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ChriseC
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany440 Posts
April 04 2013 17:45 GMT
#141
i actually dont understand how azubu.tv is working
i cant see if its a vod or live stream and i cant get a own stream working
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1366 Posts
April 04 2013 17:46 GMT
#142
On April 05 2013 02:40 Loxley wrote:
  • Some things guys; I never claimed it to be scientific, just merely an afternoon where I indulged my curioustiy and wrote it in a topic.
  • I've haven't used the words shady or money laundering, fraude etc in the topic. I was just wondering Who Azubu is and what they do.
  • As I stated in the OP; if anyone could say what they are and how they earn money; the topic would have served its function.


Apparently no one can point me to their business model, their revenue, or what company exactly is backing them up. Enough stuff for question marks, but nowhere is it claimed that it automatically is shady.

I don't want to defend making a topic that just started by curiousity: there are enough posts questioning what Azubu is on TL and reddit. I merely wanted to expand on it. Its a topic on a forum, where users can give insight, facts, burn the OP down, or save it. All that matters in the end, is that the topic at hand is being discussed.

People replying to the OP reign over its duration, and the mods if they think it has run its course. Only one other thing can end this topic in a heartbeat; a reply from an Azubu spokesperson giving us all some insight in their goals and how to they expect to get there without losing their investors in the process.

Just treat it as your future son. If he claims he wants to be the biggest real-estate broker in the country, and suddenly started buying landpieces all around in this market.. Why not be curious as how he got his startup money and when he expects to break even. It would be logical to worry, even though you wish him the best.

ive read several times in this thread that it seems like they are creating browser games and all that stuff for big german tv channels (for example Sevengames.de for ProSieben)
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 04 2013 17:52 GMT
#143
On April 05 2013 02:46 imperator-xy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 02:40 Loxley wrote:
  • Some things guys; I never claimed it to be scientific, just merely an afternoon where I indulged my curioustiy and wrote it in a topic.
  • I've haven't used the words shady or money laundering, fraude etc in the topic. I was just wondering Who Azubu is and what they do.
  • As I stated in the OP; if anyone could say what they are and how they earn money; the topic would have served its function.


Apparently no one can point me to their business model, their revenue, or what company exactly is backing them up. Enough stuff for question marks, but nowhere is it claimed that it automatically is shady.

I don't want to defend making a topic that just started by curiousity: there are enough posts questioning what Azubu is on TL and reddit. I merely wanted to expand on it. Its a topic on a forum, where users can give insight, facts, burn the OP down, or save it. All that matters in the end, is that the topic at hand is being discussed.

People replying to the OP reign over its duration, and the mods if they think it has run its course. Only one other thing can end this topic in a heartbeat; a reply from an Azubu spokesperson giving us all some insight in their goals and how to they expect to get there without losing their investors in the process.

Just treat it as your future son. If he claims he wants to be the biggest real-estate broker in the country, and suddenly started buying landpieces all around in this market.. Why not be curious as how he got his startup money and when he expects to break even. It would be logical to worry, even though you wish him the best.

ive read several times in this thread that it seems like they are creating browser games and all that stuff for big german tv channels (for example Sevengames.de for ProSieben)



That was posted once and completely without proof
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 18:02:29
April 04 2013 18:00 GMT
#144
Another strange piece to the puzzle, why hasn't anyone involved with Azubu just come out and clarified the situation? The biggest thing I believe everyone wants to know is where is all the money coming from, and how exactly do they expect to continue on the way they've been going without any sort of business model.

The money has to come from somewhere, and as cool as it is to think someone loves esports so much that they simply want to inject tons of money into the scene without expecting anything in return, I find that very hard to believe in this day and age.
stew_
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada239 Posts
April 04 2013 18:19 GMT
#145
very good write-up. thing smells like money-laundering if you ask me
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 04 2013 18:22 GMT
#146
The company seems mysterious. They aren't exactly shady, though some of the business men associated with these people are; that doesn't make it shady immediately, but it doesn't bode well for the company. I don't know if I like that companies like these are the ones that are spending money on E-Sports. That makes E-Sports harder to show as a legitimate business for other companies.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
April 04 2013 18:56 GMT
#147
I like to believe that AZUBU is the product of some bored faceless multimillionaire that happens to like e-sports.

Until someone comes along and proves otherwise that's what I'm going to choose to believe.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
April 04 2013 19:06 GMT
#148
On April 05 2013 03:19 stew_ wrote:
very good write-up. thing smells like money-laundering if you ask me


Honestly it would be too risky for someone dealing with an illegal cash flow to choose esports as a means to clean it all up. It doesn't really make much sense either, how exactly are they laundering the money if they're currently just dumping huge amounts of money into the scene without gaining anything in return (at least that we know of).
red_hq
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
April 04 2013 19:29 GMT
#149
You guys here is some speculation on what Azubu is.

Early 1990's in Isreal bus ad space couldn't get sold so someone paid a marketing firm to make up a fictional drink called limonana and market it to prove the ad space was worth it, it got so popular that people started demanding it in restaurants and the like. So much so that it became a real and successful product:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limonana

Azubu is no different, they want to show investors that marketing via esports is super effective. They want to create so much hype and speculation that no one can take it any more and they could sell sandals marketed as Azubu sandals and they would make money just because everyone wants Azubu and it is such a well known name. Many other companies will look at this and say "hey, look that esports marketing is pretty good" and want to buy some ad space. And Azubu will have ALL (most of) of the marketing deals in esports allowing them to sell them at ridiculous margins.
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IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
April 04 2013 19:43 GMT
#150
On April 05 2013 03:22 docvoc wrote:
The company seems mysterious. They aren't exactly shady, though some of the business men associated with these people are; that doesn't make it shady immediately, but it doesn't bode well for the company. I don't know if I like that companies like these are the ones that are spending money on E-Sports. That makes E-Sports harder to show as a legitimate business for other companies.


Jumping on that bandwagon.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
April 04 2013 19:46 GMT
#151
On April 05 2013 04:29 red_hq wrote:
You guys here is some speculation on what Azubu is.

Early 1990's in Isreal bus ad space couldn't get sold so someone paid a marketing firm to make up a fictional drink called limonana and market it to prove the ad space was worth it, it got so popular that people started demanding it in restaurants and the like. So much so that it became a real and successful product:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limonana

Azubu is no different, they want to show investors that marketing via esports is super effective. They want to create so much hype and speculation that no one can take it any more and they could sell sandals marketed as Azubu sandals and they would make money just because everyone wants Azubu and it is such a well known name. Many other companies will look at this and say "hey, look that esports marketing is pretty good" and want to buy some ad space. And Azubu will have ALL (most of) of the marketing deals in esports allowing them to sell them at ridiculous margins.

That's a pretty clever angle, thanks!
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
April 04 2013 19:56 GMT
#152
On April 05 2013 04:29 red_hq wrote:
You guys here is some speculation on what Azubu is.

Early 1990's in Isreal bus ad space couldn't get sold so someone paid a marketing firm to make up a fictional drink called limonana and market it to prove the ad space was worth it, it got so popular that people started demanding it in restaurants and the like. So much so that it became a real and successful product:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limonana

Azubu is no different, they want to show investors that marketing via esports is super effective. They want to create so much hype and speculation that no one can take it any more and they could sell sandals marketed as Azubu sandals and they would make money just because everyone wants Azubu and it is such a well known name. Many other companies will look at this and say "hey, look that esports marketing is pretty good" and want to buy some ad space. And Azubu will have ALL (most of) of the marketing deals in esports allowing them to sell them at ridiculous margins.

OMG. That shit blew my mind. Very clever, indeed.
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serum321
Profile Joined January 2012
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 21:19:21
April 04 2013 21:19 GMT
#153
Not saying its the case, but its not hard to believe someone with several hundred million or even billions of dollars could have a passion and invest a couple million into e-sports. It won't make for a quick return on their investment, but they have the opportunity at something much bigger like being the commissioner AND owner of a league the size of something like the nfl in 60 years.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 04 2013 21:31 GMT
#154
i'm offended. (but dont take it too seriously)

never heard of them until recently and it is the "biggest contributor to e-sports"?

thats like a rookie saying he is the greatest player of all time.

or did i miss the sarcasm...? or did i miss some information, like azubu was behind the success of esports, pushing it forward in the shadows.
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red_hq
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
April 04 2013 21:49 GMT
#155
On April 05 2013 06:31 jinorazi wrote:
i'm offended. (but dont take it too seriously)

never heard of them until recently and it is the "biggest contributor to e-sports"?

thats like a rookie saying he is the greatest player of all time.

or did i miss the sarcasm...? or did i miss some information, like azubu was behind the success of esports, pushing it forward in the shadows.


Monetarily Azubu is the largest E-sports contributor in the past year. As in Azubu has given out the most sponsorship dollars in the past year.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
April 04 2013 23:30 GMT
#156
I feel bad; you heroically went through so much stuff to come to such a disappointing and predictable conclusion: nobody has a clue what AZUBU does, is, or where the money comes from. Personally, I'd want nothing to do with it, but I guess if the players and managers are getting paid actual money, then they're doing alright for themselves right now...
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whyze
Profile Joined June 2012
United States8 Posts
April 05 2013 01:06 GMT
#157
Regardless of the background surrounding Azubu, they have only helped e-sports grow, that is all I care about. Still, this was a great write up and very interesting, thank you.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
April 05 2013 05:29 GMT
#158
On April 05 2013 08:30 tree.hugger wrote:
I feel bad; you heroically went through so much stuff to come to such a disappointing and predictable conclusion: nobody has a clue what AZUBU does, is, or where the money comes from. Personally, I'd want nothing to do with it, but I guess if the players and managers are getting paid actual money, then they're doing alright for themselves right now...


personally it's more alarming that he didn't find anything rather than discovering the source. very important and meaningful that he shared this since we can all start questioning AZUBU and treat their various "investments" (if you can call it that) with more scrutiny or at least cautious optimism, and hopefully with more hungry eyes looking the details can be filled in.

someone jokingly mentioned a north korean conspiracy. i would not be very surprised if this was actually something on a somewhat smaller scale.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
April 05 2013 06:25 GMT
#159
Azubu our esports version of Enron:D
Cackle™
isparavanje
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
62 Posts
April 05 2013 06:30 GMT
#160
We should not over think, there are a lot of legitimate business plans that require some secrecy as well.
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