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On October 24 2012 14:41 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:40 Supamang wrote:On October 24 2012 14:33 ImNightmare wrote:On October 24 2012 14:30 Supamang wrote:On October 24 2012 14:28 ImNightmare wrote:On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote:
funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks. She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself. Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions? He's been at the center of this since the beginning and even the most vocal players (namely Jessica and some ex-Slayers guys) aren't talking much about him lol? Of course you don't. You have been shitting on Crank and MMA , doing circle jerks for Jessica since the start of this problem. And I think you don't understand the situation, when nearly everyone above my post has noticed the answer -> No one is right, everyone is wrong the only problem is who did more wrong. hahaha...I've been "shitting on Crank and MMA" and "doing circle jerks for Jessica"? Quote me. And while your at it, calm the fuck down. We're talking about SC2 teams across the globe that you watch on your computer screen. Why are you using language like that? This "no one is right, its just who is less wrong" is just pointless semantics. Youre saying it to sound deep and sophisticated. No I dont understand the situation, neither do you nor "nearly everyone above your post". No one understands the situation. Get off your high horse You are getting too emotional buddy, calm down.
Says the guy using ad hominem towards someone he doesn't even know in defense of...other people he doesn't even know. Pathetic
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goddamn it why do they give out information bit by bit (pun not intended)?
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On October 24 2012 14:18 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:09 Fyrewolf wrote:
Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter. No, it's not irrelevant. Look at her original statement. Show nested quote +In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on. This has now been directly contradicted, because she did in fact cut a personal sponsorship that was offered, according to Razer, and MMA did in fact have reason to be suspicious. The reasons why she rejected the sponsorship don't even matter, or if they are even talking about the same sponsorship. The drama is not about Jessica taking a sponsorship and forwarding it to Boxer; it is really about (and this is the broader umbrella) Jessica taking a sponsorship away from a player without informing that player. That being said, if Manager J was involved as an intermediary and a translator, it is entirely possible that he mistranslated and led Jessica to reject the offer.
The paragraph just before that in the statement is what I was talking about, where the accusations of embezzling were made.
+ Show Spoiler +What I found was shocking. "J" had been telling me and the sponsors different things. While he was telling me that things were going along well in a certain way, he was actually not even in contact with the sponsors at all, or handling the negotiations so poorly that they broke down.
The more ridiculous thing was that he was telling the players that I was receiving sponsorships in their names, and embezzling those funds. For certain, SlayerS was being financially and hardware wise through Boxer's personal sponsorship. The players all knew that Boxer was running the team out of own funds, and I could not understand how they could believe what that manager had to say.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had cut off a personal sponsorship that had been offered.
Razer Korea confirmed anyway that J didn't tell Jessica about it, which we probably could have already assumed since jessica said he was telling her and the sponsors different things. J really seems to have made a giant mess of things(along with, to a slightly lesser extent, everyone else).
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On October 24 2012 14:49 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:41 ImNightmare wrote:On October 24 2012 14:40 Supamang wrote:On October 24 2012 14:33 ImNightmare wrote:On October 24 2012 14:30 Supamang wrote:On October 24 2012 14:28 ImNightmare wrote:On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote:
funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks. She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself. Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions? He's been at the center of this since the beginning and even the most vocal players (namely Jessica and some ex-Slayers guys) aren't talking much about him lol? Of course you don't. You have been shitting on Crank and MMA , doing circle jerks for Jessica since the start of this problem. And I think you don't understand the situation, when nearly everyone above my post has noticed the answer -> No one is right, everyone is wrong the only problem is who did more wrong. hahaha...I've been "shitting on Crank and MMA" and "doing circle jerks for Jessica"? Quote me. And while your at it, calm the fuck down. We're talking about SC2 teams across the globe that you watch on your computer screen. Why are you using language like that? This "no one is right, its just who is less wrong" is just pointless semantics. Youre saying it to sound deep and sophisticated. No I dont understand the situation, neither do you nor "nearly everyone above your post". No one understands the situation. Get off your high horse You are getting too emotional buddy, calm down. Says the guy using ad hominem towards someone he doesn't even know in defense of...other people he doesn't even know. Pathetic
ad hominem? Lol, I am sorry but if you aren't going to control your emotions then I am not going to reply to you anymore, I am not going to waste my time debating with a guy who uses slander and verbal abuse to get his way. Have a nice day.
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There's a reason why J was fired from Razer. Maybe he broke a rule and got kicked out and was out to get back on Razer by using SlayerS as a platform to make it seem like Razer goofed up and should get him reinstated or something.
Also, do the TL forums have a "Hide posts by user" function? I'm getting tired of IMNightmare and his silly antics all over these threads.
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On October 24 2012 14:49 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:18 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 14:09 Fyrewolf wrote:
Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter. No, it's not irrelevant. Look at her original statement. In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on. This has now been directly contradicted, because she did in fact cut a personal sponsorship that was offered, according to Razer, and MMA did in fact have reason to be suspicious. The reasons why she rejected the sponsorship don't even matter, or if they are even talking about the same sponsorship. The drama is not about Jessica taking a sponsorship and forwarding it to Boxer; it is really about (and this is the broader umbrella) Jessica taking a sponsorship away from a player without informing that player. That being said, if Manager J was involved as an intermediary and a translator, it is entirely possible that he mistranslated and led Jessica to reject the offer. The paragraph just before that in the statement is what I was talking about, where the accusations of embezzling were made. + Show Spoiler +What I found was shocking. "J" had been telling me and the sponsors different things. While he was telling me that things were going along well in a certain way, he was actually not even in contact with the sponsors at all, or handling the negotiations so poorly that they broke down.
The more ridiculous thing was that he was telling the players that I was receiving sponsorships in their names, and embezzling those funds. For certain, SlayerS was being financially and hardware wise through Boxer's personal sponsorship. The players all knew that Boxer was running the team out of own funds, and I could not understand how they could believe what that manager had to say.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had cut off a personal sponsorship that had been offered. Razer Korea confirmed anyway that J didn't tell Jessica about it, which we probably could have already assumed since jessica said he was telling her and the sponsors different things. J really seems to have made a giant mess of things(along with, to a slightly lesser extent, everyone else).
Chris mitchell's latest tweet denies that Jessica didn't know about it though.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11zew4/mma_had_personal_sponsorship_offers_oh_jessica/c6qx5wj
It was rejected, the only people who can reject it are Jessica or boxer being the owners. So they did know about it
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On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote:
Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight
@SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
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On October 24 2012 14:52 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:49 Fyrewolf wrote:On October 24 2012 14:18 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 14:09 Fyrewolf wrote:
Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter. No, it's not irrelevant. Look at her original statement. In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on. This has now been directly contradicted, because she did in fact cut a personal sponsorship that was offered, according to Razer, and MMA did in fact have reason to be suspicious. The reasons why she rejected the sponsorship don't even matter, or if they are even talking about the same sponsorship. The drama is not about Jessica taking a sponsorship and forwarding it to Boxer; it is really about (and this is the broader umbrella) Jessica taking a sponsorship away from a player without informing that player. That being said, if Manager J was involved as an intermediary and a translator, it is entirely possible that he mistranslated and led Jessica to reject the offer. The paragraph just before that in the statement is what I was talking about, where the accusations of embezzling were made. + Show Spoiler +What I found was shocking. "J" had been telling me and the sponsors different things. While he was telling me that things were going along well in a certain way, he was actually not even in contact with the sponsors at all, or handling the negotiations so poorly that they broke down.
The more ridiculous thing was that he was telling the players that I was receiving sponsorships in their names, and embezzling those funds. For certain, SlayerS was being financially and hardware wise through Boxer's personal sponsorship. The players all knew that Boxer was running the team out of own funds, and I could not understand how they could believe what that manager had to say.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had cut off a personal sponsorship that had been offered. Razer Korea confirmed anyway that J didn't tell Jessica about it, which we probably could have already assumed since jessica said he was telling her and the sponsors different things. J really seems to have made a giant mess of things(along with, to a slightly lesser extent, everyone else). Chris mitchell's latest tweet denies that Jessica didn't know about it though. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11zew4/mma_had_personal_sponsorship_offers_oh_jessica/c6qx5wjIt was rejected, the only people who can reject it are Jessica or boxer being the owners. So they did know about it
Not if it was handled through the same account, then J could've easily rejected both at the same time. We don't know the details.
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This is why you should not make everything that went behind the scenes public in order to direct any blame away from you. Regardless of the outcome, Jessica is on the defensive all the time. She counterattacks here and there but it all just creates more confusion. In the end, it will take another month or two but then she will always be connected to this giant drama surrounding the disbanding of her team. I bet it would have been much better for her to not come out with anything of this, blame the bad team mood and motivational problems for the disbanding and the worst that could happen would be one of the ex players coming out in an interview with a harmless statement such as "not everything was good at Slayers"
Well done, Jessica
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I'm surprised Jessica hasn't sued Manager J or done anything with him other than outing him out.
In this entire situation, it seems Manager J has the least amount "damage" done to.
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so at the end...it's really simple...who is the winner after all this shit storm.
Federation - president resigned
Boxer - lost a team
Jessica - lost $ and team
MMA, Alicia, Crank - potential lawsuit
Manager J - who knows
Kespa - more ex-slayers player, boxer as SKT1 Coach, and people now lose faith in Federation
LoL - get puzzle and Coca
so...GO!
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On October 24 2012 14:54 storywriter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote:
Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight
@SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
Why would they delete it?
Is it not true?
:O
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On October 24 2012 14:54 storywriter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote:
Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight
@SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
WHAT
I think I give up trying to understand this now =/
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On October 24 2012 14:46 ImNightmare wrote:Doesn't this mean razor korea is lying? Wtf is going on?
Depends on the context of 'also'. It might mean that there was another personal sponsorship offer at the given time, or it might mean what most people want to believe in right now (that Jessica redirected the personal sponsorship).
We'll see how Chris Mitchell and Razor Korea works this out. Just give it time.
EDIT: HMM...
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On October 24 2012 14:56 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:46 ImNightmare wrote:Doesn't this mean razor korea is lying? Wtf is going on? Depends on the context of 'also'. It might mean that there was another personal sponsorship offer at the given time, or it might mean what most people want to believe in right now (that Jessica redirected the personal sponsorship). We'll see how Chris Mitchell and Razor Korea works this out. Just give it time.
Razer korea tweet has been deleted..
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the plot thickens for the 100th time
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On October 24 2012 14:52 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:49 Fyrewolf wrote:On October 24 2012 14:18 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 14:09 Fyrewolf wrote:
Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter. No, it's not irrelevant. Look at her original statement. In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on. This has now been directly contradicted, because she did in fact cut a personal sponsorship that was offered, according to Razer, and MMA did in fact have reason to be suspicious. The reasons why she rejected the sponsorship don't even matter, or if they are even talking about the same sponsorship. The drama is not about Jessica taking a sponsorship and forwarding it to Boxer; it is really about (and this is the broader umbrella) Jessica taking a sponsorship away from a player without informing that player. That being said, if Manager J was involved as an intermediary and a translator, it is entirely possible that he mistranslated and led Jessica to reject the offer. The paragraph just before that in the statement is what I was talking about, where the accusations of embezzling were made. + Show Spoiler +What I found was shocking. "J" had been telling me and the sponsors different things. While he was telling me that things were going along well in a certain way, he was actually not even in contact with the sponsors at all, or handling the negotiations so poorly that they broke down.
The more ridiculous thing was that he was telling the players that I was receiving sponsorships in their names, and embezzling those funds. For certain, SlayerS was being financially and hardware wise through Boxer's personal sponsorship. The players all knew that Boxer was running the team out of own funds, and I could not understand how they could believe what that manager had to say.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had cut off a personal sponsorship that had been offered. Razer Korea confirmed anyway that J didn't tell Jessica about it, which we probably could have already assumed since jessica said he was telling her and the sponsors different things. J really seems to have made a giant mess of things(along with, to a slightly lesser extent, everyone else). Chris mitchell's latest tweet denies that Jessica didn't know about it though. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/11zew4/mma_had_personal_sponsorship_offers_oh_jessica/c6qx5wjIt was rejected, the only people who can reject it are Jessica or boxer being the owners. So they did know about it
Why are you linking a reddit thread that says nothing about that as evidence? It says "I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell". That hasn't said anything about the razor korea tweet, who rejected it, or whether J actually told jessica about it.
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On October 24 2012 14:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
I'm surprised Jessica hasn't sued Manager J or done anything with him other than outing him out.
In this entire situation, it seems Manager J has the least amount "damage" done to.
He's the only person involved in this whole drama that has made no attempt to defend himself or explain his side of the story at all, which is sort of suspicious to me (at this point, who would hire him?) I'd really like to hear what he has to say, if anyone can find him...
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