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On March 20 2013 01:10 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 09:23 dani` wrote:On March 19 2013 09:16 caradoc wrote:On March 19 2013 09:14 Fionn wrote:
I wouldn't care so much about PC Bangs.
SC2 is not a PC Bangs-type game. This is a really good point-- A lot of people make a lot out of the PC Bangs stats, but it's true-- it isn't a typical PC Bang game. The numbers mean something, but they aren't indicative of most time spent on the games overall. Plus the stream numbers were higher for HotS than for LoL during MLG afaik. I think the LoL event at MLG was some sort of exhibition with college teams and a small tourney for 4 professional teams or something, cannot really compare them. All I know is KT Rolster did win the LoL pro event :-) (disclaimer: I obviously don't play LoL or watch streams, just occasionally checking out results now some Korean teams are also competing). There were 3 LoL things happening AFAIK. 1: The NA pro teams from LCS played each other as part of their weekly game at MLG (they were supposed to do this at IPL as well). 2: An international Exhibition tournament with various teams from around the world (which KT won). 3: Smaller NA teams trying to win some cash and hopes at getting into LCS. So while this wasn't like a huge finals for anything, you had some of the best teams from around the world and ALL of the best NA teams playing matches at this MLG.
So would this be considered the biggest lol event? I don't know anything about lol, do they have other far more important tourneys?
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On March 19 2013 14:26 larse wrote:
Let's admit it. The fun factor just isn't there when you play the game.
A game only becomes popular when lots of people feel it's fun and thus want to play it more. The problem of SC2 is just that there aren't 'lots' of people feel it's fun to play.
And that's pretty much about it.
Wow, are you into everyone's mind gauging their fun-o-meter? You're projecting your feeling about the game onto others.
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On March 20 2013 01:42 NHL Fever wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 01:10 aike wrote:On March 19 2013 09:23 dani` wrote:On March 19 2013 09:16 caradoc wrote:On March 19 2013 09:14 Fionn wrote:
I wouldn't care so much about PC Bangs.
SC2 is not a PC Bangs-type game. This is a really good point-- A lot of people make a lot out of the PC Bangs stats, but it's true-- it isn't a typical PC Bang game. The numbers mean something, but they aren't indicative of most time spent on the games overall. Plus the stream numbers were higher for HotS than for LoL during MLG afaik. I think the LoL event at MLG was some sort of exhibition with college teams and a small tourney for 4 professional teams or something, cannot really compare them. All I know is KT Rolster did win the LoL pro event :-) (disclaimer: I obviously don't play LoL or watch streams, just occasionally checking out results now some Korean teams are also competing). There were 3 LoL things happening AFAIK. 1: The NA pro teams from LCS played each other as part of their weekly game at MLG (they were supposed to do this at IPL as well). 2: An international Exhibition tournament with various teams from around the world (which KT won). 3: Smaller NA teams trying to win some cash and hopes at getting into LCS. So while this wasn't like a huge finals for anything, you had some of the best teams from around the world and ALL of the best NA teams playing matches at this MLG. So would this be considered the biggest lol event? I don't know anything about lol, do they have other far more important tourneys?
IEM Worlds was probably bigger for them.
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On March 20 2013 01:42 NHL Fever wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 01:10 aike wrote:On March 19 2013 09:23 dani` wrote:On March 19 2013 09:16 caradoc wrote:On March 19 2013 09:14 Fionn wrote:
I wouldn't care so much about PC Bangs.
SC2 is not a PC Bangs-type game. This is a really good point-- A lot of people make a lot out of the PC Bangs stats, but it's true-- it isn't a typical PC Bang game. The numbers mean something, but they aren't indicative of most time spent on the games overall. Plus the stream numbers were higher for HotS than for LoL during MLG afaik. I think the LoL event at MLG was some sort of exhibition with college teams and a small tourney for 4 professional teams or something, cannot really compare them. All I know is KT Rolster did win the LoL pro event :-) (disclaimer: I obviously don't play LoL or watch streams, just occasionally checking out results now some Korean teams are also competing). There were 3 LoL things happening AFAIK. 1: The NA pro teams from LCS played each other as part of their weekly game at MLG (they were supposed to do this at IPL as well). 2: An international Exhibition tournament with various teams from around the world (which KT won). 3: Smaller NA teams trying to win some cash and hopes at getting into LCS. So while this wasn't like a huge finals for anything, you had some of the best teams from around the world and ALL of the best NA teams playing matches at this MLG. So would this be considered the biggest lol event? I don't know anything about lol, do they have other far more important tourneys?
The LCS is the biggest tournament. It's run by Riot, and pays out something like 1 million USD for first.
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People are so excitable. Just wait a few months for things to stabilize, stop with all these threads that are basically: "DO THEY LIKE US?? PLEASE TELL ME THEY DO!!11!"
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I dont know if Im making a good point here but shouldn't it be a difference between popular esports and a popular game?
Bw was popular esports in Korea but not much in the rest of the world. It was a really popular game world wide though.
sc2 is obviously not (yet maybe) a popular game in Korea and also not a popular esports... but in the rest of the world its a esports success I think.
whats the big esports in Korea right now? lol and Bw here and there? some south Korean said here that young one enjoy the game and we can see some young peep performing really well in proleague... maybe sc2 is building up the next gen of pro players who will play lotv in some years.
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On March 19 2013 09:40 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 09:16 caradoc wrote:On March 19 2013 09:14 Fionn wrote:
I wouldn't care so much about PC Bangs.
SC2 is not a PC Bangs-type game. This is a really good point-- A lot of people make a lot out of the PC Bangs stats, but it's true-- it isn't a typical PC Bang game. The numbers mean something, but they aren't indicative of most time spent on the games overall. Plus the stream numbers were higher for HotS than for LoL during MLG afaik. Only for periods, overall I think LoL had viewers for more total minutes than sc2. Also I sincerily doubt many koreans watch MLG. I have absolutely nothing to support this assumption, but that's just what I think.
Koreans do watch MLG since it was re-streamed on afreeca.  But, it was not like 20k was watching or anything. Probably a total of 5k (maybe more for the finals) through the few streams that was on.
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On March 19 2013 16:19 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +For example look at a game like Chess... It doesn't have huge viewer numbers, very few people play chess regularly and still there's a ton of money in that "industry" No, it's not. the prize pool is so low, and the tournaments have a fee inscription. so few people can live of play chess. more spectators = more sponsors = more people who can play an live of play.
Perhaps not at a lower-mid level, the 2012 World Chess Championship had a prize of $2.55 million dollars.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_2012
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Starcraft can never be as popular as any of the other games in the top 10 (regarding pc bangs).
When i am in turkey, i visit pc bangs from time to time, and they are almost always full with kids and young adults that want to have a fun time playing games together.
In countries like turkey, going to the pc bang is cheap as hell, so instead of buying games, people just visit pc bangs and play the games the Pcs have to offer.
If the PC has broodwar on it, they can immediately launch that shit up and play against each other (though dota 1 is more popular in turkey´s pc bangs), but when it comes to sc2... not so much.
The exact same thing probably applies to pc bangs in korea. The people that go to pc bangs go there because they dont have the games themselves and the pc bangs are cheap as hell, but since they dont own a copy of sc2, they wont be able to play sc2 in the pc bang..
Thats my take on it anyways.
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This thread makes me wonder if PC Bang could take off in the USA but Americans love their privacy so probably not.
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i've been to pc bang in the states, if you dont have your own sc2 account, you can't play. does blizzard have a pc bang sc2 version? even if pc bang bought 40 copies of the game, because how it must be logged in and such, it is not feasible for proper pc bang operations.
i think blizzard should focus on this to really make it bloom
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On March 20 2013 04:05 DeathProfessor wrote:
This thread makes me wonder if PC Bang could take off in the USA but Americans love their privacy so probably not.
What privacy? 
Jokes aside, if this wasn't here already:
SC2 with 173% growth in Korean bangs during launch week
Despite not enjoying the same popularity in Korea as its predecessor, StarCraft 2 has seen a marginal increase in playtime in PC cafe's during the launch week of its expansion. 4,000 PC bangs (from a total of 15,817) in Korea have been sampled to extract this statistics and the results are showing a 173.48% increase in playtime for StarCraft 2. With 105,215 hours played, SC2 climbed ten spots the past week and is currently ranked 11th among the most popular games in South Korea. Despite the tremendous growth, however, SC2 still seems to be lagging behind the ranking leaders or even its predecessor, StarCraft 1 (currently ranked 7th), according to Gametrics.com table. GosuGamers
So while it may not be in Top10, people are curious.
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...Diablo 3 is in the top 10?
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On March 20 2013 04:05 DeathProfessor wrote:
This thread makes me wonder if PC Bang could take off in the USA but Americans love their privacy so probably not.
Privacy isn't the issue so much as the enormous distances between places and many cities steadily losing population
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On March 19 2013 09:23 dani` wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 09:16 caradoc wrote:On March 19 2013 09:14 Fionn wrote:
I wouldn't care so much about PC Bangs.
SC2 is not a PC Bangs-type game. This is a really good point-- A lot of people make a lot out of the PC Bangs stats, but it's true-- it isn't a typical PC Bang game. The numbers mean something, but they aren't indicative of most time spent on the games overall. Plus the stream numbers were higher for HotS than for LoL during MLG afaik. I think the LoL event at MLG was some sort of exhibition with college teams and a small tourney for 4 professional teams or something, cannot really compare them. All I know is KT Rolster did win the LoL pro event :-) (disclaimer: I obviously don't play LoL or watch streams, just occasionally checking out results now some Korean teams are also competing).
LCS, International event and Summer Qualifiers... It had the top teams at the event from NA, plus two huge international teams, it wasn't some small thing
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On March 19 2013 23:40 Klipsys wrote:It means inhabitant/resident. Use a dictionary once in a while
i'm pretty sure the correct term here is netizen not denizen. denizen is something you see e.g. "denizen of the deep"
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On March 20 2013 04:35 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:05 DeathProfessor wrote:
This thread makes me wonder if PC Bang could take off in the USA but Americans love their privacy so probably not. Privacy isn't the issue so much as the enormous distances between places and many cities steadily losing population
It's mostly the small cities that are losing population. Those aren't exactly the cities that people are talking about when they pose this question. The major urban centers are gaining in population. That said, PCs aren't really considered expensive here in the US and families are likely to just buy one for every member.
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pcbang used to be huge in Taiwan, then it all got wiped out except a very few after computers become cheap and labor becomes more expensive. Most pcbangs (from taiwan experience) are dirty and taiwa/Korea have cheap high end internet in the range of 25Mb/sec that you can get for $10 a month, there is no reason why you would ever go to pcbang unless you have very restricted parents.
I am willing to bet if the korea government doesn't subsidize pcbang so heavily in Korea, they would all go out of business too. Then again this is probably true for alot of their companies as Korea pretty much subsidize just about everything. That's how they are able to complete globally easily when samsung are being fed with government money
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If you ask me South Korea is not the biggest priority for Blizzard. Yes, they are telling us how important SK is for them etc. etc., but at the end of the day it's just one country of the many. In order to push SC2 in the PC bangs they must change their entire business model and for what ? Country that has 50mill population. Does it really worth it ? Not really in my opinion.
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