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Creative Development Q&A and Kerrigan's Fate - Page 2

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nukkuj
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Finland403 Posts
October 29 2012 21:35 GMT
#21
Storyline for WoL was utterly disappointing.

SC1 and BW storylines felt much more darker and cruel. WoL storyline was cheesy lovestory bullshit. I doubt the storyline gets any better in HoTS and LOtV.
Skirmjan
Profile Joined October 2012
Italy190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-29 22:21:34
October 29 2012 21:51 GMT
#22
well it's not like blizzard's creatives believe they've done perfect hm?
+ Show Spoiler +

We also thought that we could have Tassadar compliment the Overmind's courage without seeming to imply that they were BFFs. In other words, one can admire an enemy's courage, but still hate him. But that was a mistake—given how few words Tassadar gets to utter in the entire game, he should not have wasted any of them on a compliment to an enemy. It sent the wrong message.
Finally, we did not foresee, at all, that people would compare StarCraft to Warcraft III, and then make assumptions about what we were saying based on that comparison. "Brown orcs, green orcs. The Overmind is good!" We never said the Overmind was "good” anywhere in the game, but we should have been clearer about what we were saying. (E.g., spelled out that the zerg are not "good," nor were they ever "good" in the past.) Since we did not define what we were saying, the community, correctly, turned to other examples from Blizzard's body of work.

On October 30 2012 04:17 Shai wrote:
The problem isn't the change in attitude, it's the lack of storytelling. They should have shown how/why his attitude changed, not just said "four years - it happened sometime." They could have put it into a conversation, a flashback, a fantasy, or something else. They were just lazy and that's why there are so many questions about this.

i completely agree with this on the kerrigan + jim stuff
you must also consider that "if the zerg wipe everyone out, it's all been for nothing", so perhaps, and only perhaps Raynor would've helped Valerian even without the promise of saving kerrigan....
and then there's + Show Spoiler +

There is a mission in the Nintendo64 Brood War where the Protoss develop a cure for Stukov's infestation. While it probably wasn't potent enough to work on Kerrigan, it probably did give him hope for the possibility of a cure for her. -TvTropes

which is canon


"Sarah Kerrigan: Tough talk, Jimmy, but I don't think you have what it takes to be a killer." She was right after all hm? :D


however, all the new story with the overmind, hybrids, kerrigan as the savior? i believe that makes sense, as it fixes some strange things in vanilla SC

+ Show Spoiler +
something i also read something else on TvTropes sometime ago, can't remember where tho;

in the zerg campaign in vanilla SC you're pretty much the bodyguard cerebrate to kerrigan,and your sole purpose as a cerebrate is to protect and make her develop into the "ultimate weapon". However, when the Overmind launches its invasion to Aiur, which should deal a crippling blow to the protoss, which are stated to be the ultimate enemy of the zerg and their final objective in the road to reach perfection and even if the Swarm also doesn't aknowledge any other threat (especially the terrans are considered little more than victims)...
the Overmind leaves Kerrigan in the rear, on the safety of Char (and she's fully mature/infested by then).
Why make a weapon and not use her in the only war you could possibly neer her? and why take physical form on Aiur before the total elimination of the -only- threat in the universe? The WoL overmind plan gives an answer to that that isn't: "well, the same Overmind that outsmarted the Xel'Nagas just messed up"
Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
October 29 2012 22:04 GMT
#23
"Awaken my child, and embrace the glory that is your birthright"

I always thought the Overmind was the cooler character of them all. I hoped for long that they would bring him back, but seeing the quality of the storytelling in SC2 I'm afraid they might reveal he was in fact Pinky Pie all along.

Also, I approve of this thread.
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KingAce
Profile Joined September 2010
United States471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-29 22:15:07
October 29 2012 22:11 GMT
#24
Well the whole play on why the overmind chose Kerrigan in the first place puts this into prospective.

Jim has to save Kerrigan to save the Universe. I think you vengeful terrrans forget, the protoss want her dead more than any terran.

However, the story hasn't even concluded. It's not like Kerrigan has joined alliances with Jim. The whole of WOL is about Jim's prospective. We never get to see the two characters interact. So I don't see where most of you are drawing this conclusion that Jim has forgiven Kerrigan.

There are bigger events lurking in the background. Something a lot larger and more important than revenge. The Hybrid. The Xelnaga.

Hold on to your seats boys, "It's gonna be a bumpy ride."
"You're defined by the WORST of your group..." Bill Burr
Skirmjan
Profile Joined October 2012
Italy190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-29 22:20:52
October 29 2012 22:20 GMT
#25
ops, hit quote instead of edit >.<
AKomrade
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States582 Posts
October 29 2012 22:26 GMT
#26
Its a really lazy setup by Blizzard to keep Jim as the hero and still have Kerrigan live through SC2. They wrote like fifteen books about Starcraft pre-release and simply didn't happen to cover those four years?

On October 30 2012 04:37 Darknat wrote:
I actually facepalmed the first time I played through that mission. That vow should have been directed towards Mengsk, not Kerrigan. If Mengsk hadn't been a bastard and had not abandoned Kerrigan Kerrigan wouldn't have been turned into the Queen of Blades in the first place.


Kerrigan had fully changed at that point. There was not a single bit of pity left in her, they made that shit pretty clear through BW.

Very wary of where this is going, especially after seeing that storyboard video. I'm resigned to not getting the grungy and dark Starcraft of the past, but I'll be damned if I play another WC redemption story.

ALL HAIL THE KING IN THE NORTH! HAIL! HAIL!
Gerbilkit
Profile Joined December 2009
United States32 Posts
October 30 2012 00:53 GMT
#27
I'll grant that the storyline has become inconsistent. (and I don't know why no one has mentioned Jim's hair. It didn't bother me but other friends were quick to point out how he stopped being bald )

But I think people are being too harsh on Blizzard here. I really appreciate Blizzard's frank admittals of error, and their openness to the community regarding their thought process and efforts, mistakes and all. Which is not obligatory on their part at all and I can't think of many games that have done this. I think the story is still interesting, and I'm looking forward to the 2nd and 3rd acts.
It shall be engraved upon your soul!
Darknat
Profile Joined March 2011
United States122 Posts
October 30 2012 01:08 GMT
#28
Honestly I think WoL is just perceived to be executed badly because Brood War was executed badly.There was no way Raynor would have ever fulfilled that stupid vow to begin with. Fenix was an alien while Kerrigan was a fellow Terran who Raynor fought along side to help bring down the Confederacy.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
October 30 2012 16:12 GMT
#29
On October 30 2012 09:53 Gerbilkit wrote:
I'll grant that the storyline has become inconsistent. (and I don't know why no one has mentioned Jim's hair. It didn't bother me but other friends were quick to point out how he stopped being bald )


There actually is a picture they released which explains it pretty well. It was a crew cut.

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http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
October 30 2012 20:01 GMT
#30
On October 30 2012 10:08 Darknat wrote:
Honestly I think WoL is just perceived to be executed badly because Brood War was executed badly.There was no way Raynor would have ever fulfilled that stupid vow to begin with. Fenix was an alien while Kerrigan was a fellow Terran who Raynor fought along side to help bring down the Confederacy.


BW was awesome.

Raynor was exclusively with the Protoss for an extended duration (besides other Terran on his BC). He had significant more interaction with Protoss than fellow Terran. Him and Fenix became best friends over the campaign. This isn't even remotely hard to perceive, considering the Protoss had almost exclusive anthropomorphic qualities. At the same time Kerrigan had little to no empathetic anthropomorphic qualities, only lust for power and treachory, something which we (humans) generally despise.
Gerbilkit
Profile Joined December 2009
United States32 Posts
October 30 2012 23:05 GMT
#31
On October 31 2012 01:12 Archerofaiur wrote:
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On October 30 2012 09:53 Gerbilkit wrote:
I'll grant that the storyline has become inconsistent. (and I don't know why no one has mentioned Jim's hair. It didn't bother me but other friends were quick to point out how he stopped being bald )


There actually is a picture they released which explains it pretty well. It was a crew cut.

[image loading]

Didn't he have a ring of hair around the back of his head in the campaign gameplay? I thought I remembered that but it's been a while.
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