Today there has been a broadcast of 'De Wereld Draait Door' (The world keeps on turning). A dutch talkshow and this time they featured Starcraft 2 and how it's broadcasted in barcrafts. They talked about how it's similar to people watching football in a bar.
They show LiquidHuk winning from Moon in Dreamhack and they let Ret play a little match vs Harstem, which they cast. (which is terrible, because it's in dutch and all the units names are still in english)
It's interesting to see our passion become more and more mainstream ! But don't forget to mention, the main point of interest of the redaction was the increasing appearence of BarCrafts!
When looking at it, I realized that we are very far from going mainstream. Specifically the casted game. How is anyone going to know what is going on when they have no clue what protoss is and what zerg is? When they don't know what GG means.
Well, they should've let them explain a bit about the game itself instead of the barcraft items and stuff. But still, I agree that this isn't a subject for like roughly 10 minutes, but for 30 minutes or something.
Was nice though, watched it with my parents, they now have a better view on why I try to explain to them why I want to stay up to watch a bit of MLG :D
On October 19 2012 03:17 Glowbox wrote: I don't think I've ever seen such negative twitter reactions to an item in DWDD. The huk moment was nice though.
Do you have some examples?
I thought it was well done for ten minutes of air time.
On October 19 2012 03:19 Roybs wrote: Well, they should've let them explain a bit about the game itself instead of the barcraft items and stuff. But still, I agree that this isn't a subject for like roughly 10 minutes, but for 30 minutes or something.
Was nice though, watched it with my parents, they now have a better view on why I try to explain to them why I want to stay up to watch a bit of MLG :D
Barcrafts seem like a good subject because everyone understands drinking in a bar to watch sports.
well, i think explaining about the game makes it yust to unapealing for their broad audince, since the people who watch it aren't one group of people, its like the family thing to watch.
it would make only sense to show the thing people do with it instead of the game
On October 19 2012 03:17 Glowbox wrote: I don't think I've ever seen such negative twitter reactions to an item in DWDD. The huk moment was nice though.
Do you have some examples?
I thought it was well done for ten minutes of air time.
On October 19 2012 03:19 Roybs wrote: Well, they should've let them explain a bit about the game itself instead of the barcraft items and stuff. But still, I agree that this isn't a subject for like roughly 10 minutes, but for 30 minutes or something.
Was nice though, watched it with my parents, they now have a better view on why I try to explain to them why I want to stay up to watch a bit of MLG :D
Barcrafts seem like a good subject because everyone understands drinking in a bar to watch sports.
Yeah I understand why they did it about barcrafts, but as the lady said; I don't know what's going on now. I agree they did a great job at explaining SC2 to the best of their time limit.
On October 19 2012 03:17 Glowbox wrote: I don't think I've ever seen such negative twitter reactions to an item in DWDD. The huk moment was nice though.
Do you have some examples?
I thought it was well done for ten minutes of air time.
On October 19 2012 03:19 Roybs wrote: Well, they should've let them explain a bit about the game itself instead of the barcraft items and stuff. But still, I agree that this isn't a subject for like roughly 10 minutes, but for 30 minutes or something.
Was nice though, watched it with my parents, they now have a better view on why I try to explain to them why I want to stay up to watch a bit of MLG :D
Barcrafts seem like a good subject because everyone understands drinking in a bar to watch sports.
The problem in this broadcast however was the 'grand finale', the game itself, was lacking.
The three persons over there (of whom I'd like to know their nicknames) continuously spoke of the ruleset and basics you need to know you can understand what is actually happening in the game. Afterwards, the show proceeds to throw is in the middle of a game, in which the 'unexperienced' audience had NO IDEA what the HELL is going on, just to hear some sounds, see purply things gobble up golden dudes and that's it. No explanation, because they took like 10 seconds to let the caster explain the entire game/scenario/matchup/situation.
Poor planning/execution on DWDD's part, probably killing one of the chances of SC2 growing bigger by giving a terrible representation of what it is actually all about - the game itself.
Also, broodlord infestor vs Stalker/Collosus would be way more interesting to watch from a viewers POV than some forcefields and a 1a with roaches.
On October 19 2012 03:17 Glowbox wrote: I don't think I've ever seen such negative twitter reactions to an item in DWDD. The huk moment was nice though.
I only saw like 4 negative tweets, no possitive tweets tho. But thats expected. Hopefully it opened some eyes in Holland, to all the narrow minded people =)
Finally some possitive attention for Gaming. Normally it's only negative bullshit, and people talking about the subject who got no idea what they're talking about.
Glad i could show this to my friends and parents. No they know whats it's all about
On October 19 2012 03:17 Glowbox wrote: I don't think I've ever seen such negative twitter reactions to an item in DWDD. The huk moment was nice though.
Do you have some examples?
I thought it was well done for ten minutes of air time.
On October 19 2012 03:19 Roybs wrote: Well, they should've let them explain a bit about the game itself instead of the barcraft items and stuff. But still, I agree that this isn't a subject for like roughly 10 minutes, but for 30 minutes or something.
Was nice though, watched it with my parents, they now have a better view on why I try to explain to them why I want to stay up to watch a bit of MLG :D
Barcrafts seem like a good subject because everyone understands drinking in a bar to watch sports.
There were a few, but not alot, negative tweets about stereotype gamers, which is to be expected when you show e-sports in a mainstream tv show. Nothing to shocking imo.
On October 19 2012 03:17 Glowbox wrote: I don't think I've ever seen such negative twitter reactions to an item in DWDD. The huk moment was nice though.
Do you have some examples?
I thought it was well done for ten minutes of air time.
On October 19 2012 03:19 Roybs wrote: Well, they should've let them explain a bit about the game itself instead of the barcraft items and stuff. But still, I agree that this isn't a subject for like roughly 10 minutes, but for 30 minutes or something.
Was nice though, watched it with my parents, they now have a better view on why I try to explain to them why I want to stay up to watch a bit of MLG :D
Barcrafts seem like a good subject because everyone understands drinking in a bar to watch sports.
I agree they did a great job at explaining SC2 to the best of their time limit.
I found 3 negative tweets about SC2 on Twitter. Translated:
- Nerd thinking normal people actually care for their nerdy stuff
- It's just like a soccermatch, just with a lot of inhalers and acne
- Of last 15 minutes of DWDD I understood exactly one sentence: 'What is actually happening now'? (coming back to my complaints of the game not actually being shown)
So. Well. 2 stereotype morons and a true complaint.
I don't think the negative tweets are a surprise. Have you seen the comments on a gamespot esports story? It's just as bad and that's gamers hating on other gamers, so hate for gamers from general public isn't shocking.
Translated: 'Tomorrow we will watch how a plant grows... as it will be more exciting than this starcraft 2 stuff at DWDD'
All in all it was a nice item, it's a shame Ret and Harstem didn't get to say anything though. And I think they focused a bit too much on how it is big in Korea, even though SC2 is quite big in other countries like US and Sweden.
It was also pretty funny that they told people to follow @liquidret in dutch.
On October 19 2012 03:36 SC2ToastieNL wrote: I found 3 negative tweets about SC2 on Twitter. Translated:
- Nerd thinking normal people actually care for their nerdy stuff
- It's just like a soccermatch, just with a lot of inhalers and acne
- Of last 15 minutes of DWDD I understood exactly one sentence: 'What is actually happening now'? (coming back to my complaints of the game not actually being shown)
So. Well. 2 stereotype morons and a true complaint.
Those first 2 tweets kind of pissed me off. The moment we say something bad about their interest, then they will probably rage hard.
On October 19 2012 03:17 Glowbox wrote: I don't think I've ever seen such negative twitter reactions to an item in DWDD. The huk moment was nice though.
Do you have some examples?
I just checked the tweets for #dwdd (not just top tweets, click 'All') during the actual broadcast. Most can be summarized as 'nerds #dwdd'. See https://twitter.com/search?q=#dwdd nerds&src=typd for a few of those reactions.
I guess there's always gonna be people complaining or being close minded. Some people were surprisingly positive. As a Starcraft fan I might've taken the negative comments a little too personal.
Well it wasn't bad, it's difficult to explain anything which is complex and pretty big in like 10 minutes. The only thing i wouldn't had done was that little show match between Ret and Harstem, that didn't really work. IMO it would have been better to show some more footage from a big event.
The Huk video part.... not bad but the quality was not really good. I would have chosen Thorzain winning DH Stockholm.
Oh and Harstem looked sharp, Ret on the other hand not so much.
On October 19 2012 03:57 Drorctopus wrote: btw I never knew we had so much closeminded people.
when it comes to drugs, sex, religion and sexual prefferences we are very open-minded.. But about Games and E-sports, holland has allways been behind, compared to other European country's like Germany and France.
On October 19 2012 03:57 Drorctopus wrote: btw I never knew we had so much closeminded people.
when it comes to drugs, sex, religion and sexual prefferences we are very open-minded.. But about Games and E-sports, holland has allways been behind, compared to other European country's like Germany and France.
Yeah we mostly have a bunch of people who play fifa or call of duty :/
On October 19 2012 03:57 Drorctopus wrote: btw I never knew we had so much closeminded people.
when it comes to drugs, sex, religion and sexual prefferences we are very open-minded.. But about Games and E-sports, holland has allways been behind, compared to other European country's like Germany and France.
Yeah we mostly have a bunch of people who play fifa or call of duty :/
I still don't get how they buy Fifa/COD every year while it is almost the same as the year before....
People, please don't feel negative about dutch guys that don't want to understand it. The people that watch TV don't actually care for much other than stuff that entertains them.
The fact that someone litterally had to explain a whole game in less than 30 seconds to people that don't even know anything about RTSes says enough about how much of a success it was going to be. Explaining the game is hard enough as it is when you watch through a whole game. Explaining it from the ground up while an immortal sentry all in is in the middle of a battle with a huge roach ling surround is pretty much impossible.
The demographic that watches 'De wereld draait door' is not the one we would want to focus our attention on ._.
really cool and really well done. They really learned from the grubby interview. A ton of action, fun guys explaining, passion all over the place and generally awesome DWDDness.
I thought it was a pretty good show. The focus was primarily on the parallels between regular sports and esports, that things like BarCraft aren't really much different from watching football in a bar. The live game fragment between Ret and Harstem was a bit chaotic, but the audience was dumped right in the middle of a failed Immortal/Sentry all-in and there was action going on while the caster was trying to explain SC2 basics (which are kinda essential). Would've been better if the game segment would've been a bit longer, starting with a more passive phase in which basics (different races, units having strengths and weaknesses, allin vs eco play, etc...) could be touched on.
The caster is VanCaspel on TL. He organized a SC2 tournament for Nijmegen Students and is now leading the organization of the upcoming Dutch SC2 League.
On October 19 2012 05:12 Deckkie wrote: The guys did a really really good job in my opinion. I cant stress enough how impressed I was with those ten minutes.
Yeah I felt the same, it takes some eloquence to explain it like they did. Minimal use of game terms and easy to understand explanations. Frankly people still did not seem to care, it's just how it is I guess. A bunch of dudes running after a ball is less chaotic than watching animations do odd things on a computer screen.
On October 19 2012 03:17 Glowbox wrote: I don't think I've ever seen such negative twitter reactions to an item in DWDD. The huk moment was nice though.
Do you have some examples?
I just checked the tweets for #dwdd (not just top tweets, click 'All') during the actual broadcast. Most can be summarized as 'nerds #dwdd'. See https://twitter.com/search?q=#dwdd nerds&src=typd for a few of those reactions.
I guess there's always gonna be people complaining or being close minded. Some people were surprisingly positive. As a Starcraft fan I might've taken the negative comments a little too personal.
For the time that was given I thought it was a really good segment, I'm afraid tough, the people interested in it already know all about it... hope I'm wrong tough =)
I'm Niels (BloodyNiles) and you all probably never heard of me, but I was the guy on the show yesterday portrayed as 'the starcraft fan' - which I am ofcourse! Although I'm not that good at StarCraft (I'm a silver league protoss player) I love to watch it!
Alexander (the guy who did the introductory talk) is a friend of mine and a regular guest on the show, talking about the new things in new media. A couple of weeks ago I said to him that he should do something with StarCraft and he said he'd keep it in mind. So yesterday morning I got a call from someone on the show saying Alexander gave them my number and if I could help them make this item happen.
I think it went well! There were some negative reactions on twitter, but there were also a lot of postive reactions! So thank you all so much for that!
Oh Ret, again: thanks so much for doing this! I hope there will be a next time so you can say something as well. Good luck in Bucharest!
On October 19 2012 21:01 Niles wrote: Thanks for all the positive reactions!
I'm Niels (BloodyNiles) and you all probably never heard of me, but I was the guy on the show yesterday portrayed as 'the starcraft fan' - which I am ofcourse! Although I'm not that good at StarCraft (I'm a silver league protoss player) I love to watch it!
Alexander (the guy who did the introductory talk) is a friend of mine and a regular guest on the show, talking about the new things in new media. A couple of weeks ago I said to him that he should do something with StarCraft and he said he'd keep it in mind. So yesterday morning I got a call from someone on the show saying Alexander gave them my number and if I could help them make this item happen.
I think it went well! There were some negative reactions on twitter, but there were also a lot of postive reactions! So thank you all so much for that!
Oh Ret, again: thanks so much for doing this! I hope there will be a next time so you can say something as well. Good luck in Bucharest!
I'd say good job in general, getting the topic on national TV. Got a quick call from my parents that this was on Dutch TV, so that was fun!
Got to see it myself this morning, and I'd still say good job!
However, it seemed like you guys might not have been knowledgeable enough on the topic to present it (still, with your enthusiasm and all it was still "good for esports").
The other problem (if I may call it so) was that they tried to fit in too much stuff in the little time that was available. The quick glance at in game action just wasn't worth it in the end, especially when jumping in in the middle of a game.
On October 19 2012 21:01 Niles wrote: Thanks for all the positive reactions!
I'm Niels (BloodyNiles) and you all probably never heard of me, but I was the guy on the show yesterday portrayed as 'the starcraft fan' - which I am ofcourse! Although I'm not that good at StarCraft (I'm a silver league protoss player) I love to watch it!
Alexander (the guy who did the introductory talk) is a friend of mine and a regular guest on the show, talking about the new things in new media. A couple of weeks ago I said to him that he should do something with StarCraft and he said he'd keep it in mind. So yesterday morning I got a call from someone on the show saying Alexander gave them my number and if I could help them make this item happen.
I think it went well! There were some negative reactions on twitter, but there were also a lot of postive reactions! So thank you all so much for that!
Oh Ret, again: thanks so much for doing this! I hope there will be a next time so you can say something as well. Good luck in Bucharest!
Thank you, great job
I have yet to watch it (on youtube when/if it appears. dumb silverlight on uitzending gemist -_-)
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