In an effort to continue growing the FXOpen e-Sports brand, FXOpen has absorbed Team Legion/The Legion Gaming Community. We are excited about the solid foundation this will bring to the current FXOpen as we continue our expansion in eSports. With this absorption, The Legion sc2 squad will become the North American Starcraft 2 squad for FXOpen will continue to broaden our horizons in the North American eSports scene. Due to the experience that Legion has in the League of Legends scene, we are also now in the process of building a LoL roster from the ground up to represent FXOpen.
FXOpen is proud to be working with the former Legion staff and players as we move forward into bigger and better things in the future, and we hope that you will support our team.
Daniel 'Unstable' Siddel, FXOpen e-Sports COO said: The legion community and staff are a very dedicated and passionate group of people, I look forward to working with them as they help provide the ability go get a lot of the things FXOpen always wanted to do but couldn't due to resource limitations. I see many great things to come in the very near future
Elliot 'Darigaz' Smith, Team Legion COO said: For the past year our team and community has developed and grown beyond our initial expectations. Despite our LoL team disbanding due to personal issues, the rest of us are very happy to be joining such a credible organization as FXOpen eSports.
We will also be answering any questions you might have about the announcement, so just ask here.
FXOpen is always on the look out for talented staff and volunteers to help grow our brand or even if you just want to get involved with the community head over the the site and introduce yourself.
FXOpen e-Sports is proudly sponsored by Razer Professional Gaming Hardware and Twitch.tv.
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FXOpen is a forex trading company seeking to get more involved in the game they are passionate about - StarCraft 2. FXOpen currently sponsors MMA, drift car series and various other sporting events.
What is the current FXO.NA Roster - Derek 'TheoRy' Travisano - Alyssa 'AuRora' Goose - Jasper 'Power' Chou - Matthew 'Karmy' Munholland - Choi 'Shuttle' Sung Jin
We will be looking at expanding this roster slowly over time
Ok to make things clear. We absorbed an organisation.. Not a team. That is, media, web design, awesome translators (hello seeker) and a bunch of good guys with great goals. Some things that we lacked as an organisation have now been filled entirely by this absorbing allowing us to further expand.
Of course, people might be disappointed by the "NA Roster" but the purpose of absorbing LgN is not just players. Its organisational.
I hope this clarifies some of the "does not make sense" posts.
On October 28 2012 13:19 mcgriffin wrote: yeah why didn't you absorb SlayerS...
Maybe it's because they already have a Korean roster?
This isn't about trying to outmuscle other teams with their star power, it's about building up the scene here in North America with Legion, on top of supporting FXO Guild Of Imbalanced (EU) and the FXO fOu (KR)
So from that list im only aware of Avilo/Kane/Maker ( used to watch his stream when sc2 came out)/ and mental king. No idea who are the rest
Anyway, Congrats. I hope this grow the american scene a bit, They need stuff like this
Sorry I forgot most of players are no longer on the team and that list hasn't been updated.
This is the current roster: - Derek 'TheoRy' Travisano - Alyssa 'AuRora' Goose - Jasper 'WhispeR' Chou - Matthew 'Karmy' Munholland
That's not all that accurate :/. We have Shuttle.
He isn't yet listen under the roster on the website
Slightly surprised with this after I saw news of them disbanding + all the 'ownership' hoopla going on. Either way nice to see FXO still expanding and getting bigger
On October 28 2012 13:35 -TGO- wrote: Yet FXOpen is totally blind by the total chaos legion has caused before this leading to this event.
Not very happy for them. Darigaz just hid it all a day before this, deleted the topics and the like. Sigh.
No, I spent a long time going through everything that happened there, including outside opinions of those who were close to the situation, The new structure we have implemented throughout the organisation will not allow anything of the like to happen again.
On October 28 2012 13:35 -TGO- wrote: Yet FXOpen is totally blind by the total chaos legion has caused before this leading to this event.
Not very happy for them. Darigaz just hid it all a day before this, deleted the topics and the like. Sigh.
No, I spent a long time going through everything that happened there, including outside opinions of those who were close to the situation, The new structure we have implemented throughout the organisation will not allow anything of the like to happen again.
On October 28 2012 13:35 -TGO- wrote: Yet FXOpen is totally blind by the total chaos legion has caused before this leading to this event.
Not very happy for them. Darigaz just hid it all a day before this, deleted the topics and the like. Sigh.
I'm sure FXO knows about this if he only deleted them a day before this. My guess would be that this deal has been in the works for more than just a day.
On October 28 2012 13:35 -TGO- wrote: Yet FXOpen is totally blind by the total chaos legion has caused before this leading to this event.
Not very happy for them. Darigaz just hid it all a day before this, deleted the topics and the like. Sigh.
Its hard to get into this statement without sounding arrogant. But I'll try.
Chaos will never exist within the FXOpen management circle. I am not afraid to throw someone out on the spot if they damage the reputation of the organisation or the organisation itself. Like many other people, I, and my management, don't have the time to be part of excessive drama. I hope that you will see great changes in the organisation and productive growth in the community because of this.
sick gl too all. now all fxo needs is to start fxo academy tournement thing and get some am's from all the servers and start an am team for noobs like me to get good and go pro glglglglglgl
On October 28 2012 13:35 -TGO- wrote: Yet FXOpen is totally blind by the total chaos legion has caused before this leading to this event.
Not very happy for them. Darigaz just hid it all a day before this, deleted the topics and the like. Sigh.
Please don't say stuff like that. We are not idiots. Obviously they know about EVERYTHING. This absorption was done after a lot of careful consideration and negotiating.
On October 28 2012 13:45 starslayer wrote: sick gl too all. now all fxo needs is to start fxo academy tournement thing and get some am's from all the servers and start an am team for noobs like me to get good and go pro glglglglglgl
FXOpen has an amatuer team/Academy already established for bronze-master. TDS, The Dark Side is the name of the amatuer team. You can apply at our website!
Nice to see FXO expand into the NA scene, we need as much help as we can get and another big name will only do us good! The have done pretty incredible things in Korea, hopefully they can guide the ex Legion guys to do the same in NA.
On October 28 2012 13:35 -TGO- wrote: Yet FXOpen is totally blind by the total chaos legion has caused before this leading to this event.
Not very happy for them. Darigaz just hid it all a day before this, deleted the topics and the like. Sigh.
Its hard to get into this statement without sounding arrogant. But I'll try.
Chaos will never exist within the FXOpen management circle. I am not afraid to throw someone out on the spot if they damage the reputation of the organisation or the organisation itself. Like many other people, I, and my management, don't have the time to be part of excessive drama. I hope that you will see great changes in the organisation and productive growth in the community because of this.
So what you're saying is...You're prepared to be the boss? (AWWW YEEEAAAHHHH)
But in all seriousness, this is how it should be, if there's drama, get rid of it and be done ^_^
Ok where the hell does OpTiKzErO fit in all this i see that on liquipedia that he is still fxo but we havent heard from in forever... Does he still play?
On October 28 2012 14:42 Son of Gnome wrote: Ok where the hell does OpTiKzErO fit in all this i see that on liquipedia that he is still fxo but we havent heard from in forever... Does he still play?
He doesn't play much due to his job, no idea if he's still on FXO.
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
That remark will certainly come back to bite you in the butt and when you're on your way down, I'm sure someone will kick you good and hard. gg mr. class.
I don't know much about LgN, except for what they did to desrow. I don't know much about FXO, but it's nice that they formed a union after the inside turmoil that legion went through. Hope it goes well.
On October 28 2012 15:23 mikkmagro wrote: Awesome!
There are a lot of discrepancies on the roster between the website and the Liquipedia page however :<
Have mOoNan, Optikzero, kAsyu, Supreme, VoidRay, and Kong left FXO?
we are in the process of getting all that fixed up, in regards to those specific players, optik/moonan are on indefinate break, kasyu is a practice partner from home, supreme is a coach in the house, voidray has left the team and kong is a practice partner from home too.
On October 28 2012 15:23 mikkmagro wrote: Awesome!
There are a lot of discrepancies on the roster between the website and the Liquipedia page however :<
Have mOoNan, Optikzero, kAsyu, Supreme, VoidRay, and Kong left FXO?
we are in the process of getting all that fixed up, in regards to those specific players, optik/moonan are on indefinate break, kasyu is a practice partner from home, supreme is a coach in the house, voidray has left the team and kong is a practice partner from home too.
I wish I could find this sort of information for every seemingly MIA player. Thank you very much. Edit: Is there a reason Tear is listed as "other" on the liquipedia page? I thought he was one of the Protoss ace players on FXO.
On October 28 2012 15:23 mikkmagro wrote: Awesome!
There are a lot of discrepancies on the roster between the website and the Liquipedia page however :<
Have mOoNan, Optikzero, kAsyu, Supreme, VoidRay, and Kong left FXO?
we are in the process of getting all that fixed up, in regards to those specific players, optik/moonan are on indefinate break, kasyu is a practice partner from home, supreme is a coach in the house, voidray has left the team and kong is a practice partner from home too.
I wish I could find this sort of information for every seemingly MIA player. Thank you very much. Edit: Is there a reason Tear is listed as "other" on the liquipedia page? I thought he was one of the Protoss ace players on FXO.
The liquepedia hasn't been updated in a while, seeker is going through it all shortly to fix things like that
On October 28 2012 13:15 Misacampo wrote: lol why didn't you absorb SlayerS instead........
pretty much this . if avilo is in fxo i rly dont understand your choice picking up a baby instead of real sport-mens from slayers .
Are people actually this dumb?
What you mean money just isn't a thing FXO has? You mean that perhaps, just perhaps paying for the salaries, travel expenses and accommodation for the massive SlayerS roster may infact be too much for FXO? Get the fuck out of here everyone knows FXO has infinite money they could buy like 20 EGs with all their ESPORTS dollars.
It's allways a bit worrying whenever a news pops up about fxo and you can't find any info regarding europe team on their website! I'll be honest, I ain't jumping up and down of excitement but whatever it takes to keep fxo in the business, I'm happy with it.
Ok to make things clear. We absorbed an organisation.. Not a team. That is, media, web design, awesome translators (hello seeker) and a bunch of good guys with great goals. Some things that we lacked as an organisation have now been filled entirely by this absorbing allowing us to further expand.
Of course, people might be disappointed by the "NA Roster" but the purpose of absorbing LgN is not just players. Its organisational.
I hope this clarifies some of the "does not make sense" posts.
Cool stuff. I hope that you decide to keep The Cocaine Terran (aka: Avilo). He can be a valuable terran late game practice partner at any hour of the day. ANY!
On October 28 2012 13:15 Misacampo wrote: lol why didn't you absorb SlayerS instead........
Cause their organizational side is a mess.
And they'd have to deal with Jessica to do that. Who in their right mind would want to do that? Besides, FXO Korea is doing pretty good (GSTL championship, Leenock taking WEM just now....), so no need to expand them I guess.
On October 28 2012 19:30 FXOBoSs wrote: Ok to make things clear. We absorbed an organisation.. Not a team. That is, media, web design, awesome translators (hello seeker) and a bunch of good guys with great goals. Some things that we lacked as an organisation have now been filled entirely by this absorbing allowing us to further expand.
Of course, people might be disappointed by the "NA Roster" but the purpose of absorbing LgN is not just players. Its organisational.
I hope this clarifies some of the "does not make sense" posts.
This actually completely makes sense
On October 28 2012 22:22 inFeZa wrote: FXO so fat and greedy they now absorb other teams.....
I have a question what will happen to avilo and the other legion members who were not absorbed in the trade are they still being decided on or will they not be under the fxo tag ever
I'm not sure if this is unprecedented, but from the outside I like the idea of taking advantage of the low current marketability levels for players to potentially get a good deal on other members of the organization including translations, web design, etc. IF even one of the NA players actually achieves name recognition and encourages support for FXO's business, (not impossible even if not expected) then that seems to be a bonus for them. I have to congratulate FXO for such business thinking, unless of course Seeker becomes the new manager J, and destroys trust in addition to allegedly turning down sponsorship opportunities for players, (though I doubt FXOboss would be stupid enough to let Seeker use his official e-mail).
On October 29 2012 01:53 Mozzery wrote: I'm not sure if this is unprecedented, but from the outside I like the idea of taking advantage of the low current marketability levels for players to potentially get a good deal on other members of the organization including translations, web design, etc. IF even one of the NA players actually achieves name recognition and encourages support for FXO's business, (not impossible even if not expected) then that seems to be a bonus for them. I have to congratulate FXO for such business thinking, unless of course Seeker becomes the new manager J, and destroys trust in addition to allegedly turning down sponsorship opportunities for players, (though I doubt FXOboss would be stupid enough to let Seeker use his official e-mail).
-__-;; Manager J screwed over my favorite team. I would NEVER become what I despise.
On October 29 2012 01:53 Mozzery wrote: I'm not sure if this is unprecedented, but from the outside I like the idea of taking advantage of the low current marketability levels for players to potentially get a good deal on other members of the organization including translations, web design, etc. IF even one of the NA players actually achieves name recognition and encourages support for FXO's business, (not impossible even if not expected) then that seems to be a bonus for them. I have to congratulate FXO for such business thinking, unless of course Seeker becomes the new manager J, and destroys trust in addition to allegedly turning down sponsorship opportunities for players, (though I doubt FXOboss would be stupid enough to let Seeker use his official e-mail).
-__-;; Manager J screwed over my favorite team. I would NEVER become what I despise.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain- Harvey Dent
Though seriously, I love your work and believe you can be an asset to FXO with your skills, I'm not sure exactly how much you'll be able to affect the bottom line, but I know that you are good at what you do. I also believe that you are eithical, but even if I didn't FXOBoss seems to understand at least a bit the idea of chain of command and I'm guessing redundancy so I'm not as worried for FXO, (If I were in charge of an e-sports team I would make sure an important e-mail such as one regarding sponsorships, was either sent to a private e-mail of mine or if not "that big of a deal but still important/important but in an area I don't understand" then at least 2 other subordinates, (or friends if you are desperate/a small organization). Always make sure that the only way for your organization to be sabotaged is by collusion, not by just an individual. I understand it is sometimes an extremely hard rule to follow, but redundancy is of high importance, even in something as simple as retail you would never be happy about the guy who counts the money being the same guy who deposits it. Redundancy is a key rule you learn in business school, (( it was for me at least)).
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
Yea because he's any worse than certain players on ROOT's roster, current and former...
The foreign scene is hilarious in it's resemblance of a high school community. Popularity goes much farther than actual achievement or skill. I'm pretty ambivalent towards Avilo but if FXO picks up those players and decides to leave out Avilo because of popular sentiment, that's a joke. But I guess that's where the foreign scene has been gravitating towards anyways.
On October 29 2012 01:53 Mozzery wrote: I'm not sure if this is unprecedented, but from the outside I like the idea of taking advantage of the low current marketability levels for players to potentially get a good deal on other members of the organization including translations, web design, etc. IF even one of the NA players actually achieves name recognition and encourages support for FXO's business, (not impossible even if not expected) then that seems to be a bonus for them. I have to congratulate FXO for such business thinking, unless of course Seeker becomes the new manager J, and destroys trust in addition to allegedly turning down sponsorship opportunities for players, (though I doubt FXOboss would be stupid enough to let Seeker use his official e-mail).
-__-;; Manager J screwed over my favorite team. I would NEVER become what I despise.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain- Harvey Dent
Though seriously, I love your work and believe you can be an asset to FXO with your skills, I'm not sure exactly how much you'll be able to affect the bottom line, but I know that you are good at what you do. I also believe that you are eithical, but even if I didn't FXOBoss seems to understand at least a bit the idea of chain of command and I'm guessing redundancy so I'm not as worried for FXO, (If I were in charge of an e-sports team I would make sure an important e-mail such as one regarding sponsorships, was either sent to a private e-mail of mine or if not "that big of a deal but still important/important but in an area I don't understand" then at least 2 other subordinates, (or friends if you are desperate/a small organization). Always make sure that the only way for your organization to be sabotaged is by collusion, not by just an individual. I understand it is sometimes an extremely hard rule to follow, but redundancy is of high importance, even in something as simple as retail you would never be happy about the guy who counts the money being the same guy who deposits it. Redundancy is a key rule you learn in business school, (( it was for me at least)).
I uh... appreciate the effort but am not really understanding what you're saying to be honest... :/
On October 29 2012 01:53 Mozzery wrote: I'm not sure if this is unprecedented, but from the outside I like the idea of taking advantage of the low current marketability levels for players to potentially get a good deal on other members of the organization including translations, web design, etc. IF even one of the NA players actually achieves name recognition and encourages support for FXO's business, (not impossible even if not expected) then that seems to be a bonus for them. I have to congratulate FXO for such business thinking, unless of course Seeker becomes the new manager J, and destroys trust in addition to allegedly turning down sponsorship opportunities for players, (though I doubt FXOboss would be stupid enough to let Seeker use his official e-mail).
-__-;; Manager J screwed over my favorite team. I would NEVER become what I despise.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain- Harvey Dent
Though seriously, I love your work and believe you can be an asset to FXO with your skills, I'm not sure exactly how much you'll be able to affect the bottom line, but I know that you are good at what you do. I also believe that you are eithical, but even if I didn't FXOBoss seems to understand at least a bit the idea of chain of command and I'm guessing redundancy so I'm not as worried for FXO, (If I were in charge of an e-sports team I would make sure an important e-mail such as one regarding sponsorships, was either sent to a private e-mail of mine or if not "that big of a deal but still important/important but in an area I don't understand" then at least 2 other subordinates, (or friends if you are desperate/a small organization). Always make sure that the only way for your organization to be sabotaged is by collusion, not by just an individual. I understand it is sometimes an extremely hard rule to follow, but redundancy is of high importance, even in something as simple as retail you would never be happy about the guy who counts the money being the same guy who deposits it. Redundancy is a key rule you learn in business school, (( it was for me at least)).
I uh... appreciate the effort but am not really understanding what you're saying to be honest... :/
Sorry, the first line was a quote from the Dark Knight that popped into my head after reading your statement and I found it amusing, it was a joke. The rest in simple terms was just commenting on how I feel FXO is a strong organization that understands business principles and how they likely won't make mistakes of the same type that doomed Slayers.
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
Yea because he's any worse than certain players on ROOT's roster, current and former...
The foreign scene is hilarious in it's resemblance of a high school community. Popularity goes much farther than actual achievement or skill. I'm pretty ambivalent towards Avilo but if FXO picks up those players and decides to leave out Avilo because of popular sentiment, that's a joke. But I guess that's where the foreign scene has been gravitating towards anyways.
Like who... rotterdam? I'd say the rest of root lineup can pound him into the ground. Masa, tod, vibe, major, slush, tt1... so besides cheesy fitzyhere, and maybe rotterdam because he isn't 100% dedicated to playing please explain who he is better than in the actual PLAYING root line up...
On October 28 2012 13:14 Gamegene wrote: o.o so does this mean FXO.Avilo..?
Pretty cool to see FXOpen now owning 3 fully fledged teams in the three major SC2 continents :D
Avilo's position on the team has not been fully decided, It is still being discussed internally
Please pick up Avilo, as outspoken as he may be, he has a lot of loyal fans and a lot of potential.
Avilo kicks ass
"Avilo kicks ass" really says nothing.
The guy has had "potential" for more than 2.5 years and produced little in the way of competitive event results at hte top level of the game. He is petty and confrontational over silly issues.
If you want to protect the "FXOpen" brand then I'd recommend that this guy be given the freedom to "realize his potential" on another team.
On October 29 2012 07:58 LgNkarmy wrote: Once again thanks for all the supportive comments!
FXOpen is an extremely strong brand. Protecting its image will be a major part of your job. Good Luck in your future work with a really cool team!
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
Yea because he's any worse than certain players on ROOT's roster, current and former...
The foreign scene is hilarious in it's resemblance of a high school community. Popularity goes much farther than actual achievement or skill. I'm pretty ambivalent towards Avilo but if FXO picks up those players and decides to leave out Avilo because of popular sentiment, that's a joke. But I guess that's where the foreign scene has been gravitating towards anyways.
i think they are just trying to protect their brand. The last thing they need is controversy from an LGN team member who will add almost nothing to their brand on an international level.
On October 29 2012 10:02 EleanorRIgby wrote: picking up players like karmy and power but not avilo? I guess they just don't like his personality/reputation.
it wasn't the players that were the main point of their acquisition, but the organisation :D
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
Yea because he's any worse than certain players on ROOT's roster, current and former...
The foreign scene is hilarious in it's resemblance of a high school community. Popularity goes much farther than actual achievement or skill. I'm pretty ambivalent towards Avilo but if FXO picks up those players and decides to leave out Avilo because of popular sentiment, that's a joke. But I guess that's where the foreign scene has been gravitating towards anyways.
Like who... rotterdam? I'd say the rest of root lineup can pound him into the ground. Masa, tod, vibe, major, slush, tt1... so besides cheesy fitzyhere, and maybe rotterdam because he isn't 100% dedicated to playing please explain who he is better than in the actual PLAYING root line up...
Good job to rest of lgn guys, good luck in fxo.
I meant in terms of being a 'good "community figure"'. Not in terms of game skill. Destiny for example, but it's not limited to just him.
On October 28 2012 13:14 Gamegene wrote: o.o so does this mean FXO.Avilo..?
Pretty cool to see FXOpen now owning 3 fully fledged teams in the three major SC2 continents :D
Avilo's position on the team has not been fully decided, It is still being discussed internally
Please pick up Avilo, as outspoken as he may be, he has a lot of loyal fans and a lot of potential.
Avilo kicks ass
"Avilo kicks ass" really says nothing.
The guy has had "potential" for more than 2.5 years and produced little in the way of competitive event results at hte top level of the game. He is petty and confrontational over silly issues.
If you want to protect the "FXOpen" brand then I'd recommend that this guy be given the freedom to "realize his potential" on another team.
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
Yea because he's any worse than certain players on ROOT's roster, current and former...
The foreign scene is hilarious in it's resemblance of a high school community. Popularity goes much farther than actual achievement or skill. I'm pretty ambivalent towards Avilo but if FXO picks up those players and decides to leave out Avilo because of popular sentiment, that's a joke. But I guess that's where the foreign scene has been gravitating towards anyways.
i think they are just trying to protect their brand. The last thing they need is controversy from an LGN team member who will add almost nothing to their brand on an international level.
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
It is one thing to be outspoken and make controversial statements or complain about balance, it is another thing to make unprovoked, personal insults. Catz has done this multiple times and Avilo's been nothing but friendly to him, and spoken highly of him on his stream.
Anyone else on TL would be banned for seeking out a poster just to insult them, especially more than once, and it burns me up that Catz gets away with this shit, and that he would even be such an awful human being.
On October 28 2012 13:14 Gamegene wrote: o.o so does this mean FXO.Avilo..?
Pretty cool to see FXOpen now owning 3 fully fledged teams in the three major SC2 continents :D
Avilo's position on the team has not been fully decided, It is still being discussed internally
Please pick up Avilo, as outspoken as he may be, he has a lot of loyal fans and a lot of potential.
Avilo kicks ass
"Avilo kicks ass" really says nothing.
The guy has had "potential" for more than 2.5 years and produced little in the way of competitive event results at hte top level of the game. He is petty and confrontational over silly issues.
If you want to protect the "FXOpen" brand then I'd recommend that this guy be given the freedom to "realize his potential" on another team.
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
Yea because he's any worse than certain players on ROOT's roster, current and former...
The foreign scene is hilarious in it's resemblance of a high school community. Popularity goes much farther than actual achievement or skill. I'm pretty ambivalent towards Avilo but if FXO picks up those players and decides to leave out Avilo because of popular sentiment, that's a joke. But I guess that's where the foreign scene has been gravitating towards anyways.
i think they are just trying to protect their brand. The last thing they need is controversy from an LGN team member who will add almost nothing to their brand on an international level.
Additionally, for team leagues, he doesn't lose TvT. He beats Illusion most of the time. Nobody is going to say "I'm not opening a forex account with you guys because that guy who thinks infestors are imbalanced has FXO before his name."
On October 28 2012 13:14 Gamegene wrote: o.o so does this mean FXO.Avilo..?
Pretty cool to see FXOpen now owning 3 fully fledged teams in the three major SC2 continents :D
Avilo's position on the team has not been fully decided, It is still being discussed internally
Please pick up Avilo, as outspoken as he may be, he has a lot of loyal fans and a lot of potential.
Avilo kicks ass
"Avilo kicks ass" really says nothing.
The guy has had "potential" for more than 2.5 years and produced little in the way of competitive event results at hte top level of the game. He is petty and confrontational over silly issues.
If you want to protect the "FXOpen" brand then I'd recommend that this guy be given the freedom to "realize his potential" on another team.
On October 29 2012 07:58 LgNkarmy wrote: Once again thanks for all the supportive comments!
FXOpen is an extremely strong brand. Protecting its image will be a major part of your job. Good Luck in your future work with a really cool team!
On October 29 2012 07:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 29 2012 07:29 hunts wrote:
On October 29 2012 04:25 U_G_L_Y wrote:
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
Yea because he's any worse than certain players on ROOT's roster, current and former...
The foreign scene is hilarious in it's resemblance of a high school community. Popularity goes much farther than actual achievement or skill. I'm pretty ambivalent towards Avilo but if FXO picks up those players and decides to leave out Avilo because of popular sentiment, that's a joke. But I guess that's where the foreign scene has been gravitating towards anyways.
i think they are just trying to protect their brand. The last thing they need is controversy from an LGN team member who will add almost nothing to their brand on an international level.
Additionally, for team leagues, he doesn't lose TvT. He beats Illusion most of the time. Nobody is going to say "I'm not opening a forex account with you guys because that guy who thinks infestors are imbalanced has FXO before his name."
Seriously; what are you talking about?
read the last line of my comment. "The last thing they need is controversy from an LGN team member who will add almost nothing to their brand on an international level."
when he enters Code "A" or "S" or wins a major event let me know.
On October 29 2012 10:51 U_G_L_Y wrote: "Additionally, for team leagues, he doesn't lose TvT."
This is false. I've watched Goody manhandle this guy several times in TvT. And I would not call Goody's TvT world class by any stretch of the imagination.
the other LGN players, like the player in question, have produced nothing at the top level of the game. However, they represent no threat to the FXOpen brand image.
Avilo won't hurt the brand he's not that stupid. He might be a whiny little shit who rubs a lot of people the wrong way but he's not going to hurt the brand.
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
It is one thing to be outspoken and make controversial statements or complain about balance, it is another thing to make unprovoked, personal insults. Catz has done this multiple times and Avilo's been nothing but friendly to him, and spoken highly of him on his stream.
Anyone else on TL would be banned for seeking out a poster just to insult them, especially more than once, and it burns me up that Catz gets away with this shit, and that he would even be such an awful human being.
Want to edit your post? It really annoys me when someone calls another an "awful human being" especially one of my friends. Especially on the site I call home. I personally think catz didn't need to say it, but its not ur place to call him an awful human being because of it. If you think because someone says something mean to someone else it makes them an awful person, then your being an awful person right? =/
On October 29 2012 11:19 iaguz wrote: Avilo won't hurt the brand he's not that stupid. He might be a whiny little shit who rubs a lot of people the wrong way but he's not going to hurt the brand.
there is no upside to bringing him onto their team. better safe than sorry.
He's got something of a following (for some reason), his stream gets a good amount of viewers and if balance whining was something that could get you kicked from a team I doubt we'd have a scene anymore.
On October 29 2012 11:30 iaguz wrote: his stream gets a good amount of viewers
define "good amount"
his following is negligible and i'd say zero people in his "following" trade securities or commodities or currencies. he has not won a high profile international event. so again, he'll add nothing to FXOpen.
he has not won a high profile international event.
Holy fuck 99% of current people playing SC2 should just quit because we haven't done this. I mean shit all of FXO bar Leenock and Gumiho haven't done this should they quit?
Shut the fuck up you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're saying.
he has not won a high profile international event.
Holy fuck 99% of current people playing SC2 should just quit because we haven't done this. I mean shit all of FXO bar Leenock and Gumiho haven't done this should they quit?
Shut the fuck up you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're saying.
Thank you for your attention to this thread and for your comments and insights but please do not use such a hostile tone. Let's keep it civil everyone.
he has not won a high profile international event.
Holy fuck 99% of current people playing SC2 should just quit because we haven't done this. I mean shit all of FXO bar Leenock and Gumiho haven't done this should they quit?
Shut the fuck up you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're saying.
The problem is if they don't bring on avilo there is probably a reason you know? Clearly avilo's "image" can't be that great if they don't mind bringing in players with little to no results but decide to overlook avilo. It has nothing to do with results, results are clearly irrelevant as most of these players don't have any significant results its all about his image and if FXO doesn't take him clearly he has built a negative image.
Congrats to the guys who did make it on FXO. I'm glad they are "rebuilding" their NA team and I hope the best of luck to these guys. Most specifically LgNKarmy and LgNTheory two of my favorite protoss's in the world!!!!
he has not won a high profile international event.
Holy fuck 99% of current people playing SC2 should just quit because we haven't done this. I mean shit all of FXO bar Leenock and Gumiho haven't done this should they quit? Shut the fuck up you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're saying.
swearing does not add to the clarity of your post.
i'm not sure what you are getting at here.
to address part one: A player deciding whether or not to play a certain game has nothing to do with FXO's choices about who they want to pay to represent their team and brand. Its up to each individual to decide whether or not they want to keep playing SC2. its a personal choice.
to address part 2: Players who win or even place highly in major events provide a motivation for a team like FXO to keep them on their team. Therefore, Leenock and Gumiho create motivation for a top team to sign and pay them due to their past success. The player in question provides zero motivation because his success in major international events is zero.
also, your facts presented are incorrect. Lucky finished 2nd at IPL3. Choya has been in the GSL Code "S" or Code "A" at least 3 times. http://teamfxo.com/index.php?pageid=results i could go on listing more examples but it'd derail the thread.
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
It is one thing to be outspoken and make controversial statements or complain about balance, it is another thing to make unprovoked, personal insults. Catz has done this multiple times and Avilo's been nothing but friendly to him, and spoken highly of him on his stream.
Anyone else on TL would be banned for seeking out a poster just to insult them, especially more than once, and it burns me up that Catz gets away with this shit, and that he would even be such an awful human being.
Want to edit your post? It really annoys me when someone calls another an "awful human being" especially one of my friends. Especially on the site I call home. I personally think catz didn't need to say it, but its not ur place to call him an awful human being because of it. If you think because someone says something mean to someone else it makes them an awful person, then your being an awful person right? =/
But it doesn't seem to annoy you when someone calls avilo much worse? *just shakes my head at the iniquities.
Thanks Ugly and other loyal avilo fans who see/know the "real" avilo and aren't afraid to stand behind him. He knows his game and is not afraid to speak his mind and that's a reason to hate him? Fine. Avilo has strong shoulders and a strong moral character and the verbal abuse I've seen directed at him for over two years for no reason other than he's avilo (He hasn't said or done anything that I haven't seen/heard other players do) would have broken anyone else. I'll just say in my opinion what this community has tried to do to him is just blatantly wrong.
it'll be interesting to see how FXOpen develops their North American team. i wonder if this is part of a move in general for FXOpen to attract North American Forex traders to their site.
and people wonder why pros or other community figures don't post much when this is the level of respect they get seriously leave the drama to the days of our lives writers and lets just focus on starcraft
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
It is one thing to be outspoken and make controversial statements or complain about balance, it is another thing to make unprovoked, personal insults. Catz has done this multiple times and Avilo's been nothing but friendly to him, and spoken highly of him on his stream.
Anyone else on TL would be banned for seeking out a poster just to insult them, especially more than once, and it burns me up that Catz gets away with this shit, and that he would even be such an awful human being.
Want to edit your post? It really annoys me when someone calls another an "awful human being" especially one of my friends. Especially on the site I call home. I personally think catz didn't need to say it, but its not ur place to call him an awful human being because of it. If you think because someone says something mean to someone else it makes them an awful person, then your being an awful person right? =/
But it doesn't seem to annoy you when someone calls avilo much worse? *just shakes my head at the iniquities.
Thanks Ugly and other loyal avilo fans who see/know the "real" avilo and aren't afraid to stand behind him. He knows his game and is not afraid to speak his mind and that's a reason to hate him? Fine. Avilo has strong shoulders and a strong moral character and the verbal abuse I've seen directed at him for over two years for no reason other than he's avilo (He hasn't said or done anything that I haven't seen/heard other players do) would have broken anyone else. I'll just say in my opinion what this community has tried to do to him is just blatantly wrong.
He's actually worse then most other players especially when it comes to balance (he has said terran was underpowered since Beta of WoL and even when terran was dominating he still thought they were weak lol). The hate he gets is well deserved he's also an incredibly rude person at least online, he'll offensive GG, he'll call players way better then him names he shouldn't. There is a reason at the high level of play he's a joke whenever his name is mentioned.
Either way this topic shouldn't be about avilo, grats to LGN on being absorbed by FXO.
first thought I had was "i wonder if Avilo is on FXO now", as he's the only legion player i've followed.
he's an interesting streamer to watch. decent players with attitude are always interesting to watch. of course one is left with the feeling "wish he focused more on the positives" but that doesn't mean he's not compelling viewing for some.
What is the current FXO.NA Roster - Derek 'TheoRy' Travisano - Alyssa 'AuRora' Goose - Jasper 'Power' Chou - Matthew 'Karmy' Munholland - Choi 'Shuttle' Sung Jin
We will be looking at expanding this roster slowly over time
Ok to make things clear. We absorbed an organisation.. Not a team. That is, media, web design, awesome translators (hello seeker) and a bunch of good guys with great goals. Some things that we lacked as an organisation have now been filled entirely by this absorbing allowing us to further expand.
Of course, people might be disappointed by the "NA Roster" but the purpose of absorbing LgN is not just players. Its organisational.
I hope this clarifies some of the "does not make sense" posts.
So Shuttle is the only good NA player FXO even has? That sucks =/ I like FXO
What is the current FXO.NA Roster - Derek 'TheoRy' Travisano - Alyssa 'AuRora' Goose - Jasper 'Power' Chou - Matthew 'Karmy' Munholland - Choi 'Shuttle' Sung Jin
We will be looking at expanding this roster slowly over time
Ok to make things clear. We absorbed an organisation.. Not a team. That is, media, web design, awesome translators (hello seeker) and a bunch of good guys with great goals. Some things that we lacked as an organisation have now been filled entirely by this absorbing allowing us to further expand.
Of course, people might be disappointed by the "NA Roster" but the purpose of absorbing LgN is not just players. Its organisational.
I hope this clarifies some of the "does not make sense" posts.
So Shuttle is the only good NA player FXO even has? That sucks =/ I like FXO
Once FXO.NA gets everything settled and stabilized, it will be time to start recruiting
What is the current FXO.NA Roster - Derek 'TheoRy' Travisano - Alyssa 'AuRora' Goose - Jasper 'Power' Chou - Matthew 'Karmy' Munholland - Choi 'Shuttle' Sung Jin
We will be looking at expanding this roster slowly over time
Ok to make things clear. We absorbed an organisation.. Not a team. That is, media, web design, awesome translators (hello seeker) and a bunch of good guys with great goals. Some things that we lacked as an organisation have now been filled entirely by this absorbing allowing us to further expand.
Of course, people might be disappointed by the "NA Roster" but the purpose of absorbing LgN is not just players. Its organisational.
I hope this clarifies some of the "does not make sense" posts.
So Shuttle is the only good NA player FXO even has? That sucks =/ I like FXO
Once FXO.NA gets everything settled and stabilized, it will be time to start recruiting
any word on whatever happened to moonan and optikzero?
What is the current FXO.NA Roster - Derek 'TheoRy' Travisano - Alyssa 'AuRora' Goose - Jasper 'Power' Chou - Matthew 'Karmy' Munholland - Choi 'Shuttle' Sung Jin
We will be looking at expanding this roster slowly over time
Ok to make things clear. We absorbed an organisation.. Not a team. That is, media, web design, awesome translators (hello seeker) and a bunch of good guys with great goals. Some things that we lacked as an organisation have now been filled entirely by this absorbing allowing us to further expand.
Of course, people might be disappointed by the "NA Roster" but the purpose of absorbing LgN is not just players. Its organisational.
I hope this clarifies some of the "does not make sense" posts.
So Shuttle is the only good NA player FXO even has? That sucks =/ I like FXO
Once FXO.NA gets everything settled and stabilized, it will be time to start recruiting
any word on whatever happened to moonan and optikzero?
On October 28 2012 15:23 mikkmagro wrote: Awesome!
There are a lot of discrepancies on the roster between the website and the Liquipedia page however :<
Have mOoNan, Optikzero, kAsyu, Supreme, VoidRay, and Kong left FXO?
we are in the process of getting all that fixed up, in regards to those specific players, optik/moonan are on indefinate break, kasyu is a practice partner from home, supreme is a coach in the house, voidray has left the team and kong is a practice partner from home too.
What is the current FXO.NA Roster - Derek 'TheoRy' Travisano - Alyssa 'AuRora' Goose - Jasper 'Power' Chou - Matthew 'Karmy' Munholland - Choi 'Shuttle' Sung Jin
We will be looking at expanding this roster slowly over time
Ok to make things clear. We absorbed an organisation.. Not a team. That is, media, web design, awesome translators (hello seeker) and a bunch of good guys with great goals. Some things that we lacked as an organisation have now been filled entirely by this absorbing allowing us to further expand.
Of course, people might be disappointed by the "NA Roster" but the purpose of absorbing LgN is not just players. Its organisational.
I hope this clarifies some of the "does not make sense" posts.
So Shuttle is the only good NA player FXO even has? That sucks =/ I like FXO
Once FXO.NA gets everything settled and stabilized, it will be time to start recruiting
any word on whatever happened to moonan and optikzero?
Yeah. Posted on page5 by fxopen:
"we are in the process of getting all that fixed up, in regards to those specific players, optik/moonan are on indefinate break, kasyu is a practice partner from home, supreme is a coach in the house, voidray has left the team and kong is a practice partner from home too."
So they are both on indefinite break is what we know.
FXOBoss beat me to it! Also <3 optik, he was the first of my friends to get sponsored, hoping he comes back to serious SC2 eventually.
On October 29 2012 15:22 Zennith wrote: How does Karmy end up on teams? He's literally mid-masters at best.
And? A player's value isn't based on his current skill level, but how much more he can grow on the right team. I don't know Karmy personally. So I can't judge his skill level, but don't get stuck in the mindset of judging players on their ladder ranking. That's rather silly.
On October 29 2012 15:22 Zennith wrote: How does Karmy end up on teams? He's literally mid-masters at best.
Sorry miss read what you said. Some luck, some hard work and dedication.
...and plenty of bm?
I'm sorry if I ever offended you, but I don't remember using "plenty of BM"
Really? I can recall several instances.
Is this jealousy beaming through your posts?
No, not really. Because he's wasting his time - he'll never be a successful pro, as he's just not good enough. I'm not either, but I at least don't waste my time. I just don't understand why teams have a guy like him on their roster when he brings nothing to the table.
On October 29 2012 15:22 Zennith wrote: How does Karmy end up on teams? He's literally mid-masters at best.
Sorry miss read what you said. Some luck, some hard work and dedication.
...and plenty of bm?
I'm sorry if I ever offended you, but I don't remember using "plenty of BM"
Really? I can recall several instances.
Is this jealousy beaming through your posts?
No, not really. Because he's wasting his time - he'll never be a successful pro, as he's just not good enough. I'm not either, but I at least don't waste my time. I just don't understand why teams have a guy like him on their roster when he brings nothing to the table.
I don't think it's possible for karmy to bm. Also if you are taczennith you wanted to tryout for LgN in the past so apparently you did want to waste your time.
On October 29 2012 15:22 Zennith wrote: How does Karmy end up on teams? He's literally mid-masters at best.
Sorry miss read what you said. Some luck, some hard work and dedication.
...and plenty of bm?
I'm sorry if I ever offended you, but I don't remember using "plenty of BM"
Really? I can recall several instances.
Is this jealousy beaming through your posts?
No, not really. Because he's wasting his time - he'll never be a successful pro, as he's just not good enough. I'm not either, but I at least don't waste my time. I just don't understand why teams have a guy like him on their roster when he brings nothing to the table.
don't judge other people for choosing a specific path in their life, if that's what he wants to do, despite the odds stacked against him, so be it. if he crashes and burns, at least he can take comfort knowing he had no regrets in what he decided.
What is the current FXO.NA Roster - Derek 'TheoRy' Travisano - Alyssa 'AuRora' Goose - Jasper 'Power' Chou - Matthew 'Karmy' Munholland - Choi 'Shuttle' Sung Jin
We will be looking at expanding this roster slowly over time
Ok to make things clear. We absorbed an organisation.. Not a team. That is, media, web design, awesome translators (hello seeker) and a bunch of good guys with great goals. Some things that we lacked as an organisation have now been filled entirely by this absorbing allowing us to further expand.
Of course, people might be disappointed by the "NA Roster" but the purpose of absorbing LgN is not just players. Its organisational.
I hope this clarifies some of the "does not make sense" posts.
So Shuttle is the only good NA player FXO even has? That sucks =/ I like FXO
Once FXO.NA gets everything settled and stabilized, it will be time to start recruiting
You should get Kyhol. Just give him some money and a montage and he'll be good to go.
On October 28 2012 13:19 mcgriffin wrote: yeah why didn't you absorb SlayerS...
Because they already have a Korea squad? Thats nto what they were after, they wanted a stronger position in NA, and Slayers wouldnt have given them that.
Surprising news. I thought FXOBoss said business was not looking that good in Esports anymore. But I forgot where I got it from. I think those Destiny treads.
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
It is one thing to be outspoken and make controversial statements or complain about balance, it is another thing to make unprovoked, personal insults. Catz has done this multiple times and Avilo's been nothing but friendly to him, and spoken highly of him on his stream.
Anyone else on TL would be banned for seeking out a poster just to insult them, especially more than once, and it burns me up that Catz gets away with this shit, and that he would even be such an awful human being.
Want to edit your post? It really annoys me when someone calls another an "awful human being" especially one of my friends. Especially on the site I call home. I personally think catz didn't need to say it, but its not ur place to call him an awful human being because of it. If you think because someone says something mean to someone else it makes them an awful person, then your being an awful person right? =/
No.
Want to reconsider whose post needs editing? Catz repeatedly makes unprovoked personal attacks for the sake of being mean. He escapes moderation because he is an esteemed figure. I do not believe that habitual bullies are good people.
My opinion of him might change if he edited his postS, but I am just some random scrub on the internet whose opinion doesn't matter; his does. And that is the point.
On October 29 2012 16:37 catburst wrote: Maybe some FXO Dota?
Team probably not, events maybe.
Personally (I'm frequency) I really want to bring back Prime Defending, but we're discussing among ourselves how to go down the path if we choose to go down it at all.
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
It is one thing to be outspoken and make controversial statements or complain about balance, it is another thing to make unprovoked, personal insults. Catz has done this multiple times and Avilo's been nothing but friendly to him, and spoken highly of him on his stream.
Anyone else on TL would be banned for seeking out a poster just to insult them, especially more than once, and it burns me up that Catz gets away with this shit, and that he would even be such an awful human being.
Want to edit your post? It really annoys me when someone calls another an "awful human being" especially one of my friends. Especially on the site I call home. I personally think catz didn't need to say it, but its not ur place to call him an awful human being because of it. If you think because someone says something mean to someone else it makes them an awful person, then your being an awful person right? =/
No.
Want to reconsider whose post needs editing? Catz repeatedly makes unprovoked personal attacks for the sake of being mean. He escapes moderation because he is an esteemed figure. I do not believe that habitual bullies are good people.
My opinion of him might change if he edited his postS, but I am just some random scrub on the internet whose opinion doesn't matter; his does. And that is the point.
Lets face it Sheth, saying what Catz said on a public forum was uncalled for. Calling him a horrible human being for it is a stretch and an exaggeration but we are on the internet; the home of unparalleled hyperbole. If you find the need to insult someone, say it out loud on stream or someplace where you can claim, it "slipped" out, or claim it was a heat of the moment thing. Going on a forum, taking the time to type it out and think about it, that makes it seem more vitriolic than the actually comment actually is.
I have been accused of not seeing the shades of grey in the world, and that is a fair criticism. But I thought long and hard and it is what I believe. I would say it face to face.
If the inappropriate post had beed moderated, this thread would not be off track. PM me if I have ruffled your feathers.
On October 29 2012 23:00 YoucriedWolf wrote: Strange, feels more like charity than business. Not a typical Boss move. But ofc I have no idea about the underlying details.
When they first picked up fOu it was almost charity rather than business as well. But FXO.KR is doing really well now. Think Boss knows what he's doing.
On October 29 2012 23:00 YoucriedWolf wrote: Strange, feels more like charity than business. Not a typical Boss move. But ofc I have no idea about the underlying details.
Charity? What the f*ck? As you just stated yourself, you don't know the underlying details. Please don't assume anything.
On October 29 2012 23:00 YoucriedWolf wrote: Strange, feels more like charity than business. Not a typical Boss move. But ofc I have no idea about the underlying details.
When they first picked up fOu it was almost charity rather than business as well. But FXO.KR is doing really well now. Think Boss knows what he's doing.
What lol? FXO can thank fOu for giving them all their A-teamers and their only successful GSL players... Pretty sure most players retired/quit from FXO except the former fOu members...
FXO acquiring fOu was strictly business and probably one of the smartest business moves in SC2 to date.
On October 29 2012 15:22 Zennith wrote: How does Karmy end up on teams? He's literally mid-masters at best.
Sorry miss read what you said. Some luck, some hard work and dedication.
...and plenty of bm?
I'm sorry if I ever offended you, but I don't remember using "plenty of BM"
Really? I can recall several instances.
Is this jealousy beaming through your posts?
No, not really. Because he's wasting his time - he'll never be a successful pro, as he's just not good enough. I'm not either, but I at least don't waste my time. I just don't understand why teams have a guy like him on their roster when he brings nothing to the table.
I don't think it's possible for karmy to bm. Also if you are taczennith you wanted to tryout for LgN in the past so apparently you did want to waste your time.
Lol good lord. That again? That's actually when Karmy bmd me for days - and I didn't even try out, nor did I decide I wanted to - I simply asked about it, since ButteryGreg had talked to me once about it a month or so prior. And Karmy also seems to be on two teams at once sometimes, since his smurf plays in team wars for xO.
don't judge other people for choosing a specific path in their life, if that's what he wants to do, despite the odds stacked against him, so be it. if he crashes and burns, at least he can take comfort knowing he had no regrets in what he decided.
And fair enough. I guess that's his right. But I don't understand the value for a team like FXO in picking up a player who hasn't shown any results at all on the NA ladder or in team leagues - and he even went to the ministry of win and didn't improve.
On October 29 2012 15:22 Zennith wrote: How does Karmy end up on teams? He's literally mid-masters at best.
Sorry miss read what you said. Some luck, some hard work and dedication.
...and plenty of bm?
I'm sorry if I ever offended you, but I don't remember using "plenty of BM"
Really? I can recall several instances.
Is this jealousy beaming through your posts?
No, not really. Because he's wasting his time - he'll never be a successful pro, as he's just not good enough. I'm not either, but I at least don't waste my time. I just don't understand why teams have a guy like him on their roster when he brings nothing to the table.
I don't think it's possible for karmy to bm. Also if you are taczennith you wanted to tryout for LgN in the past so apparently you did want to waste your time.
Lol good lord. That again? That's actually when Karmy bmd me for days - and I didn't even try out, nor did I decide I wanted to - I simply asked about it, since ButteryGreg had talked to me once about it a month or so prior. And Karmy also seems to be on two teams at once sometimes, since his smurf plays in team wars for xO.
don't judge other people for choosing a specific path in their life, if that's what he wants to do, despite the odds stacked against him, so be it. if he crashes and burns, at least he can take comfort knowing he had no regrets in what he decided.
And fair enough. I guess that's his right. But I don't understand the value for a team like FXO in picking up a player who hasn't shown any results at all on the NA ladder or in team leagues - and he even went to the ministry of win and didn't improve.
Hmmm because karmy practices with xO means he was competeting in clan wars for us? He played in one friendly clan war that had nothing to do with anything, I even played in this clan war and I'm only the manager, not a competitive player for xO in any mean... Not sure why you would try to drag us through the mud when you clearly have a personal vendetta vs Karmy but please don't throw out false information so you can continue to cause drama.....
On October 29 2012 15:22 Zennith wrote: How does Karmy end up on teams? He's literally mid-masters at best.
Sorry miss read what you said. Some luck, some hard work and dedication.
...and plenty of bm?
I'm sorry if I ever offended you, but I don't remember using "plenty of BM"
Really? I can recall several instances.
Is this jealousy beaming through your posts?
No, not really. Because he's wasting his time - he'll never be a successful pro, as he's just not good enough. I'm not either, but I at least don't waste my time. I just don't understand why teams have a guy like him on their roster when he brings nothing to the table.
I don't think it's possible for karmy to bm. Also if you are taczennith you wanted to tryout for LgN in the past so apparently you did want to waste your time.
Lol good lord. That again? That's actually when Karmy bmd me for days - and I didn't even try out, nor did I decide I wanted to - I simply asked about it, since ButteryGreg had talked to me once about it a month or so prior. And Karmy also seems to be on two teams at once sometimes, since his smurf plays in team wars for xO.
don't judge other people for choosing a specific path in their life, if that's what he wants to do, despite the odds stacked against him, so be it. if he crashes and burns, at least he can take comfort knowing he had no regrets in what he decided.
And fair enough. I guess that's his right. But I don't understand the value for a team like FXO in picking up a player who hasn't shown any results at all on the NA ladder or in team leagues - and he even went to the ministry of win and didn't improve.
You really are coming across like you have some other reason besides BM for your personal vendetta against karmy.
Congratulations on expanding fxo, I have finally decided to look into your product and was surprised to find out it was a foreign exchange trading company. I've graduated with a degree in finance, (hough I prefer dealing with single business at a time finance as opposed to macroeconomic factors of entire countries that currency trading tends to encourage one to think in terms of, as I'm smart enough to know I'm not THAT smart that I can predict currency value expect in insanely obvious situations, (Like when Malaysia took the country off of being linked to the dollar, Soros gets villified/credit for profiting off of it but every smart person in finance could see that coming). I'm going to probably make a free demo account because I like the team
On October 30 2012 05:42 LgNKane wrote: karmy is one of the nicest people ive met on sc2. i find it extremely hard to believe that he bm'ed. gtfo.
Yeah, I just like to make things up.
And if Karmy wasn't on xO, why was he playing in xO in house tournaments? He was even officially on the B team for a while, as per posts on the xO forums. And this was around the same time he played against us for LgN in the sc2clans tournament. Just saying.
On October 30 2012 05:42 LgNKane wrote: karmy is one of the nicest people ive met on sc2. i find it extremely hard to believe that he bm'ed. gtfo.
You are one of the absolute most trash posters I have recently seen who has not yet been 90 day'd or permed. I hope you won't be plaguing one of my favourite teams, even as a mere NA division affiliate.
Haha I can't believe the path this thread took - Karmy, regardless of his skill level, is definitely not bm and is a nice guy. I think a lot of people are just jealous :/
Just to clarify, Karmy primary acts as a coach/ practice coordinator for FXO.NA and if you look on our roster on teamfxo.com that is specified. As for Kane, he isnt on the team, again look at the roster on the website.
On October 30 2012 05:42 LgNKane wrote: karmy is one of the nicest people ive met on sc2. i find it extremely hard to believe that he bm'ed. gtfo.
Yeah, I just like to make things up.
And if Karmy wasn't on xO, why was he playing in xO in house tournaments? He was even officially on the B team for a while, as per posts on the xO forums. And this was around the same time he played against us for LgN in the sc2clans tournament. Just saying.
I don't know what you have against Karmy, but you need to just chill out. You keep insisting that he is BM while giving nothing more than your word. Do you honestly expect us to believe some random person on TL when all they're giving is a sarcastic remark about how you wouldn't make it up? Seriously, I'm not sure why the concept of Karmy wearing and FXO tag bothers you so much, but you're just going to have to get over it.
On October 30 2012 05:42 LgNKane wrote: karmy is one of the nicest people ive met on sc2. i find it extremely hard to believe that he bm'ed. gtfo.
Yeah, I just like to make things up.
And if Karmy wasn't on xO, why was he playing in xO in house tournaments? He was even officially on the B team for a while, as per posts on the xO forums. And this was around the same time he played against us for LgN in the sc2clans tournament. Just saying.
I don't know what you have against Karmy, but you need to just chill out. You keep insisting that he is BM while giving nothing more than your word. Do you honestly expect us to believe some random person on TL when all they're giving is a sarcastic remark about how you wouldn't make it up? Seriously, I'm not sure why the concept of Karmy wearing and FXO tag bothers you so much, but you're just going to have to get over it.
Honestly, the BM is irrelevant. I just don't see why he's on two teams at once.
On October 29 2012 23:00 YoucriedWolf wrote: Strange, feels more like charity than business. Not a typical Boss move. But ofc I have no idea about the underlying details.
Charity? What the f*ck? As you just stated yourself, you don't know the underlying details. Please don't assume anything.
I did none of the kind, I'm just speculating freely with what little information I have. NA is in dire need of help because they are getting none. I trust boss to be a sensible person in financial matters, surely there is more to this than what my tiny mind can comprehend and I am happy to have it as such.
On October 28 2012 13:14 Gamegene wrote: o.o so does this mean FXO.Avilo..?
Pretty cool to see FXOpen now owning 3 fully fledged teams in the three major SC2 continents :D
Avilo's position on the team has not been fully decided, It is still being discussed internally
Please pick up Avilo, as outspoken as he may be, he has a lot of loyal fans and a lot of potential.
Avilo kicks ass
"Avilo kicks ass" really says nothing.
The guy has had "potential" for more than 2.5 years and produced little in the way of competitive event results at hte top level of the game. He is petty and confrontational over silly issues.
If you want to protect the "FXOpen" brand then I'd recommend that this guy be given the freedom to "realize his potential" on another team.
On October 29 2012 07:58 LgNkarmy wrote: Once again thanks for all the supportive comments!
FXOpen is an extremely strong brand. Protecting its image will be a major part of your job. Good Luck in your future work with a really cool team!
On October 29 2012 07:56 SupLilSon wrote:
On October 29 2012 07:29 hunts wrote:
On October 29 2012 04:25 U_G_L_Y wrote:
On October 28 2012 14:07 ROOTCatZ wrote: FXOAvilo, he's not the hero we need right now but, he's the hero... wait, nope. neither apply.
Why have you become such a hateful malicious person?
Grow up and stop being a dick. Your team deserves more professional behavior.
I don't like catz in any way shape or form, but he is right with that one. Avilo is not exactly a good "community figure."
Yea because he's any worse than certain players on ROOT's roster, current and former...
The foreign scene is hilarious in it's resemblance of a high school community. Popularity goes much farther than actual achievement or skill. I'm pretty ambivalent towards Avilo but if FXO picks up those players and decides to leave out Avilo because of popular sentiment, that's a joke. But I guess that's where the foreign scene has been gravitating towards anyways.
i think they are just trying to protect their brand. The last thing they need is controversy from an LGN team member who will add almost nothing to their brand on an international level.
Additionally, for team leagues, he doesn't lose TvT. He beats Illusion most of the time. Nobody is going to say "I'm not opening a forex account with you guys because that guy who thinks infestors are imbalanced has FXO before his name."
Seriously; what are you talking about?
last time i played the guy tvt was like a year ago and he doesnt even play this game anymore because "terran sucks" in his words
Oh my god you care so much about karmy do you have a crush? When Legion disbanded he joined xO gaming because i've known him since release. I was excited to have him on xO he was gonna help me manage the team since again I've known him forever, I trust him, and hes one of the most intelligent people I have met in this community unlike some other people... Unfortunately if you look at his twitter with your fantastic detective work you would realize his stay with us was very short as he was offered this fantastic opportunity with FXO so like any sane person he decided he would go that route again.
On October 30 2012 07:33 Zennith wrote: Twitter posts like this are especially confusing:
Matthew Munholland @FXOkaRmy:
I'm officially apart of @xO_gaming.
So... is he xO or FXO?
Oh my god you care so much about karmy do you have a crush? When Legion disbanded he joined xO gaming because i've known him since release. I was excited to have him on xO he was gonna help me manage the team since again I've known him forever, I trust him, and hes one of the most intelligent people I have met in this community unlike some other people... Unfortunately if you look at his twitter with your fantastic detective work you would realize his stay with us was very short as he was offered this fantastic opportunity with FXO so like any sane person he decided he would go that route again.
Seriously kid do you have nothing better to do??
How come he played on both at the same time? I'm honestly just curious.
On October 30 2012 07:33 Zennith wrote: Twitter posts like this are especially confusing:
Matthew Munholland @FXOkaRmy:
I'm officially apart of @xO_gaming.
So... is he xO or FXO?
Oh my god you care so much about karmy do you have a crush? When Legion disbanded he joined xO gaming because i've known him since release. I was excited to have him on xO he was gonna help me manage the team since again I've known him forever, I trust him, and hes one of the most intelligent people I have met in this community unlike some other people... Unfortunately if you look at his twitter with your fantastic detective work you would realize his stay with us was very short as he was offered this fantastic opportunity with FXO so like any sane person he decided he would go that route again.
Seriously kid do you have nothing better to do??
How come he played on both at the same time? I'm honestly just curious.
the whole LgN team was pretty cool imo. Sure there may be some players who balance whine alot but i mean, who doesnt...? So many jealous people on forums that only bring negativity around. Just because you attempted to tryout for a team and failed doesn't mean you need to flame the current (well... were current >_<) players on the team. I failed my tryout but I still fully support the players from Team LgN as a member of the community and I will continue to support them through FXO.
On October 30 2012 07:33 Zennith wrote: Twitter posts like this are especially confusing:
Matthew Munholland @FXOkaRmy:
I'm officially apart of @xO_gaming.
So... is he xO or FXO?
At least try and be subtle about trying to stir up drama.
This isn't about drama. It's just about one player.
Those two statements are not mutually exclusive. It can still be about a player and involve drama.
Sure. But it isn't about FXO. And I should stop polluting the thread, because the investment FXO is making in the global SC2 scene is to be admired an applauded.
While I disagree with Boss on a lot of issues I really like the way he tries to help a group of people rather than just buying the star players. I hope it works out well.
Zennith, it does not matter if a certain player is BM. If they're good, then they're fine.
And the FXO Roster on teamfxo.com lists Avilo as FXOavilo.
David 'Avilo' Blowe
Avilo trains in Starcraft 2 fulltime, and is one of North America's senior Terran players. Avilo is known specifically for his mech play and use of nukes, earning him the nickname "King Of Mech". He often times draws matches into the late-game, outlasting his opponent with superior upgrades and endurance. His most notable results were 12th and 17th place finishes at several MLG's in 2010.
Avilo trains in Starcraft 2 fulltime, and is one of North America's senior Terran players. Avilo is known specifically for his mech play and use of nukes, earning him the nickname "King Of Mech". He often times draws matches into the late-game, outlasting his opponent with superior upgrades and endurance. His most notable results were 12th and 17th place finishes at several MLG's in 2010.
On November 01 2012 06:22 -TGO- wrote: Zennith, it does not matter if a certain player is BM. If they're good, then they're fine.
Did you read like, any of what I wrote? The BM was irrelevant. Anyways, lets move on please. The point still is that FXO is doing a good thing with this - expanding the NA scene. Lets focus on that.
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