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mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
December 10 2012 09:41 GMT
#41
not much choice of teams who have team houses in Europe, unless he goes to MoW:
Millenium (house in Marseille)
Alien Invasion (house in Germany)
ESC Gaming (house in Germany)
Fnatic (office in London)
SK Gaming (office in Germany)
Alternate (office in Germany, i think)
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
JtoK
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany232 Posts
December 10 2012 09:44 GMT
#42
Complexity could be the next team disbanding, after Quantic.
RippuL
Profile Joined June 2011
6 Posts
December 10 2012 09:45 GMT
#43
I like how Complexity can offer positive talk to both players and wish them great luck without a single negative comment, even though it seemed like Ganzi and Complexity probably argued over financial issues. I'm probably wrong but nonetheless, great to see from a very professional team. :DDD
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 09:47:06
December 10 2012 09:46 GMT
#44
On December 10 2012 18:41 mikkmagro wrote:
not much choice of teams who have team houses in Europe, unless he goes to MoW:
Millenium (house in Marseille)
Alien Invasion (house in Germany)
ESC Gaming (house in Germany)
Fnatic (office in London)
SK Gaming (office in Germany)
Alternate (office in Germany, i think)


hope not, their LoL team is top 2 in the world now, players that arent better than Oz or aLive (GanZi and gowser clearly arent) would keep the team mediocre as it is. just wish fnatic would get back on the top of foreign teams and recruit some real huge names :/
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Thelymus
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands131 Posts
December 10 2012 09:46 GMT
#45
On December 10 2012 18:44 JtoK wrote:
Complexity could be the next team disbanding, after Quantic.


Complexity is much more than just an SC2 team, they won't be disbanding any time soon.

Best of luck to Ganzi and goswser!
No more zero days
ne0lith
Profile Joined August 2011
537 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 09:46:37
December 10 2012 09:46 GMT
#46
On December 10 2012 18:00 ROOTMajOr wrote:

go look at his last results and tell me straigh in the face he isnt good?



He isn't good.
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
December 10 2012 09:46 GMT
#47
SKT Ganzi, the True Dong in Proleague.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
December 10 2012 09:47 GMT
#48
On December 10 2012 18:04 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 17:25 Swish 41 wrote:
On December 10 2012 17:16 algue wrote:
I predict goswser in millenium's roster soon !


Why should a random NA player join Millenium?

Millenium/Llewellys has a good eye for talent. If they want him, it's because they see something in him. And he has gotten pretty good results recently, it makes some sense.

He will join Millenium, Otolia already said it yesterday, so the french community obviously knows it already.

Technically I predicted it last month here.

The whole story was, during a showmatch between ForGG and Symbol (7/11), Llewellys announced that the new zerg wasn't neither from EU nor Korean. So we were left with a few possibilities among hailing from NA which goswser and ostojiy were the only reasonable choice : ViBE wasn't going to leave ROOT, IdrA won't ever leave EG, scarlett likes Nerchio and acer whereas Suppy and Fitzyhere were still relative unknown.

Yesterday, goswser was announced to be at the Millenium house next weekend (during a MillTV stream) and Thud from Ponf&Thud also disclosed that goswser who won his Iron Squid group was signing with a big team (relative since coL is also a big team ^^)

All in all, we were just waiting coL to announce the release of goswser as Llewellys isn't a person who poach players.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
December 10 2012 09:48 GMT
#49
Complexity shrinking fast these days
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
December 10 2012 09:54 GMT
#50
On December 10 2012 18:44 JtoK wrote:
Complexity could be the next team disbanding, after Quantic.

coL and Quantic have a very different economic model of an eSports club. coL has been operating almost since the beginning of NA eSports, whilst Quantic got handy investors in 2011 and instantly shot up to fame, but as soon as investment money stopped, the team defaulted. coL gets money from a variety of sources, and also has some of the biggest names in eSports for management.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
number01
Profile Joined December 2012
203 Posts
December 10 2012 09:57 GMT
#51
I am really happy for both of them. Hopefully Goswer can keep expanding his talents on Europe.
Idra is the reason I play SC
markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
December 10 2012 10:07 GMT
#52
Goswser can become the best player to represent NA if he keeps this trajectory. Best of luck to Millennium an CompLexity
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
December 10 2012 10:18 GMT
#53
ganzi still has to do his military service i believe.
RaelSan
Profile Joined February 2012
Belgium223 Posts
December 10 2012 10:33 GMT
#54
On December 10 2012 18:54 mikkmagro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 18:44 JtoK wrote:
Complexity could be the next team disbanding, after Quantic.

coL and Quantic have a very different economic model of an eSports club. coL has been operating almost since the beginning of NA eSports, whilst Quantic got handy investors in 2011 and instantly shot up to fame, but as soon as investment money stopped, the team defaulted. coL gets money from a variety of sources, and also has some of the biggest names in eSports for management.


Nice words, but the fact is, they are both unsuccesful and their players are not that popular, even with the best business model this ship can only sink.. I called it when Quantic died, because both teams are quite similar and struggle to win anything.
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
December 10 2012 10:43 GMT
#55
Didn't Ganzi say last year, when he joined complexity, that he will leave for military in 2013?
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
December 10 2012 10:44 GMT
#56
EG_Ganzi_RC Hwaiting!!!!
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 10 2012 10:46 GMT
#57
Goswer coming to us to Europe? Oh yeah!
Swish 41
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany154 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 10:54:53
December 10 2012 10:54 GMT
#58
On December 10 2012 18:44 JtoK wrote:
Complexity could be the next team disbanding, after Quantic.


No! Watch last StarCast with Jason Lake. He said its the time of changes, because contracts run out. Complexity is after some "Ex-Quantic" and Teamless-Korean Players. So don't panic, you can keep 50% of NA ProTeams. :D
d2bonzai
Profile Joined August 2012
France21 Posts
December 10 2012 10:55 GMT
#59
Llewelys announed that Millenium will recruit a non-european/non-korean zerg player, that was qualified for IPL5, this news just confirm it.
ROOTSasquatch
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States234 Posts
December 10 2012 10:58 GMT
#60
goodbye my loves
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