"Hello, I am StarTale's director Coach Won. We are sad this news must reach you today. Squirtle has left to find another team recently. Unfortunately, we must part with Squirtle, and hope he finds a great future along with the fans. Below is a press conference.
"Squirtle" Park Hyun-Woo, has left StarTale
StarTale's Squirtle has left the team. He left ST to find another team. StarTale's main issue revolved around the difference in salary and Squirtle's asking amount. Both PartinG and Squirtle leaving the team was done amicably. Squirtle has been in the SC2 scene since the beginning, and a member of ST since its inception. He was the GSL S2 runner-up, IPL4 runner-up, displaying incredible skill especially in GSL. StarTale's Coach Won says, "We are hoping for the best in Squirtle's future. Whichever team picks him up will have a great team. Both PartinG and Squirtle left the team as free agents without transfer fees.
Oh my... Now even StarTale, the seemingly stable and financially secure team is being broken down, albeit slowly. ST is losing their biggest names, and if this continues, Bomber might even leave. Perhaps Squirtle's BW history might lead him to a KeSPA team.
On January 14 2013 10:18 Adreme wrote: I am less worried because ST is deep enough to STILL be one of the deepest ESF teams despite there recent losses.
LIfe Curious Bomber Hack *insert one of Line/Avenge/Brain/Harrier*
On January 14 2013 10:19 WigglingSquid wrote: Terrible. ST is much less of a powerhouse without Parting and Squirtle... we are now left with Bomber and his fluctuations. T_T
Life's steadiness should do well to correct that. Life is the best player on ST, hands down.
On January 14 2013 10:18 Adreme wrote: I am less worried because ST is deep enough to STILL be one of the deepest ESF teams despite there recent losses.
LIfe Curious Bomber Hack *insert one of Line/Avenge/Brain/Harrier*
I would rather KeSPA accept more teams (eg IM, ST, etc.) than have all these teams keep loosing players who move over to KeSPA and these teams having to disband.
Pretty sure HoSeo is going to be the last ESF team standing. It'll be 2034, and I'm pretty sure jjakji, Tassadar and the rest will just be chilling at HoSeo university, not in any SC2 tournaments but still considered a team that gets free housing.
On January 14 2013 10:21 Ry2D2 wrote: I would rather KeSPA accept more teams (eg IM, ST, etc.) than have all these teams keep loosing players who move over to KeSPA and these teams having to disband.
Why would KeSPA accept collapsing teams into proleague?
The most dominant team of 2012... their players are obviously looking for better things. It's too bad the way esports works with sponsors, because they obviously had a great environment for their players but I guess the aspects aside from training just werent satisfying enough for their players. I'd like to see them migrate to kespa teams because the training will be good and (I'm not totally sure about this ) the money is there. But then foreign fans suffer because kespa, despite their great pool of talent, is wasted on their shit English content
On January 14 2013 10:21 Ry2D2 wrote: I would rather KeSPA accept more teams (eg IM, ST, etc.) than have all these teams keep loosing players who move over to KeSPA and these teams having to disband.
KeSPA doesn't care about GOM/eSF teams. It's the simple truth.
On January 14 2013 10:21 Fionn wrote: Pretty sure HoSeo is going to be the last ESF team standing. It'll be 2034, and I'm pretty sure jjakji, Tassadar and the rest will just be chilling at HoSeo university, not in any SC2 tournaments but still considered a team that gets free housing.
I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Did he leave after the end of a contract so he can go to KeSPA, or did he leave before his contract expired locking him into the choices of a foreign team, or another eSF team?
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WHAT? HE JUST SAID...nooo...my squirtle leaving startale... wait he just said that he would make for parting's absence, but he just left...
dang it squirtle and bomber, 2 of my favs, no longer on the same team T.T
Contracts are up after the year is over and Kespa is waving dollars in their faces. It's what we all thought would happen, but I didn't completely believe that the no trade agreement apparently means nothing when the players just bank on being free agents.
Hopefully some ESF teams can still manage to compete.
On January 14 2013 10:21 Ry2D2 wrote: I would rather KeSPA accept more teams (eg IM, ST, etc.) than have all these teams keep loosing players who move over to KeSPA and these teams having to disband.
Much rather have fewer teams, all with much deeper line ups. Would makes leagues like PL much much more interesting to watch.
On January 14 2013 10:23 VirgilSC2 wrote: Did he leave after the end of a contract so he can go to KeSPA, or did he leave before his contract expired locking him into the choices of a foreign team, or another eSF team?
Seeing as Parting just left and they've been on the same team for the past two years, his contract probably expired just like Parting.
Life didn't become a ST member till the summer of 2012, so he probably won't expire till mid 2013. If he was on an expiring contract, every KeSPA team should just write a blank check and hand it to him.
IM FIGHTING! no but seriously LG-IM is a boss team for not losing any players.. I wonder how much money people have offered Nestea and Mvp over the past years
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
"Hello, I am StarTale's director Coach Won. We are sad this news must reach you today. Squirtle has left to find another team recently. Unfortunately, we must part with Squirtle, and hope he finds a great future along with the fans. Below is a press conference.
"Squirtle" Park Hyun-Woo, has left StarTale
StarTale's Squirtle has left the team. He left ST to find another team. StarTale's main issue revolved around the difference in salary and Squirtle's asking amount. Both PartinG and Squirtle leaving the team was done amicably. Squirtle has been in the SC2 scene since the beginning, and a member of ST since its inception. He was the GSL S2 runner-up, IPL4 runner-up, displaying incredible skill especially in GSL. StarTale's Coach Won says, "We are hoping for the best in Squirtle's future. Whichever team picks him up will have a great team." Both PartinG and Squirtle left the team as free agents without transfer fees.
Has it been explained that his contract expired as well? Is he now a free agent? (nvm i see it says free agent) Really unfortunate for the team. It was bad enough Parting left... I guess the allure of Pro League and more $ got to him. Squirtle is back in code S so I assume he must be getting decent offers.
Hmmm...I doubt he would leave without a good offer from another team, possibly the one who acquired Parting as well, so you'd assume a team with a weak Toss lineup...
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
Yeah never believe bomber when he says he's going to the military. When he goes I'm not going to believe it until several months after it happens.
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
Ah alright, I must have missed that thanks for clearing that up.
On January 14 2013 10:27 KaiserKieran wrote: I have no idea why Squirtle would leave. I thought this was the perfect team for him
Maybe Parting showed Squirtle what his set salary will be with KeSPA.
Heh, I think most of the players kind of know their market value at this point. I doubt PartinG is the first and only player to enquire about their salary if they switched to Kespa or foreign team.
" Parting who represented your team alongside you as Protosses recently left the team
I was really taken aback since I had no idea he wanted to. Then again, it's understandable. Our team won't be in disarray or anything because of his departure. I was a bit saddened since Parting has been doing so well lately. I guess I'll just have to make up for his absence. "
Startale... last year this was just about the best team out there... now they're falling apart. I mean they still have great players like Life and Bomber, but both their AMAZING Protoss players are gone now. Makes me sad =(
On January 14 2013 10:31 Wintex wrote: " Parting who represented your team alongside you as Protosses recently left the team
I was really taken aback since I had no idea he wanted to. Then again, it's understandable. Our team won't be in disarray or anything because of his departure. I was a bit saddened since Parting has been doing so well lately. I guess I'll just have to make up for his absence. "
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
Yeah never believe bomber when he says he's going to the military. When he goes I'm not going to believe it until several months after it happens.
I remember saying the same thing in his fanclub once, lol. It made everyone really really sad.
They all realise that they can't expect to keep doing well in tournaments to get money. They also have to prepare for times when they not do well and still receive money.
On January 14 2013 10:31 Wintex wrote: " Parting who represented your team alongside you as Protosses recently left the team
I was really taken aback since I had no idea he wanted to. Then again, it's understandable. Our team won't be in disarray or anything because of his departure. I was a bit saddened since Parting has been doing so well lately. I guess I'll just have to make up for his absence. "
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
Ah alright, I must have missed that thanks for clearing that up.
Honestly at this point I wonder if he has secretly done it and somehow no one noticed and hes been playing everyone for years because hes been talking about it for long time now.
On January 14 2013 10:33 sharkie wrote: Nothing can beat steady salary after all.
They all realise that they can't expect to keep doing well in tournaments to get money. They also have to prepare for times when they not do well and still receive money.
i suppose they got a salary in startale? Cause in some thread somebody posted that parting got ~20k a year if i read correctly.
ST has Red Bull sponsor and are undisputed best esf team.....i don't think they are going under anytime soon, maybe just consolidating so the can pay their remaining players something comparable to kespa...
On January 14 2013 10:30 sinigang wrote: gogo KeSPA reclaim what is yourrsss
Seriously though, if ESF won't keep up it's just gonna be bad for the SC2 scene. It means there's not just enough money going around for SC2.
Worst case, SC2 will maintain its own scene, albeit very niche. Think of the scale of tennis (SC2) vs football (LoL). SC2 will live on, that's for sure.
Kinda scared that as players demand more money, teams are gonna be dropping like flies... But on the other hand, this may be a golden opportunity for new/lesser known players to shine
kespa pays better that other teams? i thought they had some sponsors problems, anyway gl to squirtle and i think ST will be fine i will be worried if i see Life leave them
On January 14 2013 10:33 sharkie wrote: Nothing can beat steady salary after all.
They all realise that they can't expect to keep doing well in tournaments to get money. They also have to prepare for times when they not do well and still receive money.
i suppose they got a salary in startale? Cause in some thread somebody posted that parting got ~20k a year if i read correctly.
better welfare and career opportunities after retirement being on kespa.
On January 14 2013 10:25 Wintex wrote: Man, I wish they had a trade block for eSF players whose contracts expire (to KeSPA, I mean). This is sad.
Why? There is a trade block, but playrs will always look to get the best deal they can. just business
Yeah, exactly. The trade block only blocks people that are contracted to an eSF team. And of course, but having the KeSPA teams drain all the eSF teams of the best players they have isn't great for the scene either. Kills competition and makes it even harder to raise the upn'comers that are on the KeSPA teams. I just feel bad for the teams tbh.
Lets be honest, the team family mechanics and good coaches is incredibly important, but above all, these guys are professionals who also need salaries. A skilled player like Squirtle who can also rally the fans is bound to feel a little restricted by ST's low(?) salaries compared to himself. He probably felt ST was a world too small for him, and he needed to diversify and get a larger income relative to his skill and personality.
On January 14 2013 10:39 PhoenixVoid wrote: Lets be honest, the team family mechanics and good coaches is incredibly important, but above all, these guys are professionals who also need salaries. A skilled player like Squirtle who can also rally the fans is bound to feel a little restricted by ST's low(?) salaries compared to himself. He probably felt ST was a world too small for him, and he needed to diversify and get a larger income relative to his skill and personality.
This is probably the case, and ST of all teams (other than IM) can eat these recent player losses without TOO much setback.
On January 14 2013 10:41 Dodgin wrote: What the hell is happening to Startale? Is the coach really that unbearable or do all the star players want to join kespa teams?
On January 14 2013 10:41 Dodgin wrote: What the hell is happening to Startale? Is the coach really that unbearable or do all the star players want to join kespa teams?
The Khaldor documentary about Korean pro-teams showed that the ST players were really happy with the house, the coach and the players. I doubt it was conflict over the team itself, but likely PartinG and Squirtle knowing ST was a bit too small for their britches.
On January 14 2013 10:25 Wintex wrote: Man, I wish they had a trade block for eSF players whose contracts expire (to KeSPA, I mean). This is sad.
Why? There is a trade block, but playrs will always look to get the best deal they can. just business
Yeah, exactly. The trade block only blocks people that are contracted to an eSF team. And of course, but having the KeSPA teams drain all the eSF teams of the best players they have isn't great for the scene either. Kills competition and makes it even harder to raise the upn'comers that are on the KeSPA teams. I just feel bad for the teams tbh.
natural selection dude. And dont worry theres supposed to be a Rookie League, a Courage Tournament of sort
you cant blame him with the transition of SC2 he needs money in case his progaming carrer begins to go down, with so many new players and kespa players playing full time WoL and now HotS incoming.
On January 14 2013 10:41 Dodgin wrote: What the hell is happening to Startale? Is the coach really that unbearable or do all the star players want to join kespa teams?
The Khaldor documentary about Korean pro-teams showed that the ST players were really happy with the house, the coach and the players. I doubt it was conflict over the team itself, but likely PartinG and Squirtle knowing ST was a bit too small for their britches.
I only mention the coach because he was the old president of ESF and did the whole practice block thing with slayers, so I called him Evil Coach Won.
On January 14 2013 10:36 Holdenintherye wrote: Kinda scared that as players demand more money, teams are gonna be dropping like flies... But on the other hand, this may be a golden opportunity for new/lesser known players to shine
On January 14 2013 10:41 Dodgin wrote: What the hell is happening to Startale? Is the coach really that unbearable or do all the star players want to join kespa teams?
The Khaldor documentary about Korean pro-teams showed that the ST players were really happy with the house, the coach and the players. I doubt it was conflict over the team itself, but likely PartinG and Squirtle knowing ST was a bit too small for their britches.
I only mention the coach because he was the old president of ESF and did the whole practice block thing with slayers, so I called him Evil Coach Won.
On January 14 2013 10:41 Dodgin wrote: What the hell is happening to Startale? Is the coach really that unbearable or do all the star players want to join kespa teams?
The Khaldor documentary about Korean pro-teams showed that the ST players were really happy with the house, the coach and the players. I doubt it was conflict over the team itself, but likely PartinG and Squirtle knowing ST was a bit too small for their britches.
I only mention the coach because he was the old president of ESF and did the whole practice block thing with slayers, so I called him Evil Coach Won.
I am almost certain that the Startale players hold Coach Won in extremely high regard.
This doesnt mean startale is falling apart.... contracts expire around this time every year and players come and go. Now, instead of them leaving to go to the foreign scene which is dried up they go to kespa teams. Parting probably told Squirtle how much hew as going to receive from kespa and Squirtle also decided it would be a good idea. Nothing wrong with that.
On January 14 2013 10:41 Dodgin wrote: What the hell is happening to Startale? Is the coach really that unbearable or do all the star players want to join kespa teams?
The Khaldor documentary about Korean pro-teams showed that the ST players were really happy with the house, the coach and the players. I doubt it was conflict over the team itself, but likely PartinG and Squirtle knowing ST was a bit too small for their britches.
I only mention the coach because he was the old president of ESF and did the whole practice block thing with slayers, so I called him Evil Coach Won.
The players themselves have never breathed a bad word about him. Ace even stuck his hand in the fire during the entire incident to defend him, so I don't think he's nearly as "evil" as you seem to think.
On January 14 2013 10:49 Ettick wrote: WHAT THE FUCK? Please don't pull an oGs/SlayerS/TSL, Startale!
ST should still be safe, they have the Red Bull sponsorship, along with Life. Plus, there are not in the financial struggles, team management or player conflict issues like the other three, so I doubt ST will go the way of oGs/SlayerS/TSL yet.
Besides money, is there any reason that people want to join a KeSPA team. I was under the impression that a lot of people left KeSPA teams because they were like prison.
On January 14 2013 10:55 Shadow_Dog wrote: Besides money, is there any reason that people want to join a KeSPA team. I was under the impression that a lot of people left KeSPA teams because they were like prison.
who ever left a Kespa team citing that as a reason?
On January 14 2013 10:55 Shadow_Dog wrote: Besides money, is there any reason that people want to join a KeSPA team. I was under the impression that a lot of people left KeSPA teams because they were like prison.
they left because they couldn't break out in bw. being a practice towel may as well be prison i guess. but now that they aren't in that zone anymore, it won't be as bad
On January 14 2013 10:55 Shadow_Dog wrote: Besides money, is there any reason that people want to join a KeSPA team. I was under the impression that a lot of people left KeSPA teams because they were like prison.
Playing in Proleague on TV is a good experience I guess, the only thing they lose is not playing in GSTL which far less people watch, they can still play GSL. Foreign tournament participation will go down but they are playing Proleague every week twice a week.
ST still has a lot of great players, but so did TSL. I don't know what to think about this.
Players want larger salary, current team cannot afford it, player leaves team. While a free agent, the player finds out that teams have become more cautious about their spending and thus, no team is offering a good enough salary for the player. Player finds out that Kespa can give the player the salary it wants and benefits. Player then tries to join Kespa team.
Honestly this is a confusing time. Lots of free agent players, teams disbanding or making financial cuts, and on top of all this is HOTS two months away.
Damn, Startale's two best protoss players gone. Does Squirtle plan on going to a Kespa team too, or will he go to IM (since he's good friends with Losira)?
It's not just about the money. It's about participating in as many foreign tournaments as possible. It's about inscreasing your fanbase as much as possible. etc.
I'm glad these pros are leaving korean teams, and I hope to see more people leaving their teams in the future.
On January 14 2013 10:57 S_SienZ wrote: Polt, HyuN, Symbol, Squirtle....
Where's a couple million spare dollars when you need em T_T
December/January is the new free agent season from now on. The amount of talent and personality on the market is incredible, and this really leaves so many teams to salivate on the pool of talent they can tap into.
Parting has more personality and better recent results than Squirtle, but he'll still probably get a nice salary from a KeSPA team if he switches now.
When someone like Harrier or Brain tell ST to fuck off, try to join KeSPA, and then watch when no one bids on them, then we can say it was a stupid move. Squirtle and ST couldn't come to terms with money and we'll see if he can get a better job elsewhere.
Lol @ Fionn. I always thought that Startale's players would stick to being on Startale. Guess the Kespa teams are offering more money or better environments. GL to Squirtle and Startale. Maybe now they can pick up another big free agent to replace Squirtle and Parting
On January 14 2013 11:00 KanoCoke wrote: Damn, Startale's two best protoss players gone. Does Squirtle plan on going to a Kespa team too, or will he go to IM (since he's good friends with Losira)?
I'd be shocked. IM probably has the most bank of the ESF teams but I highly doubt they can offer Squirtle a good salary and keep sustaining everyone else. They've done a good job with pacing themselves on adding new players and nourishing they're weaker players. Just seems unlike them, they tend to go for smaller names like Byul, First, and Fenix.
edit: actually, doesn't FXO have a lot of money too? Maybe he'll go there >.>
Damn, what the hell. Parting - ok, but Parting and Squirtle - fucking terrible.
On January 14 2013 11:00 KanoCoke wrote: Damn, Startale's two best protoss players gone. Does Squirtle plan on going to a Kespa team too, or will he go to IM (since he's good friends with Losira)?
That would be kinda awesome, but I highly doubt it will happen. IM is one of the healthiest teams in terms of money, but the only free agent they (ever) recuted was Byul and there were alot of teamless players this year.
On January 14 2013 11:04 Fionn wrote: Parting has more personality and better recent results than Squirtle, but he'll still probably get a nice salary from a KeSPA team if he switches now.
When someone like Harrier or Brain tell ST to fuck off, try to join KeSPA, and then watch when no one bids on them, then we can say it was a stupid move. Squirtle and ST couldn't come to terms with money and we'll see if he can get a better job elsewhere.
On January 14 2013 10:55 Shadow_Dog wrote: Besides money, is there any reason that people want to join a KeSPA team. I was under the impression that a lot of people left KeSPA teams because they were like prison.
I assume being a KeSPA A teamer is the most prestigious thing you can do as a starcraft player, especially if he was a former BW b-teamer (not sure on that) o also the matches being on television and the exposure helps.
On January 14 2013 11:00 KanoCoke wrote: Damn, Startale's two best protoss players gone. Does Squirtle plan on going to a Kespa team too, or will he go to IM (since he's good friends with Losira)?
That would be kinda awesome, but I highly doubt it will happen. IM is one of the healthiest teams in terms of money, but the only free agent they (ever) recuted was Byul and there were alot of teamless players this year.
On January 14 2013 11:04 Fionn wrote: Parting has more personality and better recent results than Squirtle, but he'll still probably get a nice salary from a KeSPA team if he switches now.
When someone like Harrier or Brain tell ST to fuck off, try to join KeSPA, and then watch when no one bids on them, then we can say it was a stupid move. Squirtle and ST couldn't come to terms with money and we'll see if he can get a better job elsewhere.
So we can quantify personality now?^^
Yes, I can qualify that Parting's personality is more desirable than Squirtle's.
LOL at all the StarTale is collapsing crap in this thread. (you know what would be funny, if they announced HyuN & Symbol as new members next week or something lol)
Yes they lost 2 great players... but...
They still have 4 players in the upcoming season of Code S (Life, Curious, Bomber, Hack) They still have one of the deepest teams in sc2 (alongside Incredible Miracle) They still have Life (their best player)
While losing Parting & Squirtle is a significant hit to their team its nothing ST can't recover from.
On January 14 2013 10:55 Shadow_Dog wrote: Besides money, is there any reason that people want to join a KeSPA team. I was under the impression that a lot of people left KeSPA teams because they were like prison.
I assume being a KeSPA A teamer is the most prestigious thing you can do as a starcraft player, especially if he was a former BW b-teamer (not sure on that) o also the matches being on television and the exposure helps.
Yeah, ST isn't down for the count at all yet, but it's just sad to see a major household name leave one of the most established ESF teams. Squirtle's been on the team forever, so I see this as a much bigger hit than losing PartinG.
This is almost a bigger downer than when Genius left MVP after all his bromance with DRG :/
Wow, ever since PartinG...I think other contracted players in other eSF teams will do the same. Startale seemed like such a good team though, w/ Red Bull and all...
Sad to see StarTale lose another good protoss player. ST still has quite a large roster since their merger with ZeNEX. Hope Squirtle can find a decent team that suits his needs.
On January 14 2013 11:12 RiceAgainst wrote: Wow, ever since PartinG...I think other contracted players in other eSF teams will do the same. Startale seemed like such a good team though, w/ Red Bull and all...
Not every ESF player is a Squirtle/Parting.
Most KeSPA teams are already saturated enough with talent and contracts. A Parting, Squirtle, or a top end player can do this, say no to ESF, and try to get a contract from KeSPA. If everyone does that, KeSPA will just stop bidding and those players will have nowhere to go.
On January 14 2013 11:12 RiceAgainst wrote: Wow, ever since PartinG...I think other contracted players in other eSF teams will do the same. Startale seemed like such a good team though, w/ Red Bull and all...
Not every ESF player is a Squirtle/Parting.
Most KeSPA teams are already saturated enough with talent and contracts. A Parting, Squirtle, or a top end player can do this, say no to ESF, and try to get a contract from KeSPA. If everyone does that, KeSPA will just stop bidding and those players will have nowhere to go.
Because Koreans haven't left their teams before for lucrative foreign contracts that didn't exist.
On January 14 2013 11:05 ES.Genie wrote: So we can quantify personality now?^^
In close cases, no. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out someone like PartinG has more personality than say, aLive.
Parting is ofc really extroverted and feels comfortable in the spotlight, while aLive does not. That's right, but that doesn't mean he has "less" of a personality(being shy also shows personality) and I think it's extremely arrogant to say things like this. I don't care which type of personality you prefere, but please don't talk about it in such a manner. You can't do much about your charakter and I doubt aLive is happy that he's so shy/introverted(atleast most people don't enjoy being shy). Just imagine how he has to feel, knowing there are dozens of people on the internet claiming "I don't like this guy, he has no personality!".
On January 14 2013 11:05 ES.Genie wrote: Damn, what the hell. Parting - ok, but Parting and Squirtle - fucking terrible.
On January 14 2013 11:00 KanoCoke wrote: Damn, Startale's two best protoss players gone. Does Squirtle plan on going to a Kespa team too, or will he go to IM (since he's good friends with Losira)?
That would be kinda awesome, but I highly doubt it will happen. IM is one of the healthiest teams in terms of money, but the only free agent they (ever) recuted was Byul and there were alot of teamless players this year.
On January 14 2013 11:04 Fionn wrote: Parting has more personality and better recent results than Squirtle, but he'll still probably get a nice salary from a KeSPA team if he switches now.
When someone like Harrier or Brain tell ST to fuck off, try to join KeSPA, and then watch when no one bids on them, then we can say it was a stupid move. Squirtle and ST couldn't come to terms with money and we'll see if he can get a better job elsewhere.
So we can quantify personality now?^^
Yes, I can qualify that Parting's personality is more desirable than Squirtle's.
And you are free to do so, but saying "x has more personality than y" sounds like "Hm, X has 15 personality, while Y only has 9, therefore X is a more likeable person."
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
Yeah never believe bomber when he says he's going to the military. When he goes I'm not going to believe it until several months after it happens.
I remember saying the same thing in his fanclub once, lol. It made everyone really really sad.
There's been surprisingly little speculation about where Squirtle's going now. Given that he didn't resign with ST due to money, Kespa seems a likely answer, although I don't know what other teams would have a higher budget than StarTale.
Here's for hoping that Squirtle and Parting both get onto Kespa teams, steal all their awesome training secrets, and come back to ST in 6-12 months in an elaborate scheme to cure StarTale of inconsistency.
its not a big deal to me weren't squirtle and parting essentially kespa b teamers back in the day?
hypothetically If kespa switched to sc2 right away these players would be on kespa teams anyways shredding it anyways so we shouldn't be that surprise... salary from a stable corporation or a foreign dependent team? not that hard of a decision
remember kespa is not as evil as this forum makes it seem
On January 14 2013 11:05 ES.Genie wrote: So we can quantify personality now?^^
In close cases, no. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out someone like PartinG has more personality than say, aLive.
Parting is ofc really extroverted and feels comfortable in the spotlight, while aLive does not. That's right, but that doesn't mean he has "less" of a personality(being shy also shows personality) and I think it's extremely arrogant to say things like this. I don't care which type of personality you prefere, but please don't talk about it in such a manner. You can't do much about your charakter and I doubt aLive is happy that he's so shy/introverted(atleast most people don't enjoy being shy). Just imagine how he has to feel, knowing there are dozens of people on the internet claiming "I don't like this guy, he has no personality!".
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
Yeah never believe bomber when he says he's going to the military. When he goes I'm not going to believe it until several months after it happens.
I remember saying the same thing in his fanclub once, lol. It made everyone really really sad.
Most heartbreaking april fools ever >.<
This isn't to say Parting is a nicer person than Squirtle or Squirtle is a boring guy, but Parting's personality is more marketable than Squirtle's. He markets himself well in interviews, takes over events with his ceremonies, and he's an engaging personality that draws fans to him.
Does this open up more money for ST to pick up the ton of Korean free agents right now? It's not a complete loss as I imagine they are not hurting for money.
There's been surprisingly little speculation about where Squirtle's going now. Given that he didn't resign with ST due to money, Kespa seems a likely answer, although I don't know what other teams would have a higher budget than StarTale.
There's been surprisingly little speculation about where Squirtle's going now. Given that he didn't resign with ST due to money, Kespa seems a likely answer, although I don't know what other teams would have a higher budget than StarTale.
On January 14 2013 11:14 Elite_ wrote: Congrats on being the Korean team with the most depth again, IM... Sucks that ST lost it's two best Protoss players in less than 2 weeks. :\
On January 14 2013 11:14 Elite_ wrote: Congrats on being the Korean team with the most depth again, IM... Sucks that ST lost it's two best Protoss players in less than 2 weeks. :\
well, one reason i can think of is the upcoming switch to hots. most esf players were b-teamers in bw, while the current roster of most kespa teams consists of bw a-teamers. therefore, i think it is not too unreasonable to speculate that the talent of kespa players is, on average, higher than on esf teams, but this was countered in WoL by the experience advantage the esf players had over the kespa ones. with hots mixing the metagame up completely, the esf players will lose their edge and might very well be superseded by kespa players. thus, it might be tactically smart to try to secure a new, more well-paying contract as an esf player while one is at the height of one's relative/comparative skill (compared to the skill of the entirety of other sc2 pros).
still sad to hear. if the player drain for startale stops after this, they can probably recover quite easily. if, however, even one more st player leaves, ill switch to the "the way of tsl"-camp. lets hope for the best.
On January 14 2013 11:29 AgentW wrote: Probably already been said, but this is looking mighty like TSL.
Not even close. TSL players left because of conflicts with their coach, which isn't happening right now. ST is also in a far better financial situation than TSL was ever in. Just because they lost two key players doesn't mean ST will go the way of TSL. They still got Life, Curious, Hack and Bomber, along with a supporting cast of decent Code A/B players.
On January 14 2013 11:05 ES.Genie wrote: So we can quantify personality now?^^
In close cases, no. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out someone like PartinG has more personality than say, aLive.
Parting is ofc really extroverted and feels comfortable in the spotlight, while aLive does not. That's right, but that doesn't mean he has "less" of a personality(being shy also shows personality) and I think it's extremely arrogant to say things like this. I don't care which type of personality you prefere, but please don't talk about it in such a manner. You can't do much about your charakter and I doubt aLive is happy that he's so shy/introverted(atleast most people don't enjoy being shy). Just imagine how he has to feel, knowing there are dozens of people on the internet claiming "I don't like this guy, he has no personality!".
On January 14 2013 10:33 McFeser wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:29 Indrium wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:28 cervical wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
Yeah never believe bomber when he says he's going to the military. When he goes I'm not going to believe it until several months after it happens.
I remember saying the same thing in his fanclub once, lol. It made everyone really really sad.
Most heartbreaking april fools ever >.<
This isn't to say Parting is a nicer person than Squirtle or Squirtle is a boring guy, but Parting's personality is more marketable than Squirtle's. He markets himself well in interviews, takes over events with his ceremonies, and he's an engaging personality that draws fans to him.
You're absolutely right, but I just don't like the way how this whole community talks about personality and stuff like this. There are like a million posts on TL stating something like "Man, them stupid Koreans have like no personality at all. They are so boring, I mean it's not that hard to have a personality.". Imo it's really rude and even kinda heartless to talk about a persons charakter in such a calculating manner. But I guess that's the internet... I'm just curious if Kespa even cares about personality that much. Afaik they don't really depend on streams, fan interviews and public stuff like this, that requires a personality like Partings, in the way foreign teams do. Or do I have a completely wrong picutre of them?
well this is what I got out of Banks .. Hope more info is released soon.
So pretty much as expected? ST probably offered them a really good salary, just not as much as Kespa teams can. It's understandable that they want to secure as much money as they can right now, but still kinda sad, because Esf looks really crippled right now.
That sucks a lot StarTale lost 2 of my favorite players in such a short time. Not to throw you under the bus or anything AcE, but remember that time you won an IEM? You, uh, you think you still remember how to do that?
On January 14 2013 11:05 ES.Genie wrote: So we can quantify personality now?^^
In close cases, no. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out someone like PartinG has more personality than say, aLive.
Parting is ofc really extroverted and feels comfortable in the spotlight, while aLive does not. That's right, but that doesn't mean he has "less" of a personality(being shy also shows personality) and I think it's extremely arrogant to say things like this. I don't care which type of personality you prefere, but please don't talk about it in such a manner. You can't do much about your charakter and I doubt aLive is happy that he's so shy/introverted(atleast most people don't enjoy being shy). Just imagine how he has to feel, knowing there are dozens of people on the internet claiming "I don't like this guy, he has no personality!".
On January 14 2013 10:33 McFeser wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:29 Indrium wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:28 cervical wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
Yeah never believe bomber when he says he's going to the military. When he goes I'm not going to believe it until several months after it happens.
I remember saying the same thing in his fanclub once, lol. It made everyone really really sad.
Most heartbreaking april fools ever >.<
This isn't to say Parting is a nicer person than Squirtle or Squirtle is a boring guy, but Parting's personality is more marketable than Squirtle's. He markets himself well in interviews, takes over events with his ceremonies, and he's an engaging personality that draws fans to him.
You're absolutely right, but I just don't like the way how this whole community talks about personality and stuff like this. There are like a million posts on TL stating something like "Man, them stupid Koreans have like no personality at all. They are so boring, I mean it's not that hard to have a personality.". Imo it's really rude and even kinda heartless to talk about a persons charakter in such a calculating manner. But I guess that's the internet... I'm just curious if Kespa even cares about personality that much. Afaik they don't really depend on streams, fan interviews and public stuff like this, that requires a personality like Partings, in the way foreign teams do. Or do I have a completely wrong picutre of them?
well this is what I got out of Banks .. Hope more info is released soon.
So pretty much as expected? ST probably offered them a really good salary, just not as much as Kespa teams can. It's understandable that they want to secure as much money as they can right now, but still kinda sad, because Esf looks really crippled right now.
Wasn't Bisu originally signed because he was good looking?
Personality, looks and all that does matter. There is a reason why 90% of the people who show up to Proleague are high school girls.
On January 14 2013 11:05 ES.Genie wrote: So we can quantify personality now?^^
In close cases, no. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out someone like PartinG has more personality than say, aLive.
Parting is ofc really extroverted and feels comfortable in the spotlight, while aLive does not. That's right, but that doesn't mean he has "less" of a personality(being shy also shows personality) and I think it's extremely arrogant to say things like this. I don't care which type of personality you prefere, but please don't talk about it in such a manner. You can't do much about your charakter and I doubt aLive is happy that he's so shy/introverted(atleast most people don't enjoy being shy). Just imagine how he has to feel, knowing there are dozens of people on the internet claiming "I don't like this guy, he has no personality!".
On January 14 2013 11:05 ES.Genie wrote: Damn, what the hell. Parting - ok, but Parting and Squirtle - fucking terrible.
On January 14 2013 11:00 KanoCoke wrote: Damn, Startale's two best protoss players gone. Does Squirtle plan on going to a Kespa team too, or will he go to IM (since he's good friends with Losira)?
That would be kinda awesome, but I highly doubt it will happen. IM is one of the healthiest teams in terms of money, but the only free agent they (ever) recuted was Byul and there were alot of teamless players this year.
On January 14 2013 11:04 Fionn wrote: Parting has more personality and better recent results than Squirtle, but he'll still probably get a nice salary from a KeSPA team if he switches now.
When someone like Harrier or Brain tell ST to fuck off, try to join KeSPA, and then watch when no one bids on them, then we can say it was a stupid move. Squirtle and ST couldn't come to terms with money and we'll see if he can get a better job elsewhere.
So we can quantify personality now?^^
Yes, I can qualify that Parting's personality is more desirable than Squirtle's.
And you are free to do so, but saying "x has more personality than y" sounds like "Hm, X has 15 personality, while Y only has 9, therefore X is a more likeable person."
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
Yeah never believe bomber when he says he's going to the military. When he goes I'm not going to believe it until several months after it happens.
I remember saying the same thing in his fanclub once, lol. It made everyone really really sad.
Most heartbreaking april fools ever >.<
Lol you're taking the personality thing too seriously. "More personality" usually just means more extroverted and/or otherwise more interesting to the outside viewer. Maybe there's a player who's really quiet and introverted but is actually an incredibly interesting person in his private life. Obviously, that's a possibility, but that's not marketable nor is it very interesting to the outside observer. When we talk about desirable personalities, we're not talking about some sort of objective measure of how good someone's personality is as a whole, or some concept of overall self-worth as a person. We're just talking about how good someone's personality is as a progamer, and since any spectator sport/e-sport is about ENTERTAINMENT, it's clear that an extroverted personality is usually more entertaining than an introverted one, and thus is more desirable in that specific regard. As it turns out, being entertaining makes you likeable because people like being entertained. That's not to say that Parting is as a whole more interesting than Alive, but he sure as hell is as a progamer and as an entertainer.
One thing I'll say about parting is that he's the least politically correct korean and routinely calls foreigners bad and isn't afraid to say so, whereas other koreans will always say a foreigner is good even if he isn't.
Oh this is very unfortunate, hope StarTale can find replacements either from their lineup or from other places. I don't think fnatic is fully committed to their Korean team and could see players like Oz and aLive go to ST as their contracts expire in the coming months.
On January 14 2013 11:42 SimoNostalgia wrote: Isn't there any loyalty anymore?
To be fair, if another company offers you significantly more money, you would leave your job in a minute. Just because there are people rooting for them doesn't change that it's a business relationship (same with all professional sports.
Sad to see Squirtle leave ST, but I wish him well for whatever team he decides to join in the future! Can't ever forget the Squirtle vs. MVP GSL sick game with battlecruisers, mothership, and archons! One of my favorite Protoss players to watch!
On January 14 2013 11:51 LockeTazeline wrote: Secretly Squirtle just wants to reunite with soul brother toss, Parting.
Seeing as whatever team grabs Parting will more than likely be set with Protoss, Squirtle would more than likely go to a team that failed to grab Parting.
If this trend continues, then the division and animosity between ESF vs. KeSPA will finally die off as the two organization amalgate their player bases.
First Parting now Squirtle T_T I really enjoyed having all my favorite players on one team. I hope ace can pick up the protoss slack in the team leagues...
Startale is starting to lose some star power. Still have some great players (Life, Bomber, Curious) but they probably won't be as much of a force in GSTL as they've been.
Although the article only says Squirtle is looking for a new team, according to one of the StarTale managers, Squirtle specifically intends to join a KeSPA Team.
There you go... And I don't believe for a second, that Parting left, looked for a team, then got offers from Kespa. Kespa scouts are whispering into these guys' ears promises of big contracts with benefits for sure.
On January 14 2013 11:06 Dontkillme wrote: That's it, if Bomber leaves or retires, I am leaving SCII. PartinG and now Squirtle. Not cool man what the f%#@ is going on ST?!?!!?!?
Yeah! And if Tom Brady and Peyton Manning ever stop playing football I'm done with NFL! And if LeBron and Kobe ever retire, I quit watching NBA too. And I tell you what... If Cold Play ever quit making albums, no more music!
On January 14 2013 11:47 triforks wrote: startale better have some serious sponsor cash ready to offer life when his contract expires.
kespa is gonna be all over him
Well... I think Life's a different story, as he intends to go to school beside his SC2 career - and I don't really know if the KESPA allows/wants somethig like that :o They seem to be kinda strict with their schedule and I don't think Life's timetable fits their schedule :-P
On January 14 2013 10:35 isaachukfan wrote: ST has Red Bull sponsor and are undisputed best esf team.....i don't think they are going under anytime soon, maybe just consolidating so the can pay their remaining players something comparable to kespa...
Right, undisputed best eSF team... having only won one team championship (IPTL), while a team like Incredible Miracle has won 3 team championships so far, (2 of them IPL, 1 the GSTL)
I find it funny that a lot of people thought eSF was still going to be the dominant force in StarCraft 2 after KeSPA entered the scene.
Most of the eSF teams (if not all) will be slowly cannibalized, the best players will enter KeSPA teams, or highly salaried foreigner teams (most likely EG or Liquid).
On January 14 2013 12:10 Arco wrote: I find it funny that a lot of people thought eSF was still going to be the dominant force in StarCraft 2 after KeSPA entered the scene.
Most of the eSF teams (if not all) will be slowly cannibalized, the best players will enter KeSPA teams, or highly salaried foreigner teams (most likely EG or Liquid).
This is ironic, because some people were claiming that the competition thus far in SC2 was a farce, and that the "elephants" would dominate soon after they switched. Instead, we see Kespa teams going after eSF stars with promises of fat salaries, looking to strengthen their rosters.
I would like to know the reason why Parting and Squirtle left the team? Money, to join a foreign team and attend foreign tournaments like MLG, NASL, IPL or to take a break? Lets wait and see. I think will will join a new team in the next couple of days/weeks.
Oh dear. I am worried about the scene of SC2- teams folding, team houses closing, free agent market flooding with talent...
I really hope that HotS has new teams come out of the woodwork so we can keep the scene going or even expand it. This makes me sad, Startale is one of my favourite teams.
So what's the deal with KeSPA? better salaries? because i don't think they can enter many other tourneys and get money from there since their leagues are so time consuming and demand full on practice?
On January 14 2013 12:22 Gendo wrote: So what's the deal with KeSPA? better salaries? because i don't think they can enter many other tourneys and get money from there since their leagues are so time consuming and demand full on practice?
imho every kids there growing to be a progamer wanna play in and win proleague
geez, do any of the esf teams offer a salary? I can understand their no-namers only getting room and board but they can't expect to have good players and still not pay anything.
On January 14 2013 10:21 Fionn wrote: Pretty sure HoSeo is going to be the last ESF team standing. It'll be 2034, and I'm pretty sure jjakji, Tassadar and the rest will just be chilling at HoSeo university, not in any SC2 tournaments but still considered a team that gets free housing.
Can't stop HoSeo.
This. And the former members will rejoin slowly over the years. San, Seal, Freaky, Sting, Sage, they'll all be back as the nonHoSeo teams slowly die out, and the retired members realise normal life just isn't for them.
On January 14 2013 12:29 Shinespark wrote: I hope he doesn't go to Kespa. Didn't Kespa and eSF have an agreement not to take players from each other anyway?
For players whose contract have expired, it does not apply.
On January 14 2013 12:22 Gendo wrote: So what's the deal with KeSPA? better salaries? because i don't think they can enter many other tourneys and get money from there since their leagues are so time consuming and demand full on practice?
Smart. Kespa teams can only take on so many new players. The ones who can leave esf teams first will have the biggest benefit. The rest run the risk of the league being full and having to make due on their current teams.
On January 14 2013 12:10 Arco wrote: I find it funny that a lot of people thought eSF was still going to be the dominant force in StarCraft 2 after KeSPA entered the scene.
Most of the eSF teams (if not all) will be slowly cannibalized, the best players will enter KeSPA teams, or highly salaried foreigner teams (most likely EG or Liquid).
This is ironic, because some people were claiming that the competition thus far in SC2 was a farce, and that the "elephants" would dominate soon after they switched. Instead, we see Kespa teams going after eSF stars with promises of fat salaries, looking to strengthen their rosters.
Lots of the eSF "A-teamers" are already far surpassed by many KeSPA players. Not to mention, the top KeSPA players are already competition for the top eSF players, if not better. Rain looks to be the best Protoss in the world. Flash, Innovation, Fantasy, and other Terrans are making KeSPA Terrans look very strong as the days go by. Zerg - look at players like Roro, Soulkey, and soO. Excellent competitors.
No irony here. eSF just doesn't have the same talent pools. They have a lot of the best players, but they are comparable to the top KeSPA players and many KeSPA A-teamers. Without the top players, eSF has nothing going for them in terms of star power.
On January 14 2013 10:27 Exya wrote: IM FIGHTING! no but seriously LG-IM is a boss team for not losing any players.. I wonder how much money people have offered Nestea and Mvp over the past years
This is what happens when you don't put a fence around your Christmas tree.
On January 14 2013 11:05 ES.Genie wrote: So we can quantify personality now?^^
In close cases, no. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out someone like PartinG has more personality than say, aLive.
Parting is ofc really extroverted and feels comfortable in the spotlight, while aLive does not. That's right, but that doesn't mean he has "less" of a personality(being shy also shows personality) and I think it's extremely arrogant to say things like this. I don't care which type of personality you prefere, but please don't talk about it in such a manner. You can't do much about your charakter and I doubt aLive is happy that he's so shy/introverted(atleast most people don't enjoy being shy). Just imagine how he has to feel, knowing there are dozens of people on the internet claiming "I don't like this guy, he has no personality!".
On January 14 2013 10:33 McFeser wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:29 Indrium wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:28 cervical wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:23 wigwamfan wrote: I dont know if this was mentioned but bomber yday said on his stream that this will be his last gsl (i guess because of army, he got summons not long ago as he mentioned in his up and down interview), meaning that startale's core will be shattered in a few months.
Bomber later said in his streamchat that he was just joking.
Yeah never believe bomber when he says he's going to the military. When he goes I'm not going to believe it until several months after it happens.
I remember saying the same thing in his fanclub once, lol. It made everyone really really sad.
Most heartbreaking april fools ever >.<
This isn't to say Parting is a nicer person than Squirtle or Squirtle is a boring guy, but Parting's personality is more marketable than Squirtle's. He markets himself well in interviews, takes over events with his ceremonies, and he's an engaging personality that draws fans to him.
You're absolutely right, but I just don't like the way how this whole community talks about personality and stuff like this. There are like a million posts on TL stating something like "Man, them stupid Koreans have like no personality at all. They are so boring, I mean it's not that hard to have a personality.". Imo it's really rude and even kinda heartless to talk about a persons charakter in such a calculating manner. But I guess that's the internet... I'm just curious if Kespa even cares about personality that much. Afaik they don't really depend on streams, fan interviews and public stuff like this, that requires a personality like Partings, in the way foreign teams do. Or do I have a completely wrong picutre of them?
well this is what I got out of Banks .. Hope more info is released soon.
So pretty much as expected? ST probably offered them a really good salary, just not as much as Kespa teams can. It's understandable that they want to secure as much money as they can right now, but still kinda sad, because Esf looks really crippled right now.
Wasn't Bisu originally signed because he was good looking?
Personality, looks and all that does matter. There is a reason why 90% of the people who show up to Proleague are high school girls.
Don't know about Bisu, since the only thing I know about BW is pretty much from Liquipedia(I read a lot BW articles, but still...). Ofcourse looks, personality, etc matter, but to me it just always felt Kespa players didn't need to bring those attributes. Again, I didn't follow BW at all and only get so see maybe 2-3 PL games per round, but besides the post-game interviews I don't notice any form of player-marketing that's comparable to how for example Idra, Incontrol and all these other foreign players are marketed and promoted.
So Squirtle really to Kespa...I wonder who will follow the next couple of months until HotS is out.
On January 14 2013 12:10 Arco wrote: I find it funny that a lot of people thought eSF was still going to be the dominant force in StarCraft 2 after KeSPA entered the scene.
Most of the eSF teams (if not all) will be slowly cannibalized, the best players will enter KeSPA teams, or highly salaried foreigner teams (most likely EG or Liquid).
This is ironic, because some people were claiming that the competition thus far in SC2 was a farce, and that the "elephants" would dominate soon after they switched. Instead, we see Kespa teams going after eSF stars with promises of fat salaries, looking to strengthen their rosters.
Lots of the eSF "A-teamers" are already far surpassed by many KeSPA players. Not to mention, the top KeSPA players are already competition for the top eSF players, if not better. Rain looks to be the best Protoss in the world. Flash, Innovation, Fantasy, and other Terrans are making KeSPA Terrans look very strong as the days go by. Zerg - look at players like Roro, Soulkey, and soO. Excellent competitors.
No irony here. eSF just doesn't have the same talent pools. They have a lot of the best players, but they are comparable to the top KeSPA players and many KeSPA A-teamers. Without the top players, eSF has nothing going for them in terms of star power.
Dat delusion.
Stop making this a Kespa vs eSF thread.
Squirtle has underwhelmed since his days of yore in IPL4/GSL Season 2. Hopefully this change will reignite the pashun.
Oh wait, all the top korean players are leaving the SC2 teams in the hopes of joining Kespa teams...because they pay, like money. Its weird how that works.
I feel like this was sort of a poor decision by Squirtle.... ST is one of the top teams in Korea, and they continue to grow as a team. If he really wants to join a KeSPA team I can see that to be hard to do, considering its him and Parting as free agents for them.
It might be hard for him to find a foreign team that can afford him, and I don't see EG getting involved since they have Protosses in JYP and Huk, and TL just picked up Snute and I don't see them getting another player.
Either way I wish him good luck because be is in my top three favorite Protoss.
Whoah. Unexpected news and that free agent pool just keeps getting fatter with big talent. Seems like a rough time to be looking for a team - although I expect Squirtle won't be teamless for long
Maybe with the exception of IM, due to their apparent big name sponsors, I expect other top players from the esf teams to eventually make their way towards Kespa teams. From the looks of it, there is very little support/money in Korean SC2 right now, and whatever of it there is goes mostly to the Kespa teams.
On January 14 2013 13:06 Plansix wrote: Oh wait, all the top korean players are leaving the SC2 teams in the hopes of joining Kespa teams...because they pay, like money. Its weird how that works.
FYI this is going to happen as long as the ESF teams don't have the money to pay their players salaries. They want that foreign or kespa money, and they want it hard.
Man what the hell, suddenly the best team in the world loses their some of their TOP players. Ridiculous. I guess Redbull isn't dishing out that big of money to help them.
Fuck. I don't know why this is happening. Startales has been my favorite team since oGs broke up, I mean I liked NSHS, but I was always a startales guy. This is so stupid. My favorite player and my second favorite player have no left the team. There is treme and life, there are the rest of the guys too, but I'm just so confused right now. Why does everyone want to leave ST (((((((.
On January 14 2013 13:17 Gihi wrote: Wow. Really sad of the Startale players, abandon the team that gave u the chances when u needed them most at the first sight of a different salary...
Well, this is life. How many people stay with the company that gave them their first job? These players played out their contracts and are out to look for the best offers. Nothing wrong with that. Did Stephano abandon Millenium? Did Taeja/HerO abandon Slayers/oGs?
Damn. There have been a lot of shake ups among the pro teams lately. I am almost not even surprised anymore. I just hope the players settle down and stay with their teams. All of this team switiching is risky, and it could make teams less apt to bring in new players.
But what do I know? I just hope Squirtle finds a team that suits him best.
On January 14 2013 13:52 BoB_KiLLeR wrote: Fnatic & TSL are practically dead.
And now StarTale?
No way. Can't understand the overreaction. Bomber, Curious, Hack, Golden, and most importantly Life are still among them. There's probably still a good upcomer or 2 as well. They did poach the entire remnants of Zenex after all :p
On January 14 2013 13:52 BoB_KiLLeR wrote: Fnatic & TSL are practically dead.
And now StarTale?
No way. Can't understand the overreaction.
This. I really wish the community would stop freaking out every time a player leaves a team. It's at least concerning when an entire team folds, but even then it's usually not some sort of doomsday sign; it means that as a *business* the team wasn't any good (regardless of the talent residing within the team).
In other words, players leaving teams shouldn't necessarily be taken as a sign that the team will disband, and similarly teams disbanding shouldn't necessarily be taken as a sign that the scene is dying. Sometimes teams don't operate well as a business, and contracts expire.
Perhaps Squirtle and Parting were feeling a bit overshadowed by Bomber and Life. On a brighter note I hope both Squirtle and Parting joing SKT so that SKT becomes a Protoss powerhouse with Squirtle, Parting and Rain!!!
The manager of startale (actually most ESF teams) is probably stressed these days. Must be hard to keep really top players....must suck for startale fans.
Before TSL's disband, there were also losses of key players (that weren't taken as seriously as they should be), however, the general community didn't know that they were on the verge of disbanding until.. well, they disbanded.
On January 14 2013 15:19 AceHigh. wrote: I'm afraid we're on the verge of seeing ST disband just like TSL. Not likely, granted, but losing their two top stars is worrying.
Squirtle definitely wasn't a top star and Parting is only slightly ahead of life imo.
Bomber+Life are still super popular (even if bomber is just "can he beat his curse?"). Curious is pretty good, and they still have a load of ZeNEX players to use.
My guess is that Squirtle will join another eSF team. Even though, it is peculiar to see he's not satisfied with his salary considering Redbull's sponsorship which is the best one next to LG among the teams. I can't see him going to foreign team or KeSPA.
On January 14 2013 15:40 kisoso wrote: My guess is that Squirtle will join another eSF team. Even though, it is peculiar to see he's not satisfied with his salary considering Redbull's sponsorship which is the best one next to LG among the teams. I can't see him going to foreign team or KeSPA.
A StarTale manager said that Squirtle's specifically looking for a KeSPA team.
On January 14 2013 15:40 kisoso wrote: My guess is that Squirtle will join another eSF team. Even though, it is peculiar to see he's not satisfied with his salary considering Redbull's sponsorship which is the best one next to LG among the teams. I can't see him going to foreign team or KeSPA.
A StarTale manager said that Squirtle's specifically looking for a KeSPA team.
lol his gonna join SKT and then they will have parting, squirtle, rain....GG
On January 14 2013 15:40 kisoso wrote: My guess is that Squirtle will join another eSF team. Even though, it is peculiar to see he's not satisfied with his salary considering Redbull's sponsorship which is the best one next to LG among the teams. I can't see him going to foreign team or KeSPA.
A StarTale manager said that Squirtle's specifically looking for a KeSPA team.
lol his gonna join SKT and then they will have parting, squirtle, rain....GG
SKT will be behind the others in the lottery pick because they have already acquired Parting; they lose priority (this was specified in the initial "Parting to KeSPA draft" post. Unless they're the only ones that bid, I don't see it happening. Squirtle might end up at KT though depending on how much he settles on for salary, since KT was the only team willing to compete with SKT for Parting.
This news + Parting's departure leaves LG-IM with the most players in the final WoL code S with 5 players, and ST/MVP tied at 4 players a piece. Hopefully the transfer doesn't affect them much and we still see some good games out of them, because Protoss is still an endangered species in GSL code S.
On January 14 2013 15:19 AceHigh. wrote: I'm afraid we're on the verge of seeing ST disband just like TSL. Not likely, granted, but losing their two top stars is worrying.
Squirtle definitely wasn't a top star and Parting is only slightly ahead of life imo.
Bomber+Life are still super popular (even if bomber is just "can he beat his curse?"). Curious is pretty good, and they still have a load of ZeNEX players to use.
my ass lol, squirtle was definitely a top star back in early 2012, he still has the greatest finals run of GSL alltime
On January 14 2013 16:04 BoReDWiTHLiFe wrote: This news + Parting's departure leaves LG-IM with the most players in the final WoL code S with 5 players, and ST/MVP tied at 4 players a piece. Hopefully the transfer doesn't affect them much and we still see some good games out of them, because Protoss is still an endangered species in GSL code S.
We still got six players to Code S, okay? Even if they didn't stay. T___T
Very sad. I didn't even like him or ST but even though I knew most esf teams would die, i thought ST would be fine, along with IM. Guess this will become a trend now and there'll be a number of other players crossing over to KESPA from various teams.
I honestly feel that at this point it looks like Kespa is just going to start pulling ahead of GOM. This is very unfortunate because I honestly think its crucial to have both organizations active and around in eSports. It's come to the point where Kespa is picking up many of the successful ESF players and eventually those teams will have to give up because their "big gun" players , ex; Parting, Squirtle (a large portion of the teams sponsorship) are getting picked up by Kespa teams. (Of course we still have to wait and see where Squirtle goes XD)
Yeah, they do have a ton of other great players - but losing Parting and Squirtle who's been two of the strongest Protoss' for the past year really hurts. I hope they'll continue existing - and I hope that this doesn't foreshadow future problems/the team falling apart.
On January 14 2013 15:19 AceHigh. wrote: I'm afraid we're on the verge of seeing ST disband just like TSL. Not likely, granted, but losing their two top stars is worrying.
hope not . they have bunch of sponsors + redbull. They also have a GSL champion
On January 14 2013 15:19 AceHigh. wrote: I'm afraid we're on the verge of seeing ST disband just like TSL. Not likely, granted, but losing their two top stars is worrying.
Squirtle definitely wasn't a top star and Parting is only slightly ahead of life imo.
Bomber+Life are still super popular (even if bomber is just "can he beat his curse?"). Curious is pretty good, and they still have a load of ZeNEX players to use.
I'm confused, how can anyone make an argument that Parting is ahead of Life? Sure he has had a lot of success recently, but is anyone better than Life right now?
On January 14 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote: No one is ahead of Life, Life is 16 and on track to win his 4th premier tournament in 3 months at Iron Squid. Maybe if Parting had won Blizzard Cup...
It seems that every tournament is premier tournament nowadays.
Damn... I hate to see this happen to Startale. They seemed to be strong enough to hold on to their players along with IM, but losing two just now... wow. I'm fine with KeSPA teams taking over if their players are simply better, but buying them out is a bit sad to me, especially with the decisions they have made in the past.
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On January 14 2013 16:55 onPHYRE wrote: What is going on here?! I did not see this coming....
On January 14 2013 15:19 AceHigh. wrote: I'm afraid we're on the verge of seeing ST disband just like TSL. Not likely, granted, but losing their two top stars is worrying.
Squirtle definitely wasn't a top star and Parting is only slightly ahead of life imo.
Bomber+Life are still super popular (even if bomber is just "can he beat his curse?"). Curious is pretty good, and they still have a load of ZeNEX players to use.
I'm confused, how can anyone make an argument that Parting is ahead of Life? Sure he has had a lot of success recently, but is anyone better than Life right now?
It's just his opinion. Based on recent results, it is fair to say that they are each the current best of their respective races. They did face off in the Blizzard cup where Life did win, but one win obviously doesn't make one player better than another. It's impossible to say who is truly better in all the different potential situations they can end up in, so that's why he said "imo."
On January 14 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote: No one is ahead of Life, Life is 16 and on track to win his 4th premier tournament in 3 months at Iron Squid. Maybe if Parting had won Blizzard Cup...
It seems that every tournament is premier tournament nowadays.
" Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. "
If you want to talk the real " premier " tournament, Life has 2 GSL's to Parting's 0. Which makes it look even more in his favor.
On January 14 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote: No one is ahead of Life, Life is 16 and on track to win his 4th premier tournament in 3 months at Iron Squid. Maybe if Parting had won Blizzard Cup...
It seems that every tournament is premier tournament nowadays.
" Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. "
If you want to talk the real " premier " tournament, Life has 2 GSL's to Parting's 0. Which makes it look even more in his favor.
I'm not arguing about parting being better, I believe Life is far better than Parting, and much more potential also. Just imo, no foreign tournaments can be called premier tournament. Or we can invent another word to describe tournaments better than premier ones.
what the fck just happen at StarTale. 2 power house toss just leave the team, morale lowered, was and should be the strongest sc2 team in korea but no longer
If they wouldn't have their red bull sponsorship I'd be starting to wonder if they'll disband soon. Lets hope they'll be able to grab symbol/polt or another good free agent.
You know I hope with parting and squirtle leaving, this doesn't prompt other koreans to find other teams. Startale may have low salaries or not able to offer higher salaries as other teams now a days.
Goddamn people, stop kneejerking thinking that ST is going down the hatch when two players whose contracts ran out are looking for different opportunities. It happens, big deal. I wish the best for both ST and Squirtle.
On January 14 2013 17:27 Big-t wrote: Why would you leave ST? A few days ago, I saw some team stats where Startail place 1 was
That's the problem. When all your players are performing well and having a lot of success. It becomes very expensive to keep them all. If you follow american sports (NBA, MLB, NFL), it is not uncommon for championship teams to lose some of their core players the following season because they can't afford to keep everyone. When players win championship, their value raises but the team budget is still the same.
The only exception to this is soccer where the biggest teams can keep all their star players AND sign more(Real Madrid, Barca, ManU, etc). But that is mainly due to owners who are very wealthy or clubs that are allowed to run on a huge debt.
Honestly, I was surprised that IM hasn't lost anyone considering their roster. But the LG sponsorship probably helped them out a lot with that.
I hope that StarTale won't fall apart just like what happened to TSL. Sad to see Squirtle leave, though. Hope he finds a team that would suit his standards.
Heartbreaking news for me. Without parting/squirtle i'll be removing the Startale tag. Guess it's gonna be SKT for now, and then the team Squirtle joins later if I like it. But not being able to support ST_Squirtle is like losing SlayerS_MMA all over again...
When Parting left, I was sad, but now I'm angry at both of them (Parting+Squirtle) to leave Startale at the same time and put one of the best korean team in a tough spot
I'm hoping this means Ace will step up. I loved his interviews and watching him play. This is his opportunity to get the spotlight if he can give us some good results. Startale will be good they still have Life and Won seems like a really standup manager.
I wonder how much money is KT going to buy him with? The other thread has it that Parting got 70M won (66k USD) for 8 months, and I think that not even ST can compete with that.
As for ST, they can put Squirtle's and Parting's current salary all into Life. That might be enough to compete.
LG-IM looking pretty good about right now. Will be interesting to see what kind of plans squirtle has for the future, KeSPA or foriegn .. or maybe another eSF team?
On January 14 2013 19:58 Fliparoni wrote: Things aren't looking good for the ESF if all their top players keep on going to KESPA teams if that's what Squirtle's intent is.
"Losing all their top players"??? For now it is ONE player...
On January 14 2013 19:58 Fliparoni wrote: Things aren't looking good for the ESF if all their top players keep on going to KESPA teams if that's what Squirtle's intent is.
"Losing all their top players"??? For now it is ONE player...
Man, poor Startale. As much as I like SKT1, they already picked up PartinG. I really like Squirtle, but for the sake of competition, I hope he ends up on a different team.
I hate to be really, really cynical...but given how KeSPA has decided to "arrange" the seeding of players to their own teams one could almost see this as yet another move in the war against GOM.
Gradually drain all the ESF teams of their best players through lucrative contracts as their current contracts end. Then pull all KeSPA players out of GSL on the basis of being "too busy". This didn't work last time because ESF threatened to pull their own players from OSL, but if KeSPA already has most of the best GSL competitors then that kind of threat isn't going to work as well for ESF.
I just hope I'm being massively overly paranoid, but I wouldn't put ANYTHING past KeSPA. -_-
Regardless this is sad, PartinG and now Squirtle; but if it means they get good money it was probably the right choice for them personally. Although there is one mildly amusing spark in that whenever I read about moves like this I have that "elephant in the room" article in the back of my mind; almost comical how wrong that has turned out to be.
Startale got no protoss now. I mean. Brain and Ace might be alright, but not on the same level.
Well. They still have Life, Bomber, Hack, and the Code S Guardian. So they won't get smacked around in GSTL but still. Sucks to see how kespa sucks the life out of ESF. But they just got the better organized and well funded teams. Maybe that was the elephant in the room after all. Maybe Kespa players will never dominate in SC2 like they used to, but Kespa teams sure as hell will.
On January 14 2013 21:44 Lightspeaker wrote: I hate to be really, really cynical...but given how KeSPA has decided to "arrange" the seeding of players to their own teams one could almost see this as yet another move in the war against GOM.
Gradually drain all the ESF teams of their best players through lucrative contracts as their current contracts end. Then pull all KeSPA players out of GSL on the basis of being "too busy". This didn't work last time because ESF threatened to pull their own players from OSL, but if KeSPA already has most of the best GSL competitors then that kind of threat isn't going to work as well for ESF.
I just hope I'm being massively overly paranoid, but I wouldn't put ANYTHING past KeSPA. -_-
Regardless this is sad, PartinG and now Squirtle; but if it means they get good money it was probably the right choice for them personally. Although there is one mildly amusing spark in that whenever I read about moves like this I have that "elephant in the room" article in the back of my mind; almost comical how wrong that has turned out to be.
or: good players are going to be given good contracts for giving good tournament results.
it would be REALLY weird if all of a sudden esf players and kespa players weren't competing in each other's tournaments. the fans would get angry, everyone would get bad PR, kespa would be committing suicide.
really don't need to be jumping to conclusions here.
On January 14 2013 21:44 Lightspeaker wrote: I hate to be really, really cynical...but given how KeSPA has decided to "arrange" the seeding of players to their own teams one could almost see this as yet another move in the war against GOM.
Gradually drain all the ESF teams of their best players through lucrative contracts as their current contracts end. Then pull all KeSPA players out of GSL on the basis of being "too busy". This didn't work last time because ESF threatened to pull their own players from OSL, but if KeSPA already has most of the best GSL competitors then that kind of threat isn't going to work as well for ESF.
I just hope I'm being massively overly paranoid, but I wouldn't put ANYTHING past KeSPA. -_-
Regardless this is sad, PartinG and now Squirtle; but if it means they get good money it was probably the right choice for them personally. Although there is one mildly amusing spark in that whenever I read about moves like this I have that "elephant in the room" article in the back of my mind; almost comical how wrong that has turned out to be.
PartinG's choice is totally understandable. At this point, he could grab a quite nice salary contract with kespa, something that he couldn't really do with any eSF team. And HotS is coming in barely 2 months, parting can't really know for how long he could really get decent money only by tourneys, or a decent contract later on.
I don't find this to be a kespa vs esf war, but more like a player with common sense and good judgement (probably their parents influenced his decisions i guess)
On January 14 2013 21:44 Lightspeaker wrote: I hate to be really, really cynical...but given how KeSPA has decided to "arrange" the seeding of players to their own teams one could almost see this as yet another move in the war against GOM.
Gradually drain all the ESF teams of their best players through lucrative contracts as their current contracts end. Then pull all KeSPA players out of GSL on the basis of being "too busy". This didn't work last time because ESF threatened to pull their own players from OSL, but if KeSPA already has most of the best GSL competitors then that kind of threat isn't going to work as well for ESF.
I just hope I'm being massively overly paranoid, but I wouldn't put ANYTHING past KeSPA. -_-
Regardless this is sad, PartinG and now Squirtle; but if it means they get good money it was probably the right choice for them personally. Although there is one mildly amusing spark in that whenever I read about moves like this I have that "elephant in the room" article in the back of my mind; almost comical how wrong that has turned out to be.
I am not sure if Kespa has the resources. Only SKT and KT made bid for PartinG. It is pretty well known they are the 2 most popular teams. Not sure if the other teams can afford similar contracts. Remember, Kespa also 'lost' 2 players to foreign teams in JD and Sea.
Obviously, the eSF teams are struggling. I think they really need to see how they can finance themselves. I know a lot of people give EG crap for streaming before a pro league match, etc. But at the end of the day, you have to pay the bills. And yes, winning does take care of some of it. But there is only so many sponsors to go around. With LoL gaining more popularity in Korea, and Kespa teams coming in, there just isn't enough sponsor money to go around.
Wow Korean teams are all falling apart now after Slayers and TSL disbanded. Who's left? LG-IM, MVP, Prime, NSH, and FXO. I'm going to call Prime being the next victim with them only having 6 players on the roster.
Edit; I forgot about Azubu! Hoping Azubu picks up more people.
You can't blame the players for trying to get as much money as they can. These guys have such short careers. A 30 year old pro gamer is rare. Also, the pro gamers tend to skip education and normal careers. So, there is a very real danger of ending up as a 30-something former pro gamer, with injured wrists, no education, and few career prospects unless they can snag a (probably very rare) job with an e-sports related entity.
On January 14 2013 23:31 GunSec wrote: seems that ST is going to disband really soon!
That's a bit of an overexaggeration, they have some great players including Life. Still sad to see ST lose so many players aswell as the players losing their team.
On January 14 2013 23:51 mongmong wrote: Im wondering what will happen to Life when his contract expires. Will he renew it? or will he seek other opportunities such as joining a kespa team?
Being on a KeSPA team is a full-time commitment. Didn't Life say that he wanted to focus on his studies?
On January 14 2013 23:51 mongmong wrote: Im wondering what will happen to Life when his contract expires. Will he renew it? or will he seek other opportunities such as joining a kespa team?
Being on a KeSPA team is a full-time commitment. Didn't Life say that he wanted to focus on his studies?
Well, wait what will happen once he will get the offer of committing to sc2 full time WITH a full-time salary. (As he gets none from ST)
Anyways, eager to see what Kespa team is interested in Squirtle.
Wow another blow to ST protoss line up I hope Squirtle can find a new team soon. I'm sure ST will be ok though they still have a lot of really talented players!
What? Can't believe it for 30sec After that I just remember that Squirtle and PartinG are the best friends ( Yes they are really ). Can understand this
If bomber does join the army, the only thing they need him to do is dropping bombs and he can do that from his comp when he has a break from practice :D
On January 15 2013 02:35 Lazzi wrote: Startale used to be my favored team but without Squirtle and Parting it isn't the same.
U just wanna say ur team won right? Dudes and dudettes, dont worry, ST must have some young talent that we didnt heard off yet. And plz, stop whining, what sort of a supporter are u?
On January 15 2013 02:35 Lazzi wrote: Startale used to be my favored team but without Squirtle and Parting it isn't the same.
U just wanna say ur team won right? Dudes and dudettes, dont worry, ST must have some young talent that we didnt heard off yet. And plz, stop whining, what sort of a supporter are u?
Yeah, real clever comment. Liking Squirtle makes you opportunistic, lol. He wins so many tournaments.
On a serious note, I feel the same way. Only player I really like on ST now is probably Bomber, and well, he's not the guy you want your favourite team to depend on at all times.
On January 15 2013 01:01 Faust852 wrote: Greedy players are greedy. Sad tbh, Loyalty lost once again against money ;(
Posts like this make me want to cry. No one knows how much he is currently earning or how much he is asking for. SC players have a relatively short shelf life and the competition is brutal
Big loss for Startale, but i am sure they will recover
This really cuts deep, real deep. Wonder if ST will go find another protoss or just stick it out until HotS comes out? Damn it, another bleach spot on my ST uniform!
On January 15 2013 01:01 Faust852 wrote: Greedy players are greedy. Sad tbh, Loyalty lost once again against money ;(
loyalty won't pay for living expenses. also, see TSL's framework for "loyalty"
The teams do though. Not saying there's anything wrong with wanting more, because there really isn't.
I wonder if the foreign team trend is starting to shift to KeSPA trend now for the ESF Korean players.
the teams will support the players when they're in the team house/on the team, sure. but from what i've seen, it's almost expected of young players that are well off to funnel funds to their parents, at least in some respect. concurrently, after their progaming career, hopefully they have some money saved so they can continue to support themselves in future ventures. i'm not saying this as like a definitive thing, but it definitely would make their lives easier.
Evil plan by startale coach to infiltrate all of the Kespa teams with one of his players? They utilise their experience to become coaches for each of their teams, rise through the organisation that destroy Kespa from the inside? :O
On January 15 2013 05:22 Yonnua wrote: Evil plan by startale coach to infiltrate all of the Kespa teams with one of his players? They utilise their experience to become coaches for each of their teams, rise through the organisation that destroy Kespa from the inside? :O
On January 15 2013 01:01 Faust852 wrote: Greedy players are greedy. Sad tbh, Loyalty lost once again against money ;(
Posts like this make me want to cry. No one knows how much he is currently earning or how much he is asking for. SC players have a relatively short shelf life and the competition is brutal
Big loss for Startale, but i am sure they will recover
Someone postet earlier in this thread that Parting made about 20k on Startale and there was another post/article saying he now makes about 70k.
On January 15 2013 06:42 Otis Jenkins wrote: I foresee more eSF players leaving their teams for KeSPA. The appeal is just too good. Money & stability at the cost of slightly less freedom.
Coeteris paribus, yes. But if you know anything about economy you would predict that eSF is going to become a little bit more aggressive in player salaries. They will make sponsors pay up more money so that the players don't leave the team.
On January 15 2013 06:42 Otis Jenkins wrote: I foresee more eSF players leaving their teams for KeSPA. The appeal is just too good. Money & stability at the cost of slightly less freedom.
Coeteris paribus, yes. But if you know anything about economy you would predict that eSF is going to become a little bit more aggressive in player salaries. They will make sponsors pay up more money so that the players don't leave the team.
More exciting is if ESF and Kespa start becoming more and more money from sponsors just from the drama the two groups create. First Esf gets more money, then Kespa gets more money, suddenly foreign teams *have* to start making Korea their focus, and it will be a Kespa/ESF/World madness
On January 15 2013 06:42 Otis Jenkins wrote: I foresee more eSF players leaving their teams for KeSPA. The appeal is just too good. Money & stability at the cost of slightly less freedom.
Coeteris paribus, yes. But if you know anything about economy you would predict that eSF is going to become a little bit more aggressive in player salaries. They will make sponsors pay up more money so that the players don't leave the team.
More exciting is if ESF and Kespa start becoming more and more money from sponsors just from the drama the two groups create. First Esf gets more money, then Kespa gets more money, suddenly foreign teams *have* to start making Korea their focus, and it will be a Kespa/ESF/World madness
Or maybe I'm being too hopeful.
I think you are. ^w^
But I don't think that is the future of "e-sports" (ew, I hate this name). SC will become more and more an individual game, and not team-based anymore, having only some minor team events just like tennis. Tennis have a lot of individual players, but the mid tier ones are in clubs, and once they break out they become individually coached and sometimes go to a Davis Cup (which I don't even know if it still exists).
On January 15 2013 07:42 usethis2 wrote: Who sponsor team MVP and Prime?
I had predicted this a long time ago despite Kespa apologists' denial. You can't blame players but you surely can blame Kespa.
A company named Lotte and they have partnerships with MYM and some Taiwanese team. MVP should be safe, same with Startale, IM, FXO and NSHS. I think we only have to worry about Prime.
And to be frank, my fanboyism for both Squirtle and Parting had gone down quite a bit from this saga. Don't get me wrong, I would probably have made the same choice were I put in their shoes. But that's why everyone is nobody. You want something different from your idols than yourselves.
On January 15 2013 07:42 usethis2 wrote: Who sponsor team MVP and Prime?
I had predicted this a long time ago despite Kespa apologists' denial. You can't blame players but you surely can blame Kespa.
I know a lot of us here don't like Kespa. But on this issue, I don't see what is wrong with it. The players' contracts had run out. Are they just suppose to not offer players more money just because they are from eSF? How is this different from foreign teams who offer better salary/more chances at foreign events?
I think also long as they aren't tampering with players before their contracts are up, everything is fair game.
I still hope he keeps his name because I always like to say this when he Beas a foreigner.. "Some 30 year old foreigner just got beaten by a Pokemon kid.. LOL"
On January 15 2013 04:35 Thieving Magpie wrote: I didn't realize that the elephant was actually ESF players overtaking Kespa players...
We'll see. If the introduction of EGTL in PL is anything to go on, being a "code S level" player doesn't mean anything in the competition in PL.
Individual league>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Team league results when it comes to player evaluation. Do you even know how Flash earned his title as one of the greatest starcraft players? Dude, its more like 'being a great pl player doesnt mean anything in the competition in individual leagues'
It's all about money here and money controls our lives. We all depend our life on a number and its kind of sad really that our minds shifted that way. Our human race will probably migrate to other planets any time soon or even at all because here we are on the planet earth that can even keep the whole world at peace. Pride for countries will always exist in people and as long as that is there we will always have hatred for one another... We are our own enemies.
Might of gotten off track here but squirtle has proven himself lately to be a calibre player so I think he deserves a decent salary. It's good to see a player trying to set a standard for esports And making sure they get paid right in the first place. Like my country we are starting to get an influx of Chinese migrants with sets of decent skills and are willing to work for $10an hour while the people already here were getting paid $50 an hour to do the same thing.
Even slayers Jessica tried to transfer MMA for an apparent ridic price but I respect her for trying to set the standard because everyone else were like "LOL, Chinese people can do a better job at $10 an hour".
Anyways I hope squirtle fulfil his dreams and find a decent team as teams seem quite scarce now and as an iPhone app developer in a saturated app market, I can feel the pain when the Kespa players transitioned as well as a hge number of saturated tournies.... We start to make less money individually.
On January 14 2013 10:18 Adreme wrote: I am less worried because ST is deep enough to STILL be one of the deepest ESF teams despite there recent losses.
only Ace is remaining as A-team protoss... Or you mean ST don't need protoss !?
Good luck to squirtle with finding a new team. He has already shown that he is a great player and I hope he will finally get a tournament win this year!
Always humbles me to know that I was wrong on the Esf vs Kespa thing, I thought the early foundation esf had would keep them going really strong for a while, but now having more information about the amount of power and understanding of the industry that Kespa has I feel like an idiot for not realizing this earlier. Anyway, my post sounds more negative about esf then it should as esf still has some teams that should be fine for a while, but Kespa is starting to gain the edge.
On January 14 2013 10:18 Adreme wrote: I am less worried because ST is deep enough to STILL be one of the deepest ESF teams despite there recent losses.
only Ace is remaining as A-team protoss... Or you mean ST don't need protoss !?
On January 14 2013 10:18 Adreme wrote: I am less worried because ST is deep enough to STILL be one of the deepest ESF teams despite there recent losses.
only Ace is remaining as A-team protoss... Or you mean ST don't need protoss !?
On January 14 2013 10:14 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: whoa, darn i wish teams were more "stable", as the "home" of a player would be more significant and interesting in stories and such
yeah same here. it's weird because it seemed clear to me that startale started doing really well again when life rose up. Suddenly Parting, Hack, Bomber, Curious and Squirtle start performing rather well.
And now they are leaving the team one after the other?? What's going on??
Not good for esports that's for sure.
I guess players want to get paid but teams are still poor. Sucks.
Wow the end of the WOL era is soon arriving and with it the era of many teams that were present when it joined the eSports ranks. Seriously what's up with these teams? TSL going down is where things really started to look like something was not right and now ST is showing similar problems, I have a feeling the HOTS era will be dominated by Kespa teams with IM being the sole ESF force later on down the line.
Squirtle will be fine as he's the smartest Protoss player in the world, much like MVP does for Terran he comes up with the strats and builds so he'll find a team soon.
On January 17 2013 04:44 Wyrdness wrote: Wow the end of the WOL era is soon arriving and with it the era of many teams that were present when it joined the eSports ranks. Seriously what's up with these teams? TSL going down is where things really started to look like something was not right and now ST is showing similar problems, I have a feeling the HOTS era will be dominated by Kespa teams with IM being the sole ESF force later on down the line.
Squirtle will be fine as he's the smartest Protoss player in the world, much like MVP does for Terran he comes up with the strats and builds so he'll find a team soon.
dominated by kespa teams with exESF players maybe xD except a few select kespa players the others are way worse...I mean if revival who never got in the gsl manages to all kill or be close to all kill in proleague like everytime he's send says something xD
On January 17 2013 04:44 Wyrdness wrote: Wow the end of the WOL era is soon arriving and with it the era of many teams that were present when it joined the eSports ranks. Seriously what's up with these teams? TSL going down is where things really started to look like something was not right and now ST is showing similar problems, I have a feeling the HOTS era will be dominated by Kespa teams with IM being the sole ESF force later on down the line.
Squirtle will be fine as he's the smartest Protoss player in the world, much like MVP does for Terran he comes up with the strats and builds so he'll find a team soon.
dominated by kespa teams with exESF players maybe xD except a few select kespa players the others are way worse...I mean if revival who never got in the gsl manages to all kill or be close to all kill in proleague like everytime he's send says something xD
Care to explain what are you talking about? Because appart from revival´s 2 wins against SKT on jan,8, im not seing his all-kill or 3 wins (Close to all kill). Or are you saying everything over 1 win is close to all-kill? Maybe we just think diferent, but for me a 3x2 record, isn´t owning.
On January 14 2013 10:18 Adreme wrote: I am less worried because ST is deep enough to STILL be one of the deepest ESF teams despite there recent losses.
only Ace is remaining as A-team protoss... Or you mean ST don't need protoss !?
VINES > Ace IMO
VINES isn't on ST...so why would that ever matter?
This game has taken a tremendous hit in popularity the last 6 months. Just last night during primetime there were only 3,000 people viewing SC2 streams on twitch.tv. That's the lowest number I can ever remember seeing. I think everyone from the teams to the sponsors expected more from this game. I think the teams that have been around for SC2's entire lifespan have a more realistic understanding of where this game stands and what its future is. I think the players are banking on KESPA being a little slow to catch on to just how bad things really are.
Woongjin Stars new house. Prob this is why Squirtle left lolololol
LOL. Nice house. As i see its more focused on lifestile over a spartan practice place.
On January 18 2013 03:46 jdsowa wrote: This game has taken a tremendous hit in popularity the last 6 months. Just last night during primetime there were only 3,000 people viewing SC2 streams on twitch.tv. That's the lowest number I can ever remember seeing. I think everyone from the teams to the sponsors expected more from this game. I think the teams that have been around for SC2's entire lifespan have a more realistic understanding of where this game stands and what its future is. I think the players are banking on KESPA being a little slow to catch on to just how bad things really are.
Yeah, but remember. KESPA primary focus is on Korea and TV.
On January 18 2013 03:46 jdsowa wrote: This game has taken a tremendous hit in popularity the last 6 months. Just last night during primetime there were only 3,000 people viewing SC2 streams on twitch.tv. That's the lowest number I can ever remember seeing. I think everyone from the teams to the sponsors expected more from this game. I think the teams that have been around for SC2's entire lifespan have a more realistic understanding of where this game stands and what its future is. I think the players are banking on KESPA being a little slow to catch on to just how bad things really are.
Are you sure about that? My perception is that the numbers have been on the rise for the last few weeks, with popular streamers like Idra, Jaedong, Stephano hitting very high 2011ish numbers. Heck, even Huk hit 4k just a few hours ago. Maybe you just looked at a bad time? I think this recovery was discussed on th ITG as well.
I think Squirtle leaving doesn't make much sense, since with Parting's departure, wouldn't he have been in a position to ask for higher salary as newest best protoss on the team?
On January 18 2013 04:37 Grumbels wrote: I think Squirtle leaving doesn't make much sense, since with Parting's departure, wouldn't he have been in a position to ask for higher salary as newest best protoss on the team?
and what exactly makes you think he didn't do that?
On January 18 2013 04:37 Grumbels wrote: I think Squirtle leaving doesn't make much sense, since with Parting's departure, wouldn't he have been in a position to ask for higher salary as newest best protoss on the team?
Think it'll be a KeSPA team that signs him but I really hope that Liquid will pick him up. That would leave them with an even sicker lineup for Proleague.
On January 19 2013 07:03 Petrone wrote: Think it'll be a KeSPA team that signs him but I really hope that Liquid will pick him up. That would leave them with an even sicker lineup for Proleague.
On January 19 2013 07:03 Petrone wrote: Think it'll be a KeSPA team that signs him but I really hope that Liquid will pick him up. That would leave them with an even sicker lineup for Proleague.
Or he'll be picked up the KeSPA lottery way and become the first official EGTL member! That'd be awkward
On January 14 2013 10:18 Adreme wrote: I am less worried because ST is deep enough to STILL be one of the deepest ESF teams despite there recent losses.
only Ace is remaining as A-team protoss... Or you mean ST don't need protoss !?
On January 19 2013 07:03 Petrone wrote: Think it'll be a KeSPA team that signs him but I really hope that Liquid will pick him up. That would leave them with an even sicker lineup for Proleague.
Or he'll be picked up the KeSPA lottery way and become the first official EGTL member! That'd be awkward
Noooo. I think ST is no longer my favourite korean team :/.
From ST/Quantic having Parting, Squirlte, ace, Nani and SaSe to CHANGE PLACES! Its like when oGs/TL lost MC, HerO and MC. I want a powerhouse for toss players :/.
I just wish these big successful teams could just be stable and retain their players.
On January 22 2013 19:06 NightOfTheDead wrote: Parting left at his best form, which makes sense. Squirtle on the other hand isnt in good shape at all. Imo that was not the best move.
You must not have watched the Up and Down matches, Squirtle is almost back to his old self from what I have seen. He is practicing a lot more these days and would easily be the ace for any Kespa team he joins.
On January 19 2013 07:03 Petrone wrote: Think it'll be a KeSPA team that signs him but I really hope that Liquid will pick him up. That would leave them with an even sicker lineup for Proleague.
You mean LiquidSquirt incoming ?
Oh God, Victor, please just leave Squirtle, I beg thee.
Woongjin Stars new house. Prob this is why Squirtle left lolololol
Holy shit that place looks incredible! 2 story condo with maid who makes you food?
well, hopefully this quells rumors that Stars may break up (parent company Woongjin not doing so well). Seems like woongjin upped their investment in the team. Awesome :D
On January 22 2013 19:06 NightOfTheDead wrote: Parting left at his best form, which makes sense. Squirtle on the other hand isnt in good shape at all. Imo that was not the best move.
I think he got teased by PartinG. But I agree with you as well, Squirtle isn't really in the best shape of his life (that would probably be somewhere around his IPL run).
On January 28 2013 09:19 hansonslee wrote: Hasn't anyone considered LG-IM? They have been picking up a lot of players lately. They could use another good protoss, if they are feeling greedy!
Well, players that LG-IM picked up (Byul and RagnaroK) were players with potential but not a 'big' name. So they were probably looking for a much lower salary and not much expectations of being sent to foreign events (unless they qualify and get paid for, of course).
For players like Symbol, HyuN, Squirtle who are more established. They are probably looking for a higher salary and also more opportunities at foreign events. I am not saying they will just go to a team for money, but I am sure it will be a main factor.
EPT
i wish teams were more "stable", as the "home" of a player would be more significant and interesting in stories and such
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But I agree with you as well, Squirtle isn't really in the best shape of his life (that would probably be somewhere around his IPL run).
