people like me not complain? Gretech has done a great job for the last couple of years and have tweaked their format to make it better for us viewers. OGN is using a format without even considering what the viewers want to see. Best case is the results are the same but we get to watch less games, which makes it lose/lose. Have you considered you are *not* OGN's main target audience? It's not like there was no eSports before SC2 or you came in. So OGN main target audience is BW viewers that switched to SC2 ? Their main audience is Korea, since they broadcast on TV. And Koreans prefer Bo1 where there's a much higher chance that inferior players make it through on the back of silly cheese, mindgames, build order wins, you name it?
They are trying to retain their OGN Starleague branding, which has some cachet with the Korean audience. "Different game, same league" is what they are trying to tell them, to get them interested in Starcraft again.
Not saying their decision is correct or anything, just explaining what it is.
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any info on the exact times when the groups will be played?
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On June 13 2013 16:31 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:25 lichter wrote:On June 13 2013 16:21 Ragnarork wrote:On June 13 2013 15:59 VManOfMana wrote:On June 13 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Why are OGN involved in this thing again? WCS Korea, and the WCS finals, would of been so much better if Gretech had done it all. On June 13 2013 14:39 vesicular wrote:
I seem to remember people pissing and moaning about Proleague when they found out the format after it switched to SC2 as well. In fact, you could probably just copy this thread and change "OSL" to "PL" and it would probably be the same thing. People eventually came around.
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. We experienced an SC2 OSL last year and it was bad. You can't compare the level of KeSPA players during the first OSL (fresh from dual proleague) and now. The GSL used to use best of 1 in early 2011. It was changed because it is an inferior format. Starcraft 2 in 2011 was a complete joke. Especially the map pool. On June 13 2013 15:23 hzflank wrote:
No idea about what? Ofcourse Gom will do season 3, we already knew that and it is completely irrelevant.
So what do I not have any idea about? Are you trying to tell me that the OSL last year was as good as any of the GSL?
And why should people like me not complain? Gretech has done a great job for the last couple of years and have tweaked their format to make it better for us viewers. OGN is using a format without even considering what the viewers want to see. Best case is the results are the same but we get to watch less games, which makes it lose/lose. Have you considered you are *not* OGN's main target audience? It's not like there was no eSports before SC2 or you came in. So OGN main target audience is BW viewers that switched to SC2 ? Their main audience is Korea, since they broadcast on TV. And Koreans prefer Bo1 where there's a much higher chance that inferior players make it through on the back of silly cheese, mindgames, build order wins, you name it? jesus fucking christ there is a reason nada was in every fucking single MSL he played. and fucking jaedong flash and all these people keep staying in the fucking OSL/MSL even if they get knocked out early. if these peopel are soooooooooooo much better they will fucking qualify. jesus christ u guys act like Flash soulkey innovation life all get knocked out and we get a fucking Shine vs hyvaa final or something.
1) chill out.
2) there's a much much higher chance of that happening with Bo1 format. And, as people have stated a million times by now, this isn't Brood War. There's more randomness in SC2. AND this OSL is a qualifier for WCS which means it's not just "oh well, this OSL sucked because the best players lost to Bo1". No, it'd be "goddamnit, it's bad enough that this guy did well in OSL just because of Bo1 but that actually qualifies him for the season finals too? Well."
It's dumb and it's retarded and it's brainless to keep a tradition just for tradition's sake. Like, I could absolutely take a game off Flash in a Bo1. I could proxy gate him and hope he goes CC first and win. ME.
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On June 13 2013 16:31 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:25 lichter wrote:On June 13 2013 16:21 Ragnarork wrote:On June 13 2013 15:59 VManOfMana wrote:On June 13 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Why are OGN involved in this thing again? WCS Korea, and the WCS finals, would of been so much better if Gretech had done it all. On June 13 2013 14:39 vesicular wrote:
I seem to remember people pissing and moaning about Proleague when they found out the format after it switched to SC2 as well. In fact, you could probably just copy this thread and change "OSL" to "PL" and it would probably be the same thing. People eventually came around.
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. We experienced an SC2 OSL last year and it was bad. You can't compare the level of KeSPA players during the first OSL (fresh from dual proleague) and now. The GSL used to use best of 1 in early 2011. It was changed because it is an inferior format. Starcraft 2 in 2011 was a complete joke. Especially the map pool. On June 13 2013 15:23 hzflank wrote:
No idea about what? Ofcourse Gom will do season 3, we already knew that and it is completely irrelevant.
So what do I not have any idea about? Are you trying to tell me that the OSL last year was as good as any of the GSL?
And why should people like me not complain? Gretech has done a great job for the last couple of years and have tweaked their format to make it better for us viewers. OGN is using a format without even considering what the viewers want to see. Best case is the results are the same but we get to watch less games, which makes it lose/lose. Have you considered you are *not* OGN's main target audience? It's not like there was no eSports before SC2 or you came in. So OGN main target audience is BW viewers that switched to SC2 ? Their main audience is Korea, since they broadcast on TV. And Koreans prefer Bo1 where there's a much higher chance that inferior players make it through on the back of silly cheese, mindgames, build order wins, you name it? jesus fucking christ there is a reason nada was in every fucking single MSL he played. and fucking jaedong flash and all these people keep staying in the fucking OSL/MSL even if they get knocked out early. if these peopel are soooooooooooo much better they will fucking qualify. jesus christ u guys act like Flash soulkey innovation life all get knocked out and we get a fucking Shine vs hyvaa final or something. Fucking Flash got knocked out in MSL vs 2 "inferior" players. and i know u will think it was fucking cheese. but no it was 2 fucking 40min TvT games.
I'm looking forward to Shine vs Hyvaa finals now.
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France9034 Posts
On June 13 2013 16:31 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:25 lichter wrote:On June 13 2013 16:21 Ragnarork wrote:On June 13 2013 15:59 VManOfMana wrote:On June 13 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Why are OGN involved in this thing again? WCS Korea, and the WCS finals, would of been so much better if Gretech had done it all. On June 13 2013 14:39 vesicular wrote:
I seem to remember people pissing and moaning about Proleague when they found out the format after it switched to SC2 as well. In fact, you could probably just copy this thread and change "OSL" to "PL" and it would probably be the same thing. People eventually came around.
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. We experienced an SC2 OSL last year and it was bad. You can't compare the level of KeSPA players during the first OSL (fresh from dual proleague) and now. The GSL used to use best of 1 in early 2011. It was changed because it is an inferior format. Starcraft 2 in 2011 was a complete joke. Especially the map pool. On June 13 2013 15:23 hzflank wrote:
No idea about what? Ofcourse Gom will do season 3, we already knew that and it is completely irrelevant.
So what do I not have any idea about? Are you trying to tell me that the OSL last year was as good as any of the GSL?
And why should people like me not complain? Gretech has done a great job for the last couple of years and have tweaked their format to make it better for us viewers. OGN is using a format without even considering what the viewers want to see. Best case is the results are the same but we get to watch less games, which makes it lose/lose. Have you considered you are *not* OGN's main target audience? It's not like there was no eSports before SC2 or you came in. So OGN main target audience is BW viewers that switched to SC2 ? Their main audience is Korea, since they broadcast on TV. And Koreans prefer Bo1 where there's a much higher chance that inferior players make it through on the back of silly cheese, mindgames, build order wins, you name it? jesus fucking christ there is a reason nada was in every fucking single MSL he played. and fucking jaedong flash and all these people keep staying in the fucking OSL/MSL even if they get knocked out early. if these peopel are soooooooooooo much better they will fucking qualify. jesus christ u guys act like Flash soulkey innovation life all get knocked out and we get a fucking Shine vs hyvaa final or something.
And Nada was "just good" ? Same for Flash, JD ? As I see things, these were quite far above the pack...
Now, take SC2 where there is a bit more luck involved than BW, add to that the fact that nobody dominates the game as much as the players you mentionned dominated in their prime (yes, even INnoVation isn't on that level yet imo).
There, you have the reasons why this won't work as you expect. Plus, if it worked with Bo1, then it will work even better with Bo3 as far as "the better player wins" opposed to "a coinflip decides" (though even Bo3s allow upset on the back of "coinflippy" builds).
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On June 13 2013 16:36 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:31 rasers wrote:On June 13 2013 16:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:25 lichter wrote:On June 13 2013 16:21 Ragnarork wrote:On June 13 2013 15:59 VManOfMana wrote:On June 13 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Why are OGN involved in this thing again? WCS Korea, and the WCS finals, would of been so much better if Gretech had done it all. On June 13 2013 14:39 vesicular wrote:
I seem to remember people pissing and moaning about Proleague when they found out the format after it switched to SC2 as well. In fact, you could probably just copy this thread and change "OSL" to "PL" and it would probably be the same thing. People eventually came around.
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. We experienced an SC2 OSL last year and it was bad. You can't compare the level of KeSPA players during the first OSL (fresh from dual proleague) and now. The GSL used to use best of 1 in early 2011. It was changed because it is an inferior format. Starcraft 2 in 2011 was a complete joke. Especially the map pool. On June 13 2013 15:23 hzflank wrote:
No idea about what? Ofcourse Gom will do season 3, we already knew that and it is completely irrelevant.
So what do I not have any idea about? Are you trying to tell me that the OSL last year was as good as any of the GSL?
And why should people like me not complain? Gretech has done a great job for the last couple of years and have tweaked their format to make it better for us viewers. OGN is using a format without even considering what the viewers want to see. Best case is the results are the same but we get to watch less games, which makes it lose/lose. Have you considered you are *not* OGN's main target audience? It's not like there was no eSports before SC2 or you came in. So OGN main target audience is BW viewers that switched to SC2 ? Their main audience is Korea, since they broadcast on TV. And Koreans prefer Bo1 where there's a much higher chance that inferior players make it through on the back of silly cheese, mindgames, build order wins, you name it? jesus fucking christ there is a reason nada was in every fucking single MSL he played. and fucking jaedong flash and all these people keep staying in the fucking OSL/MSL even if they get knocked out early. if these peopel are soooooooooooo much better they will fucking qualify. jesus christ u guys act like Flash soulkey innovation life all get knocked out and we get a fucking Shine vs hyvaa final or something. And Nada was "just good" ? Same for Flash, JD ? As I see things, these were quite far above the pack...
But it was just a bo1. sooner or later some of them must just die 2 a random cheese no? or are u saying these guys are so good they don't lose 2 stupid cheese. WOOOOOOOHO.
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On June 13 2013 16:40 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 16:36 Ragnarork wrote:On June 13 2013 16:31 rasers wrote:On June 13 2013 16:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 13 2013 16:25 lichter wrote:On June 13 2013 16:21 Ragnarork wrote:On June 13 2013 15:59 VManOfMana wrote:On June 13 2013 15:15 hzflank wrote:Why are OGN involved in this thing again? WCS Korea, and the WCS finals, would of been so much better if Gretech had done it all. On June 13 2013 14:39 vesicular wrote:
I seem to remember people pissing and moaning about Proleague when they found out the format after it switched to SC2 as well. In fact, you could probably just copy this thread and change "OSL" to "PL" and it would probably be the same thing. People eventually came around.
Like most things, people are just overreacting because they haven't experienced it. OSL is wonderful, tense and dramatic and has been the premier SC tournament for a decade for a reason. We experienced an SC2 OSL last year and it was bad. You can't compare the level of KeSPA players during the first OSL (fresh from dual proleague) and now. The GSL used to use best of 1 in early 2011. It was changed because it is an inferior format. Starcraft 2 in 2011 was a complete joke. Especially the map pool. On June 13 2013 15:23 hzflank wrote:
No idea about what? Ofcourse Gom will do season 3, we already knew that and it is completely irrelevant.
So what do I not have any idea about? Are you trying to tell me that the OSL last year was as good as any of the GSL?
And why should people like me not complain? Gretech has done a great job for the last couple of years and have tweaked their format to make it better for us viewers. OGN is using a format without even considering what the viewers want to see. Best case is the results are the same but we get to watch less games, which makes it lose/lose. Have you considered you are *not* OGN's main target audience? It's not like there was no eSports before SC2 or you came in. So OGN main target audience is BW viewers that switched to SC2 ? Their main audience is Korea, since they broadcast on TV. And Koreans prefer Bo1 where there's a much higher chance that inferior players make it through on the back of silly cheese, mindgames, build order wins, you name it? jesus fucking christ there is a reason nada was in every fucking single MSL he played. and fucking jaedong flash and all these people keep staying in the fucking OSL/MSL even if they get knocked out early. if these peopel are soooooooooooo much better they will fucking qualify. jesus christ u guys act like Flash soulkey innovation life all get knocked out and we get a fucking Shine vs hyvaa final or something. And Nada was "just good" ? Same for Flash, JD ? As I see things, these were quite far above the pack... But it was just a bo1. sooner or later some of them must just die 2 a random cheese no? or are u saying these guys are so good they don't lose 2 stupid cheese. WOOOOOOOHO.
really, they never lost to stupid cheeses? i haven't watched every BW game but i would be insanely surprised if that has never happened at least a few times
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
I'm just waiting for that protoss heavy group. PvP Bo1 is how every tournament should be played
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People are being so ridiculous about this. First of all, just because it's Bo1 doesn't mean that it's "totally random" who's going to win. If it was that random, then inferior players would just cheese every game in a Bo3 as well and it'd still be totally random who'd make it through.
Secondly, what about Proleague? If Bo1 is so stupid and all that happens is the inferior player takes out the better player all the time, why are players like Flash, Bogus, Soulkey, Rain, etc, so dominant in Proleague? Why aren't we seeing them just going 50% because Bo1 is so random?
Thirdly, where exactly is the proof that things are so terrible in a Bo1 format? From the previous OSL, where the better players generally advanced? Or from two years ago, when the game was played completely differently? Calm the shit down and wait to see what happens.
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On June 13 2013 16:42 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm just waiting for that protoss heavy group. PvP Bo1 is how every tournament should be played
I'm prepared to throw my monitor out the window when squirtle loses PvP's to BO losses and gets knocked out.
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