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ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
December 05 2012 18:15 GMT
#201
If Mvp wins this he should be forever known as the Bonjwa for WoL.

Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
December 05 2012 18:17 GMT
#202
On December 06 2012 03:15 ref4 wrote:
If Mvp wins this he should be forever known as the Bonjwa for WoL.



Nope, he isn't and won't be called a bonjwa.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3769 Posts
December 05 2012 18:45 GMT
#203
On December 06 2012 03:17 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 03:15 ref4 wrote:
If Mvp wins this he should be forever known as the Bonjwa for WoL.



Nope, he isn't and won't be called a bonjwa.

Yea. He was close at one time - if only there was no MMA... Now he is not. But honestly I start to think that there won't be Bonjwa. More fuel to the "SC2 has to low skill ceiling" argument I guess.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
December 10 2012 02:01 GMT
#204
Not sure if anyone else posted but here are the GSL Tour Finals Groups
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
December 10 2012 02:06 GMT
#205
MVP is already the most accomplished player in WoL~ winning or losing this wont do anything.
Long live the Boss Toss!
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 10 2012 02:15 GMT
#206
On December 10 2012 11:01 Thrillz wrote:
Not sure if anyone else posted but here are the GSL Tour Finals Groups


For those that only read threads.

Group A
(T)MVP
(Z)DongRaeGu
(P)HerO
(Z)Leenock
(P)PartinG

Group B
(Z)Sniper
(Z)Life
(P)Rain
(Z)viOLet
(P)Seed

I think Group A will be Leenock > Parting > MVP > Hero > DRG
Group B Sniper > Life > Violet > Rain > Seed

Pretty hard to tell either way. I think the biggest underdog here is Seed. He hasn't had a good last couple of months. Anyone from the rest could take it all imo.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 10 2012 02:16 GMT
#207
Good news everyone, Mvp isn't in the harder group.

RIP Seed, he's fucked.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 10 2012 02:19 GMT
#208
On December 10 2012 11:16 Dodgin wrote:
Good news everyone, Mvp isn't in the harder group.

RIP Seed, he's fucked.


pfft

he just needs to freshen up

[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +

jk he's fucked T_T
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 02:22:41
December 10 2012 02:20 GMT
#209
Judging from what I've seen currently for each player, I think the placements will go something like this

Group A : Leenock, HerO, PartinG, DRG, Mvp
Group B: viOLet, Life/Rain (interchangeable really, these two are really close in terms of skill), Sniper, Seed

I just don't see anyone defeating Leenock and viOLet currently, PartinG/HerO/Life/Rain/Sniper are contenders but unlikely to defeat Leenock/viOlet, while DRG, Mvp and Seed haven't really been impressing me recently. But hey, its frigging Mvp.

@FrostedMiniWheats: Oh lawl.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
LemonyTang
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom436 Posts
December 10 2012 02:30 GMT
#210
MVP will win.
Mvp #1
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
December 10 2012 02:30 GMT
#211
Hopefully Rain actually plays through the whole thing lol.
AlLaboUtME
Profile Joined October 2012
16 Posts
December 10 2012 02:32 GMT
#212
On December 06 2012 03:45 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 03:17 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On December 06 2012 03:15 ref4 wrote:
If Mvp wins this he should be forever known as the Bonjwa for WoL.



Nope, he isn't and won't be called a bonjwa.

Yea. He was close at one time - if only there was no MMA... Now he is not. But honestly I start to think that there won't be Bonjwa. More fuel to the "SC2 has to low skill ceiling" argument I guess.


We are just summing up the game that is Wings of Liberty, we still have two expansions to go and who knows what will happen then? Now with a larger pool of korean players with the KeSPA players in the picture, when the expansions are figured out and the metagame becomes somewhat stable as it has been lately in WoL we will see something at least resembling a bonjwa in Brood War.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 10 2012 02:39 GMT
#213
ooh, nice groups.

i hope GSL S1 next year can be like another super tourney maybe :p
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
December 10 2012 02:40 GMT
#214
On December 10 2012 11:32 AlLaboUtME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 03:45 nimdil wrote:
On December 06 2012 03:17 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
On December 06 2012 03:15 ref4 wrote:
If Mvp wins this he should be forever known as the Bonjwa for WoL.



Nope, he isn't and won't be called a bonjwa.

Yea. He was close at one time - if only there was no MMA... Now he is not. But honestly I start to think that there won't be Bonjwa. More fuel to the "SC2 has to low skill ceiling" argument I guess.


We are just summing up the game that is Wings of Liberty, we still have two expansions to go and who knows what will happen then? Now with a larger pool of korean players with the KeSPA players in the picture, when the expansions are figured out and the metagame becomes somewhat stable as it has been lately in WoL we will see something at least resembling a bonjwa in Brood War.


I think LotV is the only period where a bonjwa can be crowned. WoL and HotS are too short to crown bonjwas, while LotV is the last expansion and going to be the most stable period because there would be no more unit changes unless Blizzard decides to take 6-8 years making LotV. But if we are to informally decide a bonjwa for WoL, I think most people have Mvp in mind.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 10 2012 02:42 GMT
#215
On December 10 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:
ooh, nice groups.

i hope GSL S1 next year can be like another super tourney maybe :p


I was honestly surprised they didn't do a super tournament again speaking of that. Why was it not continued? Were ratings worse? Production worse? I felt like there was way more hype for the super tournament than almost every other Code S that year. Or by taking a break from Code A/S it meant that ratings for that were worse as a result and it averaged out poorly?

I wonder, I don't remember hearing anything on it. [/derail]
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
December 10 2012 02:44 GMT
#216
On December 10 2012 11:42 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:39 opterown wrote:
ooh, nice groups.

i hope GSL S1 next year can be like another super tourney maybe :p


I was honestly surprised they didn't do a super tournament again speaking of that. Why was it not continued? Were ratings worse? Production worse? I felt like there was way more hype for the super tournament than almost every other Code S that year. Or by taking a break from Code A/S it meant that ratings for that were worse as a result and it averaged out poorly?

I wonder, I don't remember hearing anything on it. [/derail]


I don't remember, but I swear there was some small article about Super Tournament written by Fionn I think, which said something about ST being discontinued because of less hype and the prize pool being too large to be sustainable.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
December 10 2012 02:51 GMT
#217
^Well with only MVP as Terran in i'm def not going to bother watching this. I'm sick of ZvP and ZvP . PvP can be ok but the other two are a big drag.
6BiT
Profile Joined December 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 02:58:17
December 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#218
I don't think it matters if someone does or doesn't consider Mvp a "bonjwa". During Hots & Lotv eras, when people look back at the 2 and a half years of Wing of Liberty, Mvp will be remembered as the best/most dominant player.

I doubt any player will be as dominant as Mvp was in 2011.
stuff & things
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 10 2012 03:13 GMT
#219
On December 10 2012 11:57 6BiT wrote:
I don't think it matters if someone does or doesn't consider Mvp a "bonjwa". During Hots & Lotv eras, when people look back at the 2 and a half years of Wing of Liberty, Mvp will be remembered as the best/most dominant player.

I doubt any player will be as dominant as Mvp was in 2011.


I'd be more optimistic. MVP wasn't THAT dominant. MMA and Protoss gave him trouble enough, and Leenock knocked him out in the November season. His periods of momentum don't seem terribly beyond the realm of possibility to replicate.

Now to beat his number of gsl wins and finalist appearances overall in his career, that will be a tough feat to beat considering how hard it is to stay at the top these days. Though I think HotS is shaping up to raise the skill cap thankfully.
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InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
December 10 2012 03:16 GMT
#220
On December 10 2012 11:19 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:16 Dodgin wrote:
Good news everyone, Mvp isn't in the harder group.

RIP Seed, he's fucked.


pfft

he just needs to freshen up

[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +

jk he's fucked T_T


To be honest, a couple of months earlier and these groups wouldn't look remotely similar in skill level.
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