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ValM
Profile Joined May 2010
India408 Posts
June 15 2013 13:51 GMT
#61
On June 11 2013 06:41 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 12:46 Popkiller wrote:
On June 10 2013 12:32 ShowTheLights wrote:
MMA got baneling busted way, too, fucking, much (or that 7-9 roach pressure that would ALWAYS,99.9% do critical dmg) in WOL

Most frustrating part of being an MMA fan, so funny that Soulkey trained with MMA, I can totally see it now after watching the finals

p.s. Somebody tell Artosis that Soulkey trained mainly with MMA and it'll shut him up about the MMA hate


Artosis will never like MMA, as long as MMA chooses bio over mech.

It doesn't help that MMA was basically winning because he was simply better at multitasking than anyone else (especially TvZ). Not that I'm trying to take anything away from him, but his strength was always his multitasking, not his builds or strategy or whatever. It wasn't even his micro like MKP, although he was really good at micro; it was that he played a style that Zerg players simply didn't know how to beat. But then everyone started doing drops, even Protoss players like Hero, and Zergs gradually got better at dealing with them through better Overlord spread, better Creep spread, and liberal use of static defense. Now that people have accustomed to that and there isn't such a gap in mechanics, he's fallen by the wayside. His style just isn't very good anymore, and his builds aren't particularly innovative. It has nothing to do with hate, honestly.


To say that the time MMA was at the top was mainly due to his multitasking and because other players hadn't caught on in mechanics is pretty ignorant imo. His superior multitasking was a bonus and more like an icing on the cake in otherwise a player who was a complete package be his micro or macro. And also that the TvZ he played wasnt any different from what everyone else was doing except that he played that style to its most efficient form.

The reason for his decline is I believe a combination of factors. Slayers drama and the loss of faith to his eventual conflict with Boxer, his declining passion for the game, the game evolving further towards the macro route with passive but greedy play to the point that TvZ was BL-Infestor, all these factors contributed to his loss. Even during those times he was playing pretty well as his games against Gumiho in GSTL finals and against Mvp in Code S Group of Death would point out, that it was more of a confidence thing and lack of passion thing which lead to him losing a lot.

And as far as falling to the wayside is concerned, post that period of loss he has been looking better and better in Hots and things are looking up. He has fully transitioned to Mech TvT post his Loss to Strelok in WCS EU. He also all killed Root yesterday!
The Terran Prince is now the king. Maru | MMA | Mvp forever
Koesader
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands424 Posts
June 15 2013 14:07 GMT
#62
If only this casual sOs had made way for SK
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 15 2013 16:33 GMT
#63
sOs is playing casually? lol. Nice work, even more of a fan now but always Innovation first! XD
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
June 15 2013 16:41 GMT
#64
WJ has the best coaching staff by far
savior did nothing wrong
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