• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:33
CEST 19:33
KST 02:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down10ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League54Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.166
StarCraft 2
General
REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? Sagi.gg Launcher Released [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [ASL22] Grand Finals [BSL23] RO24 Group Stage KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7629 users

GSL Tour Finals + 2013 GSL Tour Details - Page 11

Forum Index > SC2 General
238 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 Next All
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
December 05 2012 18:15 GMT
#201
If Mvp wins this he should be forever known as the Bonjwa for WoL.

Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
December 05 2012 18:17 GMT
#202
On December 06 2012 03:15 ref4 wrote:
If Mvp wins this he should be forever known as the Bonjwa for WoL.



Nope, he isn't and won't be called a bonjwa.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3775 Posts
December 05 2012 18:45 GMT
#203
On December 06 2012 03:17 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 03:15 ref4 wrote:
If Mvp wins this he should be forever known as the Bonjwa for WoL.



Nope, he isn't and won't be called a bonjwa.

Yea. He was close at one time - if only there was no MMA... Now he is not. But honestly I start to think that there won't be Bonjwa. More fuel to the "SC2 has to low skill ceiling" argument I guess.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
December 10 2012 02:01 GMT
#204
Not sure if anyone else posted but here are the GSL Tour Finals Groups
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
December 10 2012 02:06 GMT
#205
MVP is already the most accomplished player in WoL~ winning or losing this wont do anything.
Long live the Boss Toss!
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 10 2012 02:15 GMT
#206
On December 10 2012 11:01 Thrillz wrote:
Not sure if anyone else posted but here are the GSL Tour Finals Groups


For those that only read threads.

Group A
(T)MVP
(Z)DongRaeGu
(P)HerO
(Z)Leenock
(P)PartinG

Group B
(Z)Sniper
(Z)Life
(P)Rain
(Z)viOLet
(P)Seed

I think Group A will be Leenock > Parting > MVP > Hero > DRG
Group B Sniper > Life > Violet > Rain > Seed

Pretty hard to tell either way. I think the biggest underdog here is Seed. He hasn't had a good last couple of months. Anyone from the rest could take it all imo.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 10 2012 02:16 GMT
#207
Good news everyone, Mvp isn't in the harder group.

RIP Seed, he's fucked.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 10 2012 02:19 GMT
#208
On December 10 2012 11:16 Dodgin wrote:
Good news everyone, Mvp isn't in the harder group.

RIP Seed, he's fucked.


pfft

he just needs to freshen up

[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +

jk he's fucked T_T
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 02:22:41
December 10 2012 02:20 GMT
#209
Judging from what I've seen currently for each player, I think the placements will go something like this

Group A : Leenock, HerO, PartinG, DRG, Mvp
Group B: viOLet, Life/Rain (interchangeable really, these two are really close in terms of skill), Sniper, Seed

I just don't see anyone defeating Leenock and viOLet currently, PartinG/HerO/Life/Rain/Sniper are contenders but unlikely to defeat Leenock/viOlet, while DRG, Mvp and Seed haven't really been impressing me recently. But hey, its frigging Mvp.

@FrostedMiniWheats: Oh lawl.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
LemonyTang
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom437 Posts
December 10 2012 02:30 GMT
#210
MVP will win.
Mvp #1
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
December 10 2012 02:30 GMT
#211
Hopefully Rain actually plays through the whole thing lol.
AlLaboUtME
Profile Joined October 2012
16 Posts
December 10 2012 02:32 GMT
#212
On December 06 2012 03:45 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 03:17 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On December 06 2012 03:15 ref4 wrote:
If Mvp wins this he should be forever known as the Bonjwa for WoL.



Nope, he isn't and won't be called a bonjwa.

Yea. He was close at one time - if only there was no MMA... Now he is not. But honestly I start to think that there won't be Bonjwa. More fuel to the "SC2 has to low skill ceiling" argument I guess.


We are just summing up the game that is Wings of Liberty, we still have two expansions to go and who knows what will happen then? Now with a larger pool of korean players with the KeSPA players in the picture, when the expansions are figured out and the metagame becomes somewhat stable as it has been lately in WoL we will see something at least resembling a bonjwa in Brood War.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
December 10 2012 02:39 GMT
#213
ooh, nice groups.

i hope GSL S1 next year can be like another super tourney maybe :p
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
December 10 2012 02:40 GMT
#214
On December 10 2012 11:32 AlLaboUtME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 03:45 nimdil wrote:
On December 06 2012 03:17 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On December 06 2012 03:15 ref4 wrote:
If Mvp wins this he should be forever known as the Bonjwa for WoL.



Nope, he isn't and won't be called a bonjwa.

Yea. He was close at one time - if only there was no MMA... Now he is not. But honestly I start to think that there won't be Bonjwa. More fuel to the "SC2 has to low skill ceiling" argument I guess.


We are just summing up the game that is Wings of Liberty, we still have two expansions to go and who knows what will happen then? Now with a larger pool of korean players with the KeSPA players in the picture, when the expansions are figured out and the metagame becomes somewhat stable as it has been lately in WoL we will see something at least resembling a bonjwa in Brood War.


I think LotV is the only period where a bonjwa can be crowned. WoL and HotS are too short to crown bonjwas, while LotV is the last expansion and going to be the most stable period because there would be no more unit changes unless Blizzard decides to take 6-8 years making LotV. But if we are to informally decide a bonjwa for WoL, I think most people have Mvp in mind.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 10 2012 02:42 GMT
#215
On December 10 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:
ooh, nice groups.

i hope GSL S1 next year can be like another super tourney maybe :p


I was honestly surprised they didn't do a super tournament again speaking of that. Why was it not continued? Were ratings worse? Production worse? I felt like there was way more hype for the super tournament than almost every other Code S that year. Or by taking a break from Code A/S it meant that ratings for that were worse as a result and it averaged out poorly?

I wonder, I don't remember hearing anything on it. [/derail]
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
December 10 2012 02:44 GMT
#216
On December 10 2012 11:42 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:
ooh, nice groups.

i hope GSL S1 next year can be like another super tourney maybe :p


I was honestly surprised they didn't do a super tournament again speaking of that. Why was it not continued? Were ratings worse? Production worse? I felt like there was way more hype for the super tournament than almost every other Code S that year. Or by taking a break from Code A/S it meant that ratings for that were worse as a result and it averaged out poorly?

I wonder, I don't remember hearing anything on it. [/derail]


I don't remember, but I swear there was some small article about Super Tournament written by Fionn I think, which said something about ST being discontinued because of less hype and the prize pool being too large to be sustainable.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
December 10 2012 02:51 GMT
#217
^Well with only MVP as Terran in i'm def not going to bother watching this. I'm sick of ZvP and ZvP . PvP can be ok but the other two are a big drag.
6BiT
Profile Joined December 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 02:58:17
December 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#218
I don't think it matters if someone does or doesn't consider Mvp a "bonjwa". During Hots & Lotv eras, when people look back at the 2 and a half years of Wing of Liberty, Mvp will be remembered as the best/most dominant player.

I doubt any player will be as dominant as Mvp was in 2011.
stuff & things
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 10 2012 03:13 GMT
#219
On December 10 2012 11:57 6BiT wrote:
I don't think it matters if someone does or doesn't consider Mvp a "bonjwa". During Hots & Lotv eras, when people look back at the 2 and a half years of Wing of Liberty, Mvp will be remembered as the best/most dominant player.

I doubt any player will be as dominant as Mvp was in 2011.


I'd be more optimistic. MVP wasn't THAT dominant. MMA and Protoss gave him trouble enough, and Leenock knocked him out in the November season. His periods of momentum don't seem terribly beyond the realm of possibility to replicate.

Now to beat his number of gsl wins and finalist appearances overall in his career, that will be a tough feat to beat considering how hard it is to stay at the top these days. Though I think HotS is shaping up to raise the skill cap thankfully.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
December 10 2012 03:16 GMT
#220
On December 10 2012 11:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:16 Dodgin wrote:
Good news everyone, Mvp isn't in the harder group.

RIP Seed, he's fucked.


pfft

he just needs to freshen up

[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +

jk he's fucked T_T


To be honest, a couple of months earlier and these groups wouldn't look remotely similar in skill level.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 27m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 353
UpATreeSC 112
Codebar 31
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 32720
Calm 3373
Shuttle 608
firebathero 517
EffOrt 443
Dewaltoss 172
Rush 164
ProTech153
Soulkey 90
Mind 89
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 58
Mong 44
Barracks 41
PianO 35
Hm[arnc] 30
Movie 29
sorry 26
Free 22
HiyA 17
Sacsri 13
Terrorterran 13
Shine 9
Dota 2
Gorgc10977
qojqva2377
League of Legends
Reynor71
Counter-Strike
fl0m1537
byalli621
edward42
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr101
Other Games
B2W.Neo1022
Beastyqt956
FrodaN739
ceh9610
XaKoH 176
C9.Mang0146
Chillindude16
MindelVK10
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 25
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 160
• LUISG 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix16
• Pr0nogo 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3143
• WagamamaTV398
League of Legends
• Nemesis2255
• TFBlade773
Other Games
• Shiphtur892
• imaqtpie454
Upcoming Events
OSC
5h 27m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
17h 27m
Harstem vs Zoun
Harstem vs GgMaChine
GgMaChine vs Lambo
Harstem vs Lambo
GgMaChine vs Zoun
Lambo vs Zoun
OSC
20h 27m
FEL
1d 15h
Patches Events
1d 19h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 23h
FEL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.