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On March 19 2013 14:26 larse wrote:
Let's admit it. The fun factor just isn't there when you play the game.
A game only becomes popular when lots of people feel it's fun and thus want to play it more. The problem of SC2 is just that there aren't 'lots' of people feel it's fun to play.
And that's pretty much about it.
On March 19 2013 13:50 golgo_13 wrote:
The only reason SC2 is up from #21 to #11 is the novelty-newness factor and people playing the campaign. It will go down soon when people realize the gameplay is still about ball vs ball and gimmicky drops. I see HOTS popularity falling faster than even WOL in Korea and possibly worldwide.
The worst part is, tanks are now even more useless than they were in WOL and "MECH TERRAN" == make widow mines from factory lol.
SC2 haters love to come out of the woodwork in discussions like these lol.
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On March 19 2013 22:20 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 17:48 EpiK wrote:On March 19 2013 08:02 Klipsys wrote:
How HOTS is being received overall in Korea?
Are people starting to see it as a true BW successor?
Is it being played in PC Bangs? (More so than WOL?)
What do they have to say about MLG Winter?
response to bold questions: 1. On the whole, no. The BW crowd have either moved on to other non-rts games or just play less. I've yet to meet someone who played BW a lot then make a permanent shift to SC2. Something I have noticed is that those who do play SC2 in pc bangs now seem to be a lot younger. Also, a lot of my friends who followed pro-gaming (generally more casual than the avg TL.netter) lost interest in e-sports after kespa made the switch to SC2. None of them knew about MLG winter, let alone the fact that flash was playing in the finals lol. 2. I see it being played rarely, as was the case with WOL. LoL, D3 and mmorpg's are definitely the most popular games being played still. Not entirely sure why so many people are interested in what Koreans think of the game. For the sake of the growth of e-sports, I'd rather see the rest of the world view it as a competitive e-sports game instead of it just being a niche thing a small country and a handful of "foreigners" enjoy. What about the SSL. I know it's pretty unknown, but do you think there is potential for growth? I mean quiet a few skilled ex-pros are playing (Sea, Shuttle, Ssak, Hiya etc etc)
i thought SSL had some match fixing controversy too about a few months ago. plus it's being played in brood war with players that are unwilling to switch to sc2, so i dont think there's much room for growth
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On March 19 2013 16:05 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 15:29 Schelim wrote:
woah i was so happy when i saw war3 in the top 10 but then i remembered it's probably just people playing dota =/
war3 will probably be my favorite RTS for all time. sc2 isn't bad though. diablo 3, on the other hand, is a horrible game and i'm surprised it's so high up in the rankings. People don't play Dota in Korea. They don't even know what it is unless they've lived overseas..
Kaos is pretty much the same game as DOTA though, just with Korean language instead of English.
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Diablo 3 at #9 trolololololol
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On March 19 2013 19:15 Qikz wrote:
Considering StarCraft 2 is probably 5 times more popular outside of Korea than Broodwar was, I'd say even though the Korean market may be smaller, as long as viewer numbers keep up like they have been there will always be tournaments for the pros to play and show their skill and earn some money. That's what matters to me atleast, where the tournaments are hosted means pretty much nothing.
Especially when you look at the skill levels of the players at MLG. As long as Kespa let their players play outside of Korea from now on, there's always going to be added viewers for tournaments like MLG, Dreamhack etc. etc.
I am pretty sure that more people played battle.net than battle.net 2 (just look at the sale figures overall BW sold what 3 times as many copies?). The technology just wasn't there yet, yes Foreign SC2 is a lot more successful than foreign bw, but again that's because technology enabled it to.
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On March 19 2013 14:26 larse wrote:
Let's admit it. The fun factor just isn't there when you play the game.
A game only becomes popular when lots of people feel it's fun and thus want to play it more. The problem of SC2 is just that there aren't 'lots' of people feel it's fun to play.
And that's pretty much about it.
Yep, people are over-thinking this. It has nothing to do with custom games or that you have to buy it or whatever. The game is not very fun to play and thus not very addicting. It's fun watching streams and tourneys though.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37114 Posts
Anyone have any idea what a denizen is?
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On March 19 2013 22:46 Psychobabas wrote:
Diablo 3 at #9 trolololololol
Diablo 3 Asian server doesn't have RMAH which make the game more interesting
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On March 19 2013 22:55 Seeker wrote:
Anyone have any idea what a denizen is?
im guessing OP meant netizen
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On March 19 2013 22:40 stew_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 22:20 thezanursic wrote:On March 19 2013 17:48 EpiK wrote:On March 19 2013 08:02 Klipsys wrote:
How HOTS is being received overall in Korea?
Are people starting to see it as a true BW successor?
Is it being played in PC Bangs? (More so than WOL?)
What do they have to say about MLG Winter?
response to bold questions: 1. On the whole, no. The BW crowd have either moved on to other non-rts games or just play less. I've yet to meet someone who played BW a lot then make a permanent shift to SC2. Something I have noticed is that those who do play SC2 in pc bangs now seem to be a lot younger. Also, a lot of my friends who followed pro-gaming (generally more casual than the avg TL.netter) lost interest in e-sports after kespa made the switch to SC2. None of them knew about MLG winter, let alone the fact that flash was playing in the finals lol. 2. I see it being played rarely, as was the case with WOL. LoL, D3 and mmorpg's are definitely the most popular games being played still. Not entirely sure why so many people are interested in what Koreans think of the game. For the sake of the growth of e-sports, I'd rather see the rest of the world view it as a competitive e-sports game instead of it just being a niche thing a small country and a handful of "foreigners" enjoy. What about the SSL. I know it's pretty unknown, but do you think there is potential for growth? I mean quiet a few skilled ex-pros are playing (Sea, Shuttle, Ssak, Hiya etc etc) i thought SSL had some match fixing controversy too about a few months ago. plus it's being played in brood war with players that are unwilling to switch to sc2, so i dont think there's much room for growth
Apparently it's been dealed with. SSL almost fell apart, but he said that he is going all in with this SSL (higher prize pool, better production, ex OGN, MSL commentators (Kim carrier and some other guy that I don't know), Iris and Ssak also participated and did really good).
It's really up to the korean fans to make the league a success or a failure.
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Yeah, a-lot of people are really missing the way that pc bangs work. A pc bang can buy one copy of sc/scbw and cd generator it to a bunch of computers. Same thing with wc3, because cd generators work for those games, and your cd keys aren't tied to individual accounts. Meaning that if a pc bang wants to make available sc2 to 30 players that don't have their own accounts because they haven't bought the game, they need literally 30 accounts and 30 individually bought copies of the game. It's really basic, but I'm thinking alot of people don't know how pc bangs, cd keys, and tied accounts work when you're talking about making available a game to a bunch of different people simultaneously. It's much more common to see people playing f2p mmo's at pc bangs than wow because if you haven't bought the game previously, you can still play.
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On March 19 2013 22:55 Seeker wrote:
Anyone have any idea what a denizen is?
Allow me to quote wikipedia :
Denis Island is the second northeasternmost Island in the Seychelles. It is 60 miles north of Mahé and lies at the northern edge of the Seychelles bank, along with the nearby Bird Island, which is the northernmost Seychelles island. The 1.31 km² coral island was named after the French explorer Denis de Trobriand, who visited it in 1773. Denis Island has a private holiday resort with 25 guest chalets.
I can only assume the island is a very private starcraft 2 fans hub. It's so underground, tl has never heard of it.
Edit : alternatively, the op might be referring to turkish communist terrorists from the 60s. Seems just as likely.
Deniz Gezmiş was a Turkish Marxist-Leninist revolutionary and political activist in Turkey in the late 1960s. He was one of the founding members of the People's Liberation Army of Turkey (THKO)
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On March 19 2013 12:00 nakedsurfer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 09:24 rasers wrote:On March 19 2013 09:16 caradoc wrote:On March 19 2013 09:14 Fionn wrote:
I wouldn't care so much about PC Bangs.
SC2 is not a PC Bangs-type game. This is a really good point-- A lot of people make a lot out of the PC Bangs stats, but it's true-- it isn't a typical PC Bang game. The numbers mean something, but they aren't indicative of most time spent on the games overall. Plus the stream numbers were higher for HotS than for LoL during MLG afaik. First real HotS Tournaments. and it was just another random day for LoL and HotS could barely beat it sometimes. not even for long. If they keep the numbers in like 5 6 months u could say it's going well but so far just expansion hype. You guys also have to remember that so many more people play LoL. The fact the we can beat it or even be even in numbers should be considered incredible in my opinion.
No. if the event would matter for LoL you could say something about beating LoL.
this MLG did not matter. there were some LCS games and that was the most important stuff there. and these games are like PL games. and i doubt u get these numbers everyday at a random Proleague game.
but i also don't get why SC2 peopel care sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much about having better numbers then LoL.
you had good numbers for your MLG be happy. celebrate whatever. but why do you have to add. OMG WE BEAT LOL FOR 5MINUTES.
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On March 19 2013 23:02 Marti wrote:Allow me to quote wikipedia : Show nested quote +
Denis Island is the second northeasternmost Island in the Seychelles. It is 60 miles north of Mahé and lies at the northern edge of the Seychelles bank, along with the nearby Bird Island, which is the northernmost Seychelles island. The 1.31 km² coral island was named after the French explorer Denis de Trobriand, who visited it in 1773. Denis Island has a private holiday resort with 25 guest chalets.
I can only assume the island is a very private starcraft 2 fans hub. It's so underground, tl has never heard of it. Edit : alternatively, the op might be referring to turkish communist terrorists from the 60s. Seems just as likely. Show nested quote +
Deniz Gezmiş was a Turkish Marxist-Leninist revolutionary and political activist in Turkey in the late 1960s. He was one of the founding members of the People's Liberation Army of Turkey (THKO)
Usually when looking for the defition of a word one would start in a dictionary.
den·i·zen
/ˈdenəzən/
Noun
An inhabitant or occupant of a particular place.
Synonyms
inhabitant - resident - habitant - dweller - occupant
It's unusual to use it like this and the OP probably meant netizen, but there's nothing wrong with the word or the use of it in the OP.
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On March 19 2013 23:02 Marti wrote:Allow me to quote wikipedia : Show nested quote +
Denis Island is the second northeasternmost Island in the Seychelles. It is 60 miles north of Mahé and lies at the northern edge of the Seychelles bank, along with the nearby Bird Island, which is the northernmost Seychelles island. The 1.31 km² coral island was named after the French explorer Denis de Trobriand, who visited it in 1773. Denis Island has a private holiday resort with 25 guest chalets.
I can only assume the island is a very private starcraft 2 fans hub. It's so underground, tl has never heard of it. Edit : alternatively, the op might be referring to turkish communist terrorists from the 60s. Seems just as likely.
Deniz Gezmiş was a Turkish Marxist-Leninist revolutionary and political activist in Turkey in the late 1960s. He was one of the founding members of the People's Liberation Army of Turkey (THKO)
Denizen : A dweller; an inhabitant.
Bold part: Pretty sure he did not.
Off topic, there is a thin line between being a terrorist and a freedom fighter most of the cases. Also your quote defines him as political activist, also he didn't kill or wasn't being the reason of killing anyone afaik.
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On March 19 2013 08:43 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 08:37 Toxi78 wrote:On March 19 2013 08:35 Zenbrez wrote:On March 19 2013 08:31 Fionn wrote:On March 19 2013 08:28 Zenbrez wrote:On March 19 2013 08:23 Fionn wrote:On March 19 2013 08:05 ZeroCartin wrote:
Im actually really interested in this as well. I read that HotS went back to the top 10 of most played PC games in PC Bangs from a reddit source i believe It's out of the top 10 currently. But MLG was one of the most searched items on Naver yesterday. I think we'll see how big HotS is or the excitement for it is on the night the Gangnam GOM studios open. See how many people show up for that. Could you link to the site that has the top 25 games? I'd like to revisit in the future http://gametrics.com/ #10 is Frozen Thrones? O.o and #6 is broodwar. i would have never expected such ranking actually, i always thought sc2 was quite big in korea, but it doesn't seem to be the case? SC2 was never big in Korea. Yes there's a fanbase and a following, but in a sense, it's fueled by die hard fans of KESPA players and some eSF players. Main reason why older games like BW and others are high on that list is their availability, they are cheaper if not free, also explains why free games like LoL do so well. More casual friendly too. The only way Blizzard can really make SC2 stay as a very popular game in Korea is to make a MP version of it free, adding LAN support wouldn't hurt either (dare I say, it should be required). That would make it very popular in PC Bangs, and many more casuals will come into the game that way. But they won't - it affects the bottom line too much.
Well giving away things for free would effect your bottom line. Blizzard has never been one to chase the top spot, which is good. I don't think they feel the need to make the game free and are happy with their numbers right now.
Also, I think SC2 suffered from not having the BW star players travel over instantly. I am sure there were a large number of fans in Korea that were saying "when Flash(or other player) feels it is worth his time, it will be worth mine." I am interested to see how if interests increases now that the BW stars have arrived.
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On March 19 2013 23:16 Laserist wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 23:02 Marti wrote:On March 19 2013 22:55 Seeker wrote:
Anyone have any idea what a denizen is? Allow me to quote wikipedia :
Denis Island is the second northeasternmost Island in the Seychelles. It is 60 miles north of Mahé and lies at the northern edge of the Seychelles bank, along with the nearby Bird Island, which is the northernmost Seychelles island. The 1.31 km² coral island was named after the French explorer Denis de Trobriand, who visited it in 1773. Denis Island has a private holiday resort with 25 guest chalets.
I can only assume the island is a very private starcraft 2 fans hub. It's so underground, tl has never heard of it. Edit : alternatively, the op might be referring to turkish communist terrorists from the 60s. Seems just as likely.
Deniz Gezmiş was a Turkish Marxist-Leninist revolutionary and political activist in Turkey in the late 1960s. He was one of the founding members of the People's Liberation Army of Turkey (THKO)
Denizen : A dweller; an inhabitant. Bold part: Pretty sure he did not. Off topic, there is a thin line between being a terrorist and a freedom fighter most of the cases. Also your quote defines him as political activist, also he didn't kill or wasn't being the reason of killing anyone afaik.
LOL
I guess that earlier poster forgot that TL was a global community - bound to offend somebody with a joke like that.
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On March 19 2013 23:06 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 12:00 nakedsurfer wrote:On March 19 2013 09:24 rasers wrote:On March 19 2013 09:16 caradoc wrote:On March 19 2013 09:14 Fionn wrote:
I wouldn't care so much about PC Bangs.
SC2 is not a PC Bangs-type game. This is a really good point-- A lot of people make a lot out of the PC Bangs stats, but it's true-- it isn't a typical PC Bang game. The numbers mean something, but they aren't indicative of most time spent on the games overall. Plus the stream numbers were higher for HotS than for LoL during MLG afaik. First real HotS Tournaments. and it was just another random day for LoL and HotS could barely beat it sometimes. not even for long. If they keep the numbers in like 5 6 months u could say it's going well but so far just expansion hype. You guys also have to remember that so many more people play LoL. The fact the we can beat it or even be even in numbers should be considered incredible in my opinion. No. if the event would matter for LoL you could say something about beating LoL. this MLG did not matter. there were some LCS games and that was the most important stuff there. and these games are like PL games. and i doubt u get these numbers everyday at a random Proleague game. but i also don't get why SC2 peopel care sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much about having better numbers then LoL. you had good numbers for your MLG be happy. celebrate whatever. but why do you have to add. OMG WE BEAT LOL FOR 5MINUTES.
It reminds me of when someone is trying to get under your skin for whatever reason and all they can think to say is stuff like "I have more friends than you, I'm in better shape" etc etc etc. Just ridiculous shit but it's stuff they think will hurt your feelings because it's something that they're self-conscious about. Kinda off topic I guess but this thread was derailed ages ago. Unfortunately this is all I saw this weekend and this was the first time I've really checked in on sc2 in like 6 months : \
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I guess the lack of micro is killing starcraft 2.
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The truth is good ol' times will never be back. Live with it. Now everything is about marketing and more sold units.
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