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On October 18 2012 00:26 nihlon wrote: Even if this is just one side of the story you can safely say there's been a lot of shitty things happening in the team (and the korean scene in general).
That's why you need a organization like Kespa.
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Jessica certainly bears a huge brunt of responsibility for causing all these things happening, but when the situation gets as chaotic as she described, nothing is really clear on who's at "fault".
I never found it right to think that not everybody's perfect, except that the person in the middle has to be.
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Both sides were obviously wrong here. But Jessica is a grown woman and Boxer a grown man. They should be able to handle the kids.
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On October 18 2012 00:30 Tommie wrote: Both sides were obviously wrong here. But Jessica is a grown woman and Boxer a grown man. They should be able to handle the kids. Slayers is comprised of mostly adult players, not children. Adults who can sign contracts.
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On October 18 2012 00:20 ramask2 wrote: I've been patient on Jessica before, but no more... I would take anything she says with a very big grain of salt. She's literally a soap actress.
Just think about it. All her problems are about players having problems with HER. How she felt "betrayed". No matter the excuses and accusations she gave, that points to her being a disastrous team manager. Her playing the victim here is honestly quite embarassing.
And what kind of "loving mother" that she paints herself to be defame all her children like this post? Its just shameless as hell. If you're a professional adult, just disband the team and shut up. This drama is all for her own ego.
My advice? Wait for the accused player's responses to her argument.
After all the shitstorm and speculation from starcraft 2 community? I really respect her for keeping it all for herself to this point. BTW why would she shut up and move on? If there were morons who tried to hurt the integrity of the team, she is in every right to reveal it.
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On October 18 2012 00:28 Otolia wrote: Jessica's book on how to handle players :
1. If any problem or complain with/from a player should arise, send that player home. 2. Do not contact him about his future and wait until he come back to pick up his bag to demote him or expulse him. 3. Complain publicly that you were their mom and you would have done everything for them, except listen. 4. Fail utterly.
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haha
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On October 18 2012 00:17 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 00:15 justalex wrote: Everyone talks about MMA going to IM, but that's not the obvious target that IM should go for. IM has incredible players, but has never been able to pull it together in a team league. Assuming he still wants to coach, they should target Cella with a dump truck full of cash. Have you not been watching the current GSTL? Team Yonghwa?
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Oh god. My jaw dropped and I actually teared up...this is huge; too sad...T____T
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Poor Jessica and Boxer. I can't say I ever really liked her, she seemed like a drama queen. But the players mistreated her completely, I don't mistrust this story.
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Man so much drama! Reading what Jessica said, it seems like there was a lack of professionalism there - that the running of the team needed to be more transparent. How else could a new manager convince the team that there was embezzling? It feels like there was a huge lack of communication and education going both ways. Terrible situation.
Sad for the team, especially the players going to LOL.
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On October 18 2012 00:31 kisoso wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 00:17 S_SienZ wrote:On October 18 2012 00:15 justalex wrote: Everyone talks about MMA going to IM, but that's not the obvious target that IM should go for. IM has incredible players, but has never been able to pull it together in a team league. Assuming he still wants to coach, they should target Cella with a dump truck full of cash. Have you not been watching the current GSTL? Team Yonghwa?
Yonghwa got 2 frigging all-kills in GSTL and is also representing WCG for Korea.
And most impressive of all this guy is still Code B.=X
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Last one:
- A contract on the five players are over in November. I swear that I have met all obligations and if I hadn't they would have left the team freely. The team did not breach a single thing and we didn't receive anything a penny from any players. - Even allocated money for BoxeR was never taken, it was either shared by the players or invested back into the team. As far as I know, Alicia already found a foreign team but he hadn't told me anything so can't tell whether it's true. I just hope that he doesn't do anything like what he did in that team. - Normally sponsors are needed to operate a team smoothly. Even if we do not have a sponsor it's not a problem at all for me to invest into the team. There were many very good offers but they are all gone because of one selfish player. - I heard this recently, but there is a rumour going around saying that we receive money from players and that's what the team operates on. Externally, everyone believes that BoxeR spends his personal money to run the team. But I believe that rumour was believed by many people as false information from an insider. From what I am gathering, I think he spread the rumour to harm the team and me, to get out of the team. - Many federation teams actually received money from players and operated on that. Even after the federation reformed the rules to ban that, they still received money using another bank account under a different name. They won't be doing that since they are sponsored. - Teams need sponsors to operate. I have already poured so much. Spent a few hundreds millions already. I didn't start to make money but I, at least, wanted to draw a picture where everyone was happy which I am disappointed about. I operated the team because of the remaining players, it is true that we are not performing well. But there are still SlayerS fans who supported us so I couldn't disband easily. Performance issues can happen because of lack of players to put into GSTL entries, and situations kept changing. But it's time to make a decision. - I thought it was an absurd idea. But when I started I wanted to create an amazing team with BoxeR at the front. There is no BoxeR or players, even in this situation I am going to be like a mother figure who can look after remaining players. I hope my players don't do something that will turn down my faith.
Rumours about players who already transferred. - There were no problems at all when GanZi, Teaja, Golden and Sleep left the team. Taeja requested his transfer so I accepted. He wanted to move to a different team and continue playing and that's when TeamLiquid made an offer. I am really happy and proud that he is doing well every time I watch his games. He is not a player who tries hard to practise alot. Considering his performance if MMA is a practising machine then Taeja is really a genius style. If he is trained under a right regime, I think he can be the best player. Final words - Revealing all detailed facts was the only way to remove assumptions and rumours about remaining players in the team. I have not heard any of the story I mentioned from a third party but a person/party himself. I have no idea how people will react to what I said. Will I find out more truth that I was not aware of or will I hear a totally different story. - My conclusion is no matter who is right or right, bullying should not happen ever agame. One player from the federation team called Sleep, '슬레기 (SlayerS rubbish), just for staying in the house. If players can bully yea they can swear but considering the federation carried out manner lessons but themselves instructing their plyers to bully others? They need to think about how their hypocrite behaviours can affect young players. - I could have just taken this as nothing happened. I have considered it for a long time. The federation says that I have no partnership elements. So have they behaved in such ways because we weren't partners? Power is what any federation must have to operate efficiently. But people who run the federation did not show the right mind set and abused the power. - If they want e-sports to grow, rather than creating restrictions, they need to create a better space and environment for players. But it seems to me that what they are doing is making their behaviours look flash but only cared about maintaining their position. That's why I won't join the federation unless they are replaced with people who can be trusted. - The reason why I am saying everything is, I do not want to hear a ridiculous claim like 'Now I understand why SlayerS didn't join the federation'. Fans who wondered about why we didn't join, the stories are the definite reason. - This rant is not about how the team was unfairly treated. People will forget about SlayerS as we disappear but players need to live in their area. If rumours and bad nametags are following them,I wanted to clear out all that for them. - This could be a fight that won't benefit anyone. But I had not lied at all. If they didn't tell my the truth, I hope you reveal them now.
Okay, all finished. Full entire super translation at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041¤tpage=8#156
And thanks @kyungjunim for translating!
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On October 18 2012 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 00:20 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 00:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 18 2012 00:12 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 00:11 GARO wrote: This is what destroyed Boxer's passion? Disgusting drama?
Guess so. Its understandable though. "I'm getting too old for this shit" is more like it. I wouldn't be surprised if he's starting to get burned out. Like someone who's been teaching for 30 years and still has to worry about his students acting like immature, whiny babies. I actually dont believe its something like "im getting too old for this shit". Boxer (to me) is not the kind of man to tell someone to fuck off for his own sake. Cant really explain what i mean, but i seriously believe that Boxer takes that stuff more seriously than we do, up to a point leading to depression. He put in 100k of his own money (as i read here), so no, hes not getting too old for this shit. And he's not leaving the scene either (moving back to SKT T1), so I don't mean that he's going to retire. But I think he's shocked and dismayed (and appropriately so) that these newer players and newly successful players are so disrespectful towards him and others who have put in countless hours to make the scene blossom, considering he's going back to his old team to try and rediscover his passion. He's probably been hanging around Tasteless too long. I feel bad for boxer. Took him a decade to reach his stardom and these new kids come in, get their stardom gifted to them on a gold plate and then become ungrateful brats. I don't think Jessica is over reacting I just think its a generation gap with different mentality and work ethics.
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Didn't finish reading. Hope there will be a statement released from someone else than Jessica in time, so we can get an unbiased view. It is written very black and white. With so many problems it is hard to imagine that she has done absolutely nothing wrong.
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Jessica just tweeted something, we need translation on that and MC's tweets right the fuck now. Give me more drama!
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On October 18 2012 00:18 Tobberoth wrote: Sounds to me like the Slayers kids are just really immature and can't handle the pressure of being a progamer the same way boxer and all the other BW legends did. They just want to relax with LoL and have no intention of becoming the best they can.
I can see the charm in that, getting money for playing a videogame is sweet, especially when you don't have to work as hard as people expect of you, but it makes it hard to feel sympathy for them.
Too much glamor too easily. BoxeR made the perfect ideal environment, for kids who won't ever know why it was so special. Feel so sad for BoxeR and Jessica...
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at least we can turn to our Kespa overlords to save this dying game
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On October 18 2012 00:28 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 00:26 nihlon wrote: Even if this is just one side of the story you can safely say there's been a lot of shitty things happening in the team (and the korean scene in general). That's why you need a organization like Kespa.
People trash KeSPA constantly, but the truth is those big companies will only commit when they have absolute control over the team and players. KeSPA is owner's committee, owners get control over the entire league through KeSPA. People can criticize those shitty things KeSPA did, but bottom line is they are owners, they invested millions of dollars, they build the scene so professional, just like those professional leagues in US.
GSL teams usually don't have owners, they are just clans, constantly searching for sponsors, not owners. That's a problem in the long run.
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On October 18 2012 00:17 SirElton wrote: The saddest thing is that we'll never ever get SlayerS-Shirts....=( This is what upsets me most of all.
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