On October 24 2012 15:32 m4inbrain wrote: Okay, this might sound stupid now, but who is this directed to?
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다 It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you (as in to protect him from something?).. then I will go check now.
As in, "you don't understand that im trying to hide something for ..?" .. Chris? Or who? I actually am confused a bit.
Base on context, it seems to be chris. Apparently she doesn't want him to be hurt emotionally by somethings? I learn that phrase in a drama. :D Good ole korean drama
Yeah thats what i thought, Chris. But that does not help me understanding this statement at all. Why would (or even could Oo) she protect him from something? I don't get this whole tweet, maybe because im tired.
Seems more like a make something look more important kind of thing, I notice korean actress and actors have this habit of over dramatizing stuff especially on variety shows. guess we need to wait until she can access her emails, if its Jessica she is going to reveal it if she has it
On October 24 2012 15:17 lilsusie wrote: KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 이것이 레이저사의 입장인지.. J매니져와 대화햇던 크리스의 입장인지 명확히 밝히세요 그럼 나도 준비를 할께요
Is this the perspective of Razer... or is it the opinion of Chris that Manager J has been talking to, please clarify. I will prepare.
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스..당신과 나는 새로운 스폰서쉅에 대해서 얘기하지 않고 J매니저와 얘기햇어요
Chris, you and I did not talk about a new sponsorship, you talked to Manager J
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다
It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you.. then I will go check now.
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More or less. Sorry for the rough translation.
Why is she always always so aggressive with her tweets....and why is she again ambiguously saying MMA did something wrong by saying she is trying to hide something from chris...
in which part is she being ambiguous? and you can't fault her for being aggressive, i'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused me for doing something I've never done. From the beginning, she provided all the facts and the other side only gave assumptions. Not an iota of evidence has been out that disproves her story
Jessica's been the aggressor since the beginning. Everyone else is playing defender. Funny you said you'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused you of doing something.
How do you think MMA, Crank, Ryung, Alicia, and MC feel at the moment?
Did anybody come up with any proof that disproved Jessica's statement? Jessica was the victim from the beginning basically MMA and Crank thought she was guilty of embezzling their funds and now she's just defending herself.
She started this entire shitstorm. Everyone else only spoke up to defend themselves after she ran a whirlwind of blog posts, tweets, and other shenanigans. Of the players that spoke up, they at least said their piece, owned up to what they said they did, and apologized.
Jessica has done none of the sort.
Of course she could've quietly gone away without saying anything, but why should you expect her to do that? that was her team and her whole team was ravaged by a shady manager and ESF's decision to isolate them. do you think J's or ESF's decision was right? what is wrong with telling the truth and exposing wrongs that were done to her team?
You forgot about her former slayer's players. So including them, plus ESF and manager J, it seems like its everyone's fault but her
On October 24 2012 15:17 lilsusie wrote: KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 이것이 레이저사의 입장인지.. J매니져와 대화햇던 크리스의 입장인지 명확히 밝히세요 그럼 나도 준비를 할께요
Is this the perspective of Razer... or is it the opinion of Chris that Manager J has been talking to, please clarify. I will prepare.
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스..당신과 나는 새로운 스폰서쉅에 대해서 얘기하지 않고 J매니저와 얘기햇어요
Chris, you and I did not talk about a new sponsorship, you talked to Manager J
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다
It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you.. then I will go check now.
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More or less. Sorry for the rough translation.
Why is she always always so aggressive with her tweets....and why is she again ambiguously saying MMA did something wrong by saying she is trying to hide something from chris...
in which part is she being ambiguous? and you can't fault her for being aggressive, i'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused me for doing something I've never done. From the beginning, she provided all the facts and the other side only gave assumptions. Not an iota of evidence has been out that disproves her story
Jessica's been the aggressor since the beginning. Everyone else is playing defender. Funny you said you'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused you of doing something.
How do you think MMA, Crank, Ryung, Alicia, and MC feel at the moment?
Im pretty confident that MC is eating his BBQ pork belly without giving any fxxx.
Or maybe hunting villains on the roofs of seoul, who stole some wallets.
Edit:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
On October 24 2012 15:17 lilsusie wrote: KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 이것이 레이저사의 입장인지.. J매니져와 대화햇던 크리스의 입장인지 명확히 밝히세요 그럼 나도 준비를 할께요
Is this the perspective of Razer... or is it the opinion of Chris that Manager J has been talking to, please clarify. I will prepare.
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스..당신과 나는 새로운 스폰서쉅에 대해서 얘기하지 않고 J매니저와 얘기햇어요
Chris, you and I did not talk about a new sponsorship, you talked to Manager J
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다
It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you.. then I will go check now.
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More or less. Sorry for the rough translation.
Why is she always always so aggressive with her tweets....and why is she again ambiguously saying MMA did something wrong by saying she is trying to hide something from chris...
in which part is she being ambiguous? and you can't fault her for being aggressive, i'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused me for doing something I've never done. From the beginning, she provided all the facts and the other side only gave assumptions. Not an iota of evidence has been out that disproves her story
Jessica's been the aggressor since the beginning. Everyone else is playing defender. Funny you said you'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused you of doing something.
How do you think MMA, Crank, Ryung, Alicia, and MC feel at the moment?
Im pretty confident that MC is eating his BBQ pork belly without giving any fxxx.
Or maybe hunting villains on the roofs of seoul, who stole some wallets.
On October 24 2012 15:17 lilsusie wrote: KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 이것이 레이저사의 입장인지.. J매니져와 대화햇던 크리스의 입장인지 명확히 밝히세요 그럼 나도 준비를 할께요
Is this the perspective of Razer... or is it the opinion of Chris that Manager J has been talking to, please clarify. I will prepare.
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스..당신과 나는 새로운 스폰서쉅에 대해서 얘기하지 않고 J매니저와 얘기햇어요
Chris, you and I did not talk about a new sponsorship, you talked to Manager J
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다
It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you.. then I will go check now.
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More or less. Sorry for the rough translation.
Why is she always always so aggressive with her tweets....and why is she again ambiguously saying MMA did something wrong by saying she is trying to hide something from chris...
in which part is she being ambiguous? and you can't fault her for being aggressive, i'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused me for doing something I've never done. From the beginning, she provided all the facts and the other side only gave assumptions. Not an iota of evidence has been out that disproves her story
Jessica's been the aggressor since the beginning. Everyone else is playing defender. Funny you said you'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused you of doing something.
How do you think MMA, Crank, Ryung, Alicia, and MC feel at the moment?
Did anybody come up with any proof that disproved Jessica's statement? Jessica was the victim from the beginning basically MMA and Crank thought she was guilty of embezzling their funds and now she's just defending herself.
She started this entire shitstorm. Everyone else only spoke up to defend themselves after she ran a whirlwind of blog posts, tweets, and other shenanigans. Of the players that spoke up, they at least said their piece, owned up to what they said they did, and apologized.
Jessica has done none of the sort.
Of course she could've quietly gone away without saying anything, but why should you expect her to do that? that was her team and her whole team was ravaged by a shady manager and ESF's decision to isolate them. do you think J's or ESF's decision was right? what is wrong with telling the truth and exposing wrongs that were done to her team?
You forgot about her former slayer's players. So including them, plus ESF and manager J, it seems like its everyone's fault but her
She could've managed her team better but that's not something that's legally or morally wrong. if you think Alicia deserved his ride at the airport then I guess that's another thing she should be ashamed of. Not the part about not congratulating Alicia though, twitter got Alicia with his pants down
no matter where MMA goes he is a true champion. Of Course of Boxer. I am a big time fan of Mvp (best player so far) but every time MMA meets Mvp, MMA seems slightly better. Its really sad day in Starcraft history for team, community, players, Legends like Boxer. May MMA find a team where he can enhance his skills even more. I am sure he will return like a King.
On October 24 2012 15:22 Waxangel wrote: btw whatever happened to this?
"Q: What about his assertion on hiding information on transfers?
A: I hid nothing. I search for teams because he wanted to move to a foreign team. A foreign team asked me how much it would cost to transfer MMA. So I simply stated his value.
I told this team how much it would be after combining their offer on salaries, various costs for taking care of MMA, and the money needed to be paid to me for his remaining contractual period. I actually said that it would be better for them to use this amount to acquire our team as a whole. But I never received any replies. The negotiation didn't fail, but rather I simply replied to their request and even suggested an acquisition."
doesn't that directly contradict her denial of blocking a foreign move by calling a big transfer fee?
On October 24 2012 15:49 TLsc3 wrote: no matter where MMA goes he is a true champion. Of Course of Boxer. I am a big time fan of Mvp (best player so far) but every time MMA meets Mvp, MMA seems slightly better. Its really sad day in Starcraft history for team, community, players, Legends like Boxer. May MMA find a team where he can enhance his skills even more. I am sure he will return like a King.
Boxer made MMA, without Boxer, he is nothing. Slayers was called Terran Academy for a reason. You look at Ganzi, Taeja, MMA, I cannot think of another team producing so many outstanding Terran players.
On October 24 2012 15:17 lilsusie wrote: KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 이것이 레이저사의 입장인지.. J매니져와 대화햇던 크리스의 입장인지 명확히 밝히세요 그럼 나도 준비를 할께요
Is this the perspective of Razer... or is it the opinion of Chris that Manager J has been talking to, please clarify. I will prepare.
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스..당신과 나는 새로운 스폰서쉅에 대해서 얘기하지 않고 J매니저와 얘기햇어요
Chris, you and I did not talk about a new sponsorship, you talked to Manager J
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다
It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you.. then I will go check now.
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More or less. Sorry for the rough translation.
Why is she always always so aggressive with her tweets....and why is she again ambiguously saying MMA did something wrong by saying she is trying to hide something from chris...
in which part is she being ambiguous? and you can't fault her for being aggressive, i'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused me for doing something I've never done. From the beginning, she provided all the facts and the other side only gave assumptions. Not an iota of evidence has been out that disproves her story
Jessica's been the aggressor since the beginning. Everyone else is playing defender. Funny you said you'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused you of doing something.
How do you think MMA, Crank, Ryung, Alicia, and MC feel at the moment?
Did anybody come up with any proof that disproved Jessica's statement? Jessica was the victim from the beginning basically MMA and Crank thought she was guilty of embezzling their funds and now she's just defending herself.
well, this quote seems to disprove one of Jessica's previous statements, and it was made by Jessica herself no less!
On October 24 2012 15:22 Waxangel wrote: btw whatever happened to this?
"Q: What about his assertion on hiding information on transfers?
A: I hid nothing. I search for teams because he wanted to move to a foreign team. A foreign team asked me how much it would cost to transfer MMA. So I simply stated his value.
I told this team how much it would be after combining their offer on salaries, various costs for taking care of MMA, and the money needed to be paid to me for his remaining contractual period. I actually said that it would be better for them to use this amount to acquire our team as a whole. But I never received any replies. The negotiation didn't fail, but rather I simply replied to their request and even suggested an acquisition."
doesn't that directly contradict her denial of blocking a foreign move by calling a big transfer fee?
Waxangel doesn't seem to be getting your attention with this, so I'll bring it up a 3rd time.
Posted on the other thread, if anyone interested on how "J" looks like.
On October 24 2012 15:04 Namunelbo wrote: Here's the infamous 'Manager J', also known as Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung, with MMA (translating) right after he won Bluzzard Cup being interviewed by Rachel for CyberSportsNetwrok.
And this, just an assumption without much evidence.
On October 24 2012 15:38 Namunelbo wrote: Has this 'mysterious J' left the scene ever since Jessica kicked him out of the team or has he been watching closely from the shadows?
Jessica mentioned abruptly back then (before this drama) on how the Slayers social media accounts (twitter and facebook) were not associated with the team anymore, due to reasons she couldn't reveal. But we all know as of now that those accounts were managed by "J". Were the accounts given back to the team? or was "J" still in hold of those accounts? I doubt the accounts were reclaimed back by the team, if I recall correctly, sometime later after the disassociation with the accounts Jessica mentioned how from there onwards her own Twitter will be used as the team's official account.
Since then, there wasn't much activity in those accounts until early this month (October), when the non-official twitter became active again, and this time sparked the early rumors about Slayers disbanding http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373628 .
On October 24 2012 15:22 Waxangel wrote: btw whatever happened to this?
"Q: What about his assertion on hiding information on transfers?
A: I hid nothing. I search for teams because he wanted to move to a foreign team. A foreign team asked me how much it would cost to transfer MMA. So I simply stated his value.
I told this team how much it would be after combining their offer on salaries, various costs for taking care of MMA, and the money needed to be paid to me for his remaining contractual period. I actually said that it would be better for them to use this amount to acquire our team as a whole. But I never received any replies. The negotiation didn't fail, but rather I simply replied to their request and even suggested an acquisition."
doesn't that directly contradict her denial of blocking a foreign move by calling a big transfer fee?
It's doesn't have to be a contradiction if she thinks the transfer fee is not too big and is warranted for such a player. I'm not going to say I condone it or anything, but to say it's a contradiction is a bit off.
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He said in his interview that other players went to him telling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I love Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him?
On October 24 2012 15:53 Popkiller wrote: ah shit it was right there in front of us... all she had to say was J had access to her email. She's good.
I believe you mean Chris said that she said.
he actually didn't say she said anything about who had access to her email.
Actually he just did.... he replied to my tweet... but anyway, did jessica say this herself just now? i did not see any update on her twitter. Just asking.
On October 24 2012 15:17 lilsusie wrote: KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 이것이 레이저사의 입장인지.. J매니져와 대화햇던 크리스의 입장인지 명확히 밝히세요 그럼 나도 준비를 할께요
Is this the perspective of Razer... or is it the opinion of Chris that Manager J has been talking to, please clarify. I will prepare.
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스..당신과 나는 새로운 스폰서쉅에 대해서 얘기하지 않고 J매니저와 얘기햇어요
Chris, you and I did not talk about a new sponsorship, you talked to Manager J
1h KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다
It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you.. then I will go check now.
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More or less. Sorry for the rough translation.
Why is she always always so aggressive with her tweets....and why is she again ambiguously saying MMA did something wrong by saying she is trying to hide something from chris...
in which part is she being ambiguous? and you can't fault her for being aggressive, i'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused me for doing something I've never done. From the beginning, she provided all the facts and the other side only gave assumptions. Not an iota of evidence has been out that disproves her story
Jessica's been the aggressor since the beginning. Everyone else is playing defender. Funny you said you'd go bat shit crazy if someone accused you of doing something.
How do you think MMA, Crank, Ryung, Alicia, and MC feel at the moment?
Did anybody come up with any proof that disproved Jessica's statement? Jessica was the victim from the beginning basically MMA and Crank thought she was guilty of embezzling their funds and now she's just defending herself.
well, this quote seems to disprove one of Jessica's previous statements, and it was made by Jessica herself no less!
On October 24 2012 15:22 Waxangel wrote: btw whatever happened to this?
"Q: What about his assertion on hiding information on transfers?
A: I hid nothing. I search for teams because he wanted to move to a foreign team. A foreign team asked me how much it would cost to transfer MMA. So I simply stated his value.
I told this team how much it would be after combining their offer on salaries, various costs for taking care of MMA, and the money needed to be paid to me for his remaining contractual period. I actually said that it would be better for them to use this amount to acquire our team as a whole. But I never received any replies. The negotiation didn't fail, but rather I simply replied to their request and even suggested an acquisition."
doesn't that directly contradict her denial of blocking a foreign move by calling a big transfer fee?
Waxangel doesn't seem to be getting your attention with this, so I'll bring it up a 3rd time.
She's not gonna release him for nothing, so the question is the price that Jessica asked for reasonable? its not like she said they have to pay her $100000000000000 in order to get him. she stated the fair market value
On October 24 2012 15:49 TLsc3 wrote: no matter where MMA goes he is a true champion. Of Course of Boxer. I am a big time fan of Mvp (best player so far) but every time MMA meets Mvp, MMA seems slightly better. Its really sad day in Starcraft history for team, community, players, Legends like Boxer. May MMA find a team where he can enhance his skills even more. I am sure he will return like a King.
Boxer made MMA, without Boxer, he is nothing. Slayers was called Terran Academy for a reason. You look at Ganzi, Taeja, MMA, I cannot think of another team producing so many outstanding Terran players.
I really hate Taeja being brought into points like this. SlayerS did not produce Taeja, lol. They barely knew Taeja existed. He didn't stay at the teamhouse (no room), didn't practice with his team (mostly practiced with others online), and Boxer even said, "I didn't know how good he is," when Taeja got him into Code S.
EPT
