Howdy there and welcome to the top 50 streamers list thread for this month!
Huh? What's this?
For those of you who don't already know what this is about: I'm gathering various data from all the streams that are presented on teamliquid.net (viewers, game, events, etc.) and use that data to produce the pretty tables you see below. The tables only contain SC2 players (that is, people streaming games of Starcraft 2 being played by themselves) and not casters, teams or other streams. The tables also only contain Starcraft 2 related activities, a SC2 streamer streaming Dota2 or other games is not being taken into account.
For current stream data, go and visit soiii's site http://sc2streamnumbers.com/ where you can check out detailed graphs of stream viewers of every stream. (Thread here). Please check it out, it's pretty awesome. I thought about doing something like that at some point, but soiii did it way better and prettier than I could've ever done.
The list
Due to space limitations, the headers aren't as clear as I'd like them to be, so here's a quick explanation, just in case: "Viewers" denotes the average viewers in the given month. "Hours" are the hours played. "Place diff" and "V. diff" are the place and viewer differences compared to last month. And "HotS%" is the percentage of Heart of the Swarm streaming compared to Wings of Liberty. A full green bar means the player streamed only HotS, a grey bar means he only streamed WoL.
Now, Without further ado, here's this month's tables: (The HTML versions contain some more information due to space reasons, such as the featured status of the various streams.)
I've compiled a bar chart for the total SC2 stream viewers by month. The actual numbers are not important, so ignore the y axis numbers. It's the ratio between month that's important. The results are pretty interesting. See for yourself:
I first compiled the bar chart without differentiating between WoL and HotS, and I started to write various possible reasons as to why the drop in viewer numbers could have occurred this month (start of school, lack of revenue from streams, etc.). Looking at the same graph with WoL and HotS viewers split up, however, it becomes quite obvious what the problem is. Viewership of WoL streams actually went up from the previous month, if only slightly. And between August and September, the total viewership didn't change, either. What did happen, however, was that the pros stopped streaming HotS and got back to playing WoL, and it appears that most of us that watched HotS did not go back to watch WoL.
It could be the other way around, too. It's not possible from this graph alone to find out whether the viewers stopped watching HotS streams (therefore making the streamers play WoL again), or if the streamers stopped streaming HotS and the viewers lost interest. Either way, I did not expect HotS to have such a big influence in viewer numbers. Interesting.
Pros: Go and stream more HotS shenanigans!
Some stray observations
First of all, my apologies to Neytpoh. From the data I have, it's not immediately obvious whether a stream is showing a player playing (making him eligible for this list), a caster (like Day9) or an event (like MLG) or something else. So I have to manually categorize every stream. And for some reason I categorized Neytpoh as caster, excluding him from the list. Someone pointed this out to me in the last thread, and after some investigation I just couldn't figure out why I categorized him as a caster back then and not as a player. It's possible that he used his stream to cast some games, but I couldn't verify that. And from what I can see, he's been streaming nothing but games lately, so I put him back in as player. As you can see, Neytpoh does some pretty good numbers, which are especially impressive given that he's not a featured player. Were it not for my stupidity, he'd be in the lists for the last few months, too. So, again, my apologies, Neytpoh.
And while we're at it, if you know of a streamer who totally should be in this list but isn't, or if you see any kind of mistake (people being in the wrong team, etc.), please do feel free to let me know either in this thread or by PM.
As you can see, the initial excitement of the streamers over Heart of the Swarm has died down considerably. Now it could easily be said that this means the end of the world that nobody cares about HotS, but I don't think it's that simple. The majority of the people on the top 50 streamers list are, obviously, pro gamers. It's their job to be good at the game that's played in the tournaments. And that's Wings of Liberty, and not Heart of the Swarm. So I think the lack of HotS streams is perfectly normal. I'm very interested to see the HotS numbers change when the expansion nears its release date, however.
Some notable absentees this month: Thorzain, Sen, Scarlett, Nerchio, SaSe, sLivko, BabyKnight, Drewbie, Zenio, MajOr, TheStC.
On the other hand we have more pros from Korean teams again this month. Tails, Losira, Happy, Gumiho and Leenock. Yay!
We also have some lesser known names (that is, people I didn't know before) in the lists this time.
KnowMe is a German Protoss player who's contributing to Szenecast (Similar to State of the Game) and writes a blog series titled "KnowMe wird Progamer" at sc2pro.taketv.net.
gaulzi is an Icelandic Protoss player who is known for one thing and one thing only: Cannon rushing every single game. He literally cannon rushes absolutely every single game, just for the fun of it. And he's beaten pros with it. How awesome is that?
Tara Babcock is, er, well.. Google her. Don't do it while you're at work, though.
Well, That's all I can think of for now. Hope you guys enjoyed!
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the "HotS%" on the right is the percentage of which the streamer streamed HotS vs. WoL. I could be wrong though.
On November 06 2012 09:07 Fusilero wrote: Random musing but how much of destiny's stream is SC2? I mean whenever I've seen him on he's playing LoL can we count him as a SC2 streamer anymore.
It's all SC2, actually. When Destiny (or anyone else) plays LoL (or Dota2), it's not counted towards my list. So if Destiny is serious about switching to LoL and stops streaming SC2, he will most likely be gone from the list next month.
On November 06 2012 09:18 jinglesassy wrote: Is the viewers tab the average total amount or the minimum or?
Average. I have to keep the headers short to squeeze the table into the thread. You get more readable headers when you look at the HTML tables. I probably should just explain the headers in the OP, just to be on the safe side.
I think once all the big tournaments of the year will be finished (mainly WCS), we'll see more and more people streaming HotS. Also by the new year its metagame should be a bit more stable, hopefully.
Wow. This thread is a nice view of which SC2 streams to watch. This is also a nice thread for the stream link to look up how often the person's stream is on and when.
On the note of streams, where have they all been lately? At any given time I've only been seeing two to four featured streams available, and it seems almost nobody is streaming HotS anymore. Am I just not coming on TL at the right times, or has the number of featured streams decreased in the last few weeks?
On November 06 2012 09:55 Scootaloo SC2 wrote: On the note of streams, where have they all been lately? At any given time I've only been seeing two to four featured streams available, and it seems almost nobody is streaming HotS anymore. Am I just not coming on TL at the right times, or has the number of featured streams decreased in the last few weeks?
probably because most of the peopel featured need to practice WoL
On November 06 2012 09:55 Scootaloo SC2 wrote: On the note of streams, where have they all been lately? At any given time I've only been seeing two to four featured streams available, and it seems almost nobody is streaming HotS anymore. Am I just not coming on TL at the right times, or has the number of featured streams decreased in the last few weeks?
Massive amount of tournaments this month. A lot of the players will be either practicing without a stream, travelling or competing in a tournament.
I wouldn't expect to see many streams from some of the big featured players till December or even next year if players take a break in December.
Look at all the lost viewers. Streamers are climbing up the ranking even though most of them lost viewers. Sure, there's a lot of new players on the list, but I can't help but feel like the total amount of viewers has dropped considerably over the past months. Is there a possibility to get something like a "total amount of viewers" statistic for the past couple of months?
It would be great to see the general trend for all of the sc2 streamers, so maybe you could summarize the total average viewers on your list and if possible keep track of all or the majority of sc2 streamers with the same stats as individual players.
On November 06 2012 20:57 NotoriousBig wrote: wow, didn´t realize that Hui streams so much, it´s a shame that he isn´t listed. Also it´s sad that the taiwanese teams don´t get any coverage ´.
Would you really like to watch a bronze for countless hours and getting featured ? I know he's not bronze but you get the idea.
Overall dissappointing numbers. Seems most players are losing significant viewer numbers, and only Stephano got an excuse with him streaming from Korea.
On November 06 2012 23:27 SolidMustard wrote: Interesting. Not sure why Destiny's stream is listed in "sc2 streams" though (and I'm not even being sarcastic here)
Because he's been streaming SC2. If he'll only stream LoL from now on, he won't be on the list next month.
Good work, Conti, as usual. This data has been measured for a period of months now, maybe it might be possible to analyse any trends over that period. Or it might be better to wait until the end of 2012 to make any statements on what the streaming data has shown for 2012 overall.
There a lot of major Tournaments in Nov, so this will probably lead to an overall reduction in Streaming hours and viewers during this period. Players obviously will be at these tournaments and viewers will watch these tournaments rather than the Players streams.
Hmm. So I've compiled a bar chart for the total SC2 stream viewers by month. The actual numbers are not important, so ignore the y axis numbers. It's the ratio between month that's important. The results are pretty interesting. See for yourself:
I first compiled the bar chart without differentiating between WoL and HotS, and I started to write various possible reasons as to why the drop in viewer numbers could have occurred this month (start of school, lack of revenue from streams, etc.). Looking at the same graph with WoL and HotS viewers split up, however, it becomes quite obvious what the problem is. Viewership of WoL streams actually went up from the previous month, if only slightly. And between August and September, the total viewership didn't change, either. What did happen, however, was that the pros stopped streaming HotS and got back to playing WoL, and it appears that most of us that watched HotS did not go back to watch WoL.
It could be the other way around, too. It's not possible from this graph alone to find out whether the viewers stopped watching HotS streams (therefore making the streamers play WoL again), or if the streamers stopped streaming HotS and the viewers lost interest. Either way, I did not expect HotS to have such a big influence in viewer numbers. Interesting.
I myself will probably watch more HotS once it gets closer to the release date. That being said, it's not that surprising that people stop watching the game after such a long time. I hope HotS brings many changes to the game play, last time i watched many pros mostly did the old stuff. Also, HotS better come soon. It's already such a long time. Didn't they plan to take 1,5 years for each addon? ^^
On November 06 2012 20:57 NotoriousBig wrote: wow, didn´t realize that Hui streams so much, it´s a shame that he isn´t listed. Also it´s sad that the taiwanese teams don´t get any coverage ´.
Would you really like to watch a bronze for countless hours and getting featured ? I know he's not bronze but you get the idea.
Interesting statistics to browse, even if they don't mean too much to me. Numbers seem to be down but what's more interesting is how little stream hype HotS is getting. First day beta was announced, I remember everyone was shitting their pants and glued to streams all day. Fastforward 1~2 months and you barely see anyone streaming HotS, albeit one or two people who have more or less fully committed to it.
This is the most interesting thing for me, how little love HotS is getting. I understand the reasons for it but I know that a lot of streamers (TT1 mentioned it) were overall disappointed with the viewer increase that they though they were going to get from having (not not so much but stil) exclusive access to HotS. Thoughts?
On November 07 2012 08:23 Jigsy wrote: Good work, but why is TakeTv not listed? Would be interesting to see how he is doing as he streams every day with his team.
Because the list only includes players, and not casters or events. Casters especially have wildly varying viewer numbers, depending on which even they cast. Combining them all into an average doesn't make a lot of sense.
On November 07 2012 11:08 shizaep wrote: This is the most interesting thing for me, how little love HotS is getting. I understand the reasons for it but I know that a lot of streamers (TT1 mentioned it) were overall disappointed with the viewer increase that they though they were going to get from having (not not so much but stil) exclusive access to HotS. Thoughts?
I think there's various factors playing into this.
For one, the viewers curiosity got sated pretty quickly. Another aspect is that more and more people have access to the beta themselves now. Also, when the beta started practically every streamer started to stream HotS, even those that have not streamed at all the weeks prior to the beta. So, basically, there was more competition.
IMHO the most important point, however, is that the pros themselves quickly went back to playing WoL. That's quite understandable, given that it's WoL and not HotS they're making money with at the moment. At least I think that's the reason. I'd be quite curious about any pros' opinion on this, especially those that streamed HotS for a couple of days before switching back to WoL (like TLO or Stephano, for instance).
On November 07 2012 08:23 Jigsy wrote: Good work, but why is TakeTv not listed? Would be interesting to see how he is doing as he streams every day with his team.
Because the list only includes players, and not casters or events. Casters especially have wildly varying viewer numbers, depending on which even they cast. Combining them all into an average doesn't make a lot of sense.
On November 07 2012 11:08 shizaep wrote: This is the most interesting thing for me, how little love HotS is getting. I understand the reasons for it but I know that a lot of streamers (TT1 mentioned it) were overall disappointed with the viewer increase that they though they were going to get from having (not not so much but stil) exclusive access to HotS. Thoughts?
I think there's various factors playing into this.
For one, the viewers curiosity got sated pretty quickly. Another aspect is that more and more people have access to the beta themselves now. Also, when the beta started practically every streamer started to stream HotS, even those that have not streamed at all the weeks prior to the beta. So, basically, there was more competition.
IMHO the most important point, however, is that the pros themselves quickly went back to playing WoL. That's quite understandable, given that it's WoL and not HotS they're making money with at the moment. At least I think that's the reason. I'd be quite curious about any pros' opinion on this, especially those that streamed HotS for a couple of days before switching back to WoL (like TLO or Stephano, for instance).
I think you correct. Events have not fewer viewers then 1-2 Years ago. Mlg 100.000 at the same time. Even WCS Europe 1 Month ago 100k on a single stream. For me i have to say. I still play as much Starcraft as 1 year ago, but I not watch player streams. Only Mvp or MKP when he streams. I only watch big Events and TakeTV cause they commentate funny^^
On November 07 2012 02:05 Conti wrote: Hmm. So I've compiled a bar chart for the total SC2 stream viewers by month. The actual numbers are not important, so ignore the y axis numbers. It's the ratio between month that's important. The results are pretty interesting. See for yourself:
I first compiled the bar chart without differentiating between WoL and HotS, and I started to write various possible reasons as to why the drop in viewer numbers could have occurred this month (start of school, lack of revenue from streams, etc.). Looking at the same graph with WoL and HotS viewers split up, however, it becomes quite obvious what the problem is. Viewership of WoL streams actually went up from the previous month, if only slightly. And between August and September, the total viewership didn't change, either. What did happen, however, was that the pros stopped streaming HotS and got back to playing WoL, and it appears that most of us that watched HotS did not go back to watch WoL.
It could be the other way around, too. It's not possible from this graph alone to find out whether the viewers stopped watching HotS streams (therefore making the streamers play WoL again), or if the streamers stopped streaming HotS and the viewers lost interest. Either way, I did not expect HotS to have such a big influence in viewer numbers. Interesting.
Pros: Go and stream more HotS shenanigans!
I've added this to the OP.
This goes contrary to what DJWheat was saying about Twitch.tv SC2 stream numbers.
Kind of surprised to see Stephano at the top as I don't think I've seen him stream at all this month. I guess that shows how bad his timezone is nowadays compared to mine.
On November 07 2012 02:05 Conti wrote: Hmm. So I've compiled a bar chart for the total SC2 stream viewers by month. The actual numbers are not important, so ignore the y axis numbers. It's the ratio between month that's important. The results are pretty interesting. See for yourself:
I first compiled the bar chart without differentiating between WoL and HotS, and I started to write various possible reasons as to why the drop in viewer numbers could have occurred this month (start of school, lack of revenue from streams, etc.). Looking at the same graph with WoL and HotS viewers split up, however, it becomes quite obvious what the problem is. Viewership of WoL streams actually went up from the previous month, if only slightly. And between August and September, the total viewership didn't change, either. What did happen, however, was that the pros stopped streaming HotS and got back to playing WoL, and it appears that most of us that watched HotS did not go back to watch WoL.
It could be the other way around, too. It's not possible from this graph alone to find out whether the viewers stopped watching HotS streams (therefore making the streamers play WoL again), or if the streamers stopped streaming HotS and the viewers lost interest. Either way, I did not expect HotS to have such a big influence in viewer numbers. Interesting.
Pros: Go and stream more HotS shenanigans!
I've added this to the OP.
This goes contrary to what DJWheat was saying about Twitch.tv SC2 stream numbers.
Wheat was talking about stream numbers on twitch including all games, nothing about sc2 specifically.
On November 07 2012 02:05 Conti wrote: Hmm. So I've compiled a bar chart for the total SC2 stream viewers by month. The actual numbers are not important, so ignore the y axis numbers. It's the ratio between month that's important. The results are pretty interesting. See for yourself:
I first compiled the bar chart without differentiating between WoL and HotS, and I started to write various possible reasons as to why the drop in viewer numbers could have occurred this month (start of school, lack of revenue from streams, etc.). Looking at the same graph with WoL and HotS viewers split up, however, it becomes quite obvious what the problem is. Viewership of WoL streams actually went up from the previous month, if only slightly. And between August and September, the total viewership didn't change, either. What did happen, however, was that the pros stopped streaming HotS and got back to playing WoL, and it appears that most of us that watched HotS did not go back to watch WoL.
It could be the other way around, too. It's not possible from this graph alone to find out whether the viewers stopped watching HotS streams (therefore making the streamers play WoL again), or if the streamers stopped streaming HotS and the viewers lost interest. Either way, I did not expect HotS to have such a big influence in viewer numbers. Interesting.
Pros: Go and stream more HotS shenanigans!
I've added this to the OP.
This goes contrary to what DJWheat was saying about Twitch.tv SC2 stream numbers.
What did he say exactly?
Note that my numbers only contain players streaming their games, and so I exclude a whole lot of other stuff. The numbers don't contain casters or events or shows, etc. The recent premier events like MLG and WCS Europe had gigantic viewer numbers, up to 100.000, way more than any other SC2 tournament before. So player streams viewership going down in one month doesn't really have to mean much, it's just one of many, many variables to consider.
I am curious if you start to add in tournament stream viewer numbers into that bar graph what would happen? Is it that there are more tournaments stealing viewers from regular streams? How are the combined tournament numbers comparing to previous months?
I know this is a bit outside the scope of what you're analyzing here, but it might be interesting to see how it all compares. There would be challenges of course in determining what counts as a tournament and what doesn't, seeing as there seems to almost always be some kind of SC2 event going on ...
On November 08 2012 04:59 HoboJoe20 wrote: I am curious if you start to add in tournament stream viewer numbers into that bar graph what would happen? Is it that there are more tournaments stealing viewers from regular streams? How are the combined tournament numbers comparing to previous months?
I know this is a bit outside the scope of what you're analyzing here, but it might be interesting to see how it all compares. There would be challenges of course in determining what counts as a tournament and what doesn't, seeing as there seems to almost always be some kind of SC2 event going on ...
That's pretty much the problem, yes. Another big issue is that the largest tournaments (GSL, MLG, IPL) do not actually show the stream viewers. So if I add all the tournaments minus the big ones it would present a very distorted picture.
Still, I'm a curious guy, so I've gone ahead and added every non-player SC2 stream to my plot. That includes every single stream that's categorized as "SC2" or "HotS" that is not already in the plot. So it has tournaments, shows, single casters, Day9 dailies, etc. Everything you can think of that's not a player.
Note that the low numbers for April and May are due to the way I used to gather data back then and are not at all accurate.
On November 07 2012 02:05 Conti wrote: Hmm. So I've compiled a bar chart for the total SC2 stream viewers by month. The actual numbers are not important, so ignore the y axis numbers. It's the ratio between month that's important. The results are pretty interesting. See for yourself:
I first compiled the bar chart without differentiating between WoL and HotS, and I started to write various possible reasons as to why the drop in viewer numbers could have occurred this month (start of school, lack of revenue from streams, etc.). Looking at the same graph with WoL and HotS viewers split up, however, it becomes quite obvious what the problem is. Viewership of WoL streams actually went up from the previous month, if only slightly. And between August and September, the total viewership didn't change, either. What did happen, however, was that the pros stopped streaming HotS and got back to playing WoL, and it appears that most of us that watched HotS did not go back to watch WoL.
It could be the other way around, too. It's not possible from this graph alone to find out whether the viewers stopped watching HotS streams (therefore making the streamers play WoL again), or if the streamers stopped streaming HotS and the viewers lost interest. Either way, I did not expect HotS to have such a big influence in viewer numbers. Interesting.
Pros: Go and stream more HotS shenanigans!
I've added this to the OP.
This goes contrary to what DJWheat was saying about Twitch.tv SC2 stream numbers.
Wheat was talking about stream numbers on twitch including all games, nothing about sc2 specifically.
I think the topic of the conversation was Destiny's post. I'm pretty sure that you're incorrect.
On November 06 2012 23:27 SolidMustard wrote: Interesting. Not sure why Destiny's stream is listed in "sc2 streams" though (and I'm not even being sarcastic here)
Because he's been streaming SC2. If he'll only stream LoL from now on, he won't be on the list next month.
It also says hes teamless. I'm pretty sure hes still on team root. Are you sure of this?
On November 06 2012 23:27 SolidMustard wrote: Interesting. Not sure why Destiny's stream is listed in "sc2 streams" though (and I'm not even being sarcastic here)
Because he's been streaming SC2. If he'll only stream LoL from now on, he won't be on the list next month.
It also says hes teamless. I'm pretty sure hes still on team root. Are you sure of this?
On November 07 2012 02:05 Conti wrote: Hmm. So I've compiled a bar chart for the total SC2 stream viewers by month. The actual numbers are not important, so ignore the y axis numbers. It's the ratio between month that's important. The results are pretty interesting. See for yourself:
I first compiled the bar chart without differentiating between WoL and HotS, and I started to write various possible reasons as to why the drop in viewer numbers could have occurred this month (start of school, lack of revenue from streams, etc.). Looking at the same graph with WoL and HotS viewers split up, however, it becomes quite obvious what the problem is. Viewership of WoL streams actually went up from the previous month, if only slightly. And between August and September, the total viewership didn't change, either. What did happen, however, was that the pros stopped streaming HotS and got back to playing WoL, and it appears that most of us that watched HotS did not go back to watch WoL.
It could be the other way around, too. It's not possible from this graph alone to find out whether the viewers stopped watching HotS streams (therefore making the streamers play WoL again), or if the streamers stopped streaming HotS and the viewers lost interest. Either way, I did not expect HotS to have such a big influence in viewer numbers. Interesting.
Pros: Go and stream more HotS shenanigans!
I've added this to the OP.
This goes contrary to what DJWheat was saying about Twitch.tv SC2 stream numbers.
What did he say exactly?
Note that my numbers only contain players streaming their games, and so I exclude a whole lot of other stuff. The numbers don't contain casters or events or shows, etc. The recent premier events like MLG and WCS Europe had gigantic viewer numbers, up to 100.000, way more than any other SC2 tournament before. So player streams viewership going down in one month doesn't really have to mean much, it's just one of many, many variables to consider.
They were all talking about SC2 stream viewers when DJWheat said "Stream numbers are like, way, way up dude. They grow more and more every month, it's insane. And I work at twitch, okay? I know this."
Later, he did clarify that he was talking about overall twitch.tv views, and not game-specific views. He said that he doesn't see the problem if people are watching LoL instead of SC2 because they're still watching esports (I guess with the idea that people into LoL might get into SC2 as well, sort of an overall uplifting of esports).
This caused a lot of confusion though, because many people thought Wheat was talking about SC2 stream numbers, and not overall stream numbers. Painuser tried to clear up this confusion a few times, but he was unfortunately interrupted by Incontrol, Destiny, or Wheat.
On November 08 2012 04:44 Denzil wrote: Always amusing to see the result of a month of people telling me Starcraft is shit and the game is dead
And they wonder why numbers go down
id expect these numbers to go even farther down or stay the same next month, Alot of people including myself will probably watch less player streams due to the number of great tournaments going on soon.
MLG Dallas SC2 hit 95k and very close to 100k. WCS EU got 100k+. Thats pretty much as high as SC2 has ever been. We good son.
On November 08 2012 05:34 Conti wrote: Still, I'm a curious guy, so I've gone ahead and added every non-player SC2 stream to my plot. That includes every single stream that's categorized as "SC2" or "HotS" that is not already in the plot. So it has tournaments, shows, single casters, Day9 dailies, etc. Everything you can think of that's not a player.
On November 08 2012 04:44 Denzil wrote: Always amusing to see the result of a month of people telling me Starcraft is shit and the game is dead
And they wonder why numbers go down
id expect these numbers to go even farther down or stay the same next month, Alot of people including myself will probably watch less player streams due to the number of great tournaments going on soon.
MLG Dallas SC2 hit 95k and very close to 100k. WCS EU got 100k+. Thats pretty much as high as SC2 has ever been. We good son.
Actually MLG Dallas peaked higher than 100k, you're only counting the twitch.tv viewers now.
Who are even those people watching the WoL streams? I watched a few like a year ago and it was interesting to see some people play from their point of view, but I never got the urge to do that again. Particularly not with the amount of tournament games there are to watch for free. You can virtually watch casted pro games 24/7 and still do not catch everything now. So what is the point of watching the streams? I know that Destiny is hilarious sometimes, but you can pretty much find every of his true gems as a youtube highlight.
I wouldn't really be surprised when those numbers went much, much lower, because it just gets old and there is so much competition for people's attention. Definitely wouldn't use it as an argument for SC2's popularity decline. It's the numbers on tournaments that actually matter.
On November 09 2012 03:28 opisska wrote: Who are even those people watching the WoL streams? I watched a few like a year ago and it was interesting to see some people play from their point of view, but I never got the urge to do that again. Particularly not with the amount of tournament games there are to watch for free. You can virtually watch casted pro games 24/7 and still do not catch everything now. So what is the point of watching the streams? I know that Destiny is hilarious sometimes, but you can pretty much find every of his true gems as a youtube highlight.
I wouldn't really be surprised when those numbers went much, much lower, because it just gets old and there is so much competition for people's attention. Definitely wouldn't use it as an argument for SC2's popularity decline. It's the numbers on tournaments that actually matter.
I don't know about most of them either, but I personally watch a few streams for ideas on builds, some for the interaction which makes it fun. Pros don't really release that many replay packs, you see.
Also, the idea that they are supported with the ads makes me view the live stream instead of the vods in the archive of their stream. That said, I only watch roughly 3 player streams, TakeTV and JP mcDaniels (nonsc2) for fun.
On November 11 2012 19:05 Quintall wrote: Why is Destiny still on that list, or even featured on TL? Havent seen him playin SC2 for a while now, only lol...
Because the list shows the stream numbers for last month, where he was still actively playing SC2.
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