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On November 06 2012 01:06 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 01:05 sitromit wrote:On November 06 2012 00:59 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl. How did Rain fall? The only PvZ he's played since OSL was this weekend at MLG and he only lost to Leenock 2-4, who was playing amazing all weekend and has had a phenomenal PvZ record lately. He loses one series in months against Z, and now "fell of a bit since OSL"? Comments like this make my head explode. so true, rain's pvz is still the best imho he went thorugh open bracket at mlg the whole day before facing leenock, he was pretty exhausted i bet
a kespa progamer who plays probably 8-10 hours straight per day exhausted after playing 5 best of 3's and winning them all 2-0? i honestly doubt it
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On November 06 2012 04:04 TeeTS wrote:
I don't get what people read into that single phrase of the creator interview. He was at no point reffering to his games today with that. He didn't say he is on one level with DRG, he didn't blame imbalance for his loses. He said his oppinion about the general balance in a matchup. It's pretty natural that every pro conciders his race/fraction to be weak. Remember MVP stating in an interview in the first half of 2011 that terran is the weakest race? Where was the shitstorm back then?
There was a bit of a shitstorm, actually.
That interview literally made me roll my eyes at Mvp.
I haven't taken anything he says seriously since.
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On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Creator: I want to play PvPs if possible
Baller lever: over nine thousand
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On November 06 2012 04:27 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Creator: I want to play PvPs if possible Baller lever: over nine thousand
Let's hope he didn't oz himself.
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Wow creator thanking ttpig, didn't know they practiced! :o
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We just have to put our faith in Parting's soul train and Polt's marauder/hellion all-in.
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You gave up going to MLG for the sake of playing in the GSL. Don't you feel some regret over that?
I don't. Because of how important this GSL is to me, I gave up going to foreign tournaments in order to keep up my endurance.
That's the attitude of a real contender, shame on you Rain (or whoever made Rain pull out).
Thanks for translation wozzot!
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On November 06 2012 00:32 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:26 Shiori wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. Rain uses Creator's 3base Immortal/Stalker push nearly every game. Please don't belittle Creator, who is easily top 5 Protoss worldwide. I love me some Creator but him balance whining is a bit odd considering he's so inconsistent in that match up. If things are so bad for PvZ then why does Creator not use the build he invented, like Rain does, to demolish Zerg before they get to Hive. Creator is certainly world class but he'd be better served working on his consistency vs. Zerg than whining about one unit (which rarely even beats him). That is all I'm saying, not belittling his play just can't believe he'd blame a race when he threw away those two games with poor mechanics.
What the hell is with people suggesting that balance whining somehow insinuates players aren't trying to get better?
It takes like 20 seconds to do a fucking balance whine. It's not like they're sitting on their asses for 5 hours a day ranting on forums and refusing to play the MU. They're clearly playing it regularly and are just frustrated at the MU.
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On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant.
creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm
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On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm
Yeah, he has personally created () many of the Protoss standard builds right now. Just remember how the double forge shook up the PvT meta a while ago. That's thanks to Creator. Or the 3 base colossus pre hive timing that Rain likes to use? Made by Creator. With his win in WCS Korea, he proved that he has no stage fright anymore. So yeah, he is on championship level, as is DRG.
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On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm
but dat 2-0....
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On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0....
dat 4-1 before today...
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On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today...
but dat was a long time ago.
WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races.
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On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races.
then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game
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On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game
I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping.
First in march and then in july.
Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG
*pokes opterown
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On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game
because when someone says another player is as good as DRG, i get mad, even if its true because im an ignorant fan.
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On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown
well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then.
creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking
creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back.
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On November 06 2012 06:50 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then. creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back.
we counting stream matches now?
Creator beat DRG March 18th.
The GSL seaon 1 grand finals was on March 3rd...hardly just 1 week.
I think he celebrated his win too hard and started dropping games accumulation to his total collapse at MLG that same week and GSL code S one week after.
The only game I'll give you is the january one...but do we really count best of 1s?
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