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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
On October 13 2012 11:41 Fyodor wrote: Sean Avery got banned from his team for insulting another player's girlfriend. (The "sloppy seconds" incident) If you know anything about Sean Avery you would know that comment was only the straw that broke the camels back. | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On October 13 2012 11:39 Beavo wrote: Joking (No one knows for sure if it was a joke or not we are all assuming it was) about raping a 14 year old. Except he didn't say rape. | ||
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McBrungus
United States265 Posts
On October 13 2012 11:38 Fyodor wrote: Maybe Creator.prime or ST_Life can give him a lesson or two on not being a huge sleazebag/nuisance to your team. They could also give him a lesson on not being interesting outside of their games. I like foreigners in Starcraft 2 because they have actual personality even if it's not always the most mature stuff in the world. I like IdrA for his non-stop attitude, Stephano is fun because of his swagger, NonY is someone you root for despite their troubles and there are countless other examples of foreigners being more interesting as eSports personalities. Also, huge sleazebag? The dude made a tasteless joke. It wasn't funny, but I remember being 19 and how much of a little shit I was. Cut the kid some slack and get down off your high horse. | ||
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creamyturtle
United States487 Posts
2. the apology was fake 3. stephano is the new bad boy of esports | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
Yes, I second that. Seriously, half the shit that's in the "news" these days are stories of a similar nature. | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
On October 13 2012 11:41 DoubleZee wrote: That's less money than Escobar got fined, without the suspension. Plus 50k to Kobe is like a parking ticket to your average middle class person. Being suspended for a month without pay is very harsh. Not disputing that in the least. More trying to emphasize the point that the organization is well within its rights to exact some form of punishment that it deems fit. Some folks are having an unbelievably hard time of understanding this, thats all. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On October 13 2012 11:42 dynwar7 wrote: Now everyone knows what Stephano is really like...he is typical though, nice and polite and humble before joining a big team. Once he joins a huge team like EG, he forgot all those values and we can all see his true self. Typical He was polite and humble? | ||
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Escape
Canada306 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On October 13 2012 11:42 DoubleZee wrote: If you know anything about Sean Avery you would know that comment was only the straw that broke the camels back. Sure but we're also talking about Stephano here. His bad reputation isn't helping him either. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
Steph loses $8k of his salary and loses opportunities to win more money in tournaments this month. But even losing $8k, that "drags" his salary down to $88,000. So his livelihood is pretty much unaffected. Also consider the shittons of money he's won already. What this DOES do, since there is no arbitrator in esports, is set precedence over the scene, that even the most popular and accomplished foreigner is not untouchable when dollars are on the line. | ||
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
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twomong3r
United States36 Posts
On October 13 2012 11:20 revel8 wrote: The thing is, there is a section on Reddit called srs who orchestrated this campaign to email Stephano's sponsors on this issue. One of their stated reasons for this was because they did not like some of the comments in r/starcraft on this issue and wanted to 'punish' the SC2 community. So some of this sponsor contact is motivated by malice towards the SC2 community because they do not like SC2 or the SC2 community on reddit. Some of their actions are not because they were actually offended by Stephano's comments but because they did not like some of the comments about the issue on r/starcraft. It would be like if they read a post they did not like on TL and then decided to try and harm SC2 because of it. It is just spiteful. They are doing this not to punish Stephano but to punish the SC2 community because they don't like it, which is just malicious. Wasn't this the same section of reddit that emailed Destiny's sponsors and got him fired from his team after that whole nude pics scandal began? I don't even like Destiny, but the actions of this reddit community are just absurd. Emailing sponsors goes FAR beyond any rational response. They can ONLY be acting maliciously with the only intent being to "punish" the SC2 community. The sponsors must get these angry emails and believe that they are the product of genuine outrage, not seeing them as the malicious lies they actually are. Emailing sponsors and perpetuating the image of gamers as "misogynist losers" really sets back the SC2 community as a whole and completely destroys any sponsor relationship the team had spent so long cultivating. The fact that stephano and EG got targeted this time shows that the entire SC2 community is vulnerable. Stephano is one of the most marketable players and EG is one of the best teams at building relationships with sponsors. If a lesser player were targeted, he would be fired and his career possibly over. | ||
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TJ31
630 Posts
I mean, yeah, we've got a formal apology, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't really care. And I actually would like if he would quit EG, this team won't give him anything ( except money of course ) at best and at worst he will become another pro who doesn't even play on 99% of tournaments, like the rest of EG. P.S. Yes, I actually decided to finally register for that post. >.> | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On October 13 2012 08:52 Medrea wrote: You can debatably joke about rape, you can joke about children. You can't joke about raping children. If it was even a joke, which is not really believable, given the words that were said and the context they were put in. Honestly, this isn't the last we will hear about this. You don't know the context. | ||
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Tgaud
France16 Posts
They want to be stupid, lets be stupid too. As they think in term of images, Maybe when their OWN community (and not just an outside-complaining-comunity of feminist that don't even know what a video game is) will boycott them, they'll think twice. | ||
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
On October 13 2012 11:44 BoZiffer wrote: Not disputing that in the least. More trying to emphasize the point that the organization is well within its rights to exact some form of punishment that it deems fit. Some folks are having an unbelievably hard time of understanding this, thats all. Good point. I completely understand that. In Escobar's case it wasn't even the league that suspended him, the organization had to suspend him themselves. Unfortunately for Stephano the sponsors of EG have a ton of influence due to the small niche/growing nature of e-sports, so EG had to come down hard on him to appease the corporate suits giving them shit. | ||
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syroz
France249 Posts
That is fucking unbielivable, its was an inside joke. Americans are so self-righteous. Stephano come back to millenium quick, before losing faith in e-sport and youre fighting spirit. | ||
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Falconblade
United States1035 Posts
On October 13 2012 11:41 Parcelleus wrote: EG = facelpalm, nothing changed there. Stephano can beat all of EG with 1 -hand. And he has a sense of humour. Stephano doesnt need EG, EG better be careful. I bet he is considering other offers, EG acting like morons - as usual. LOL, EG shouldn't care. They have money, they have popularity. Stephano would be the one losing a huge salary. | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
On October 13 2012 11:46 MountainDewJunkie wrote: The Kobe thing is a good thing to bring up. $50k sounds like a lot, but he gets paid $27million per season, so that's basically a slap on the wrist. That's a whole 0.18% of his salary. Fucking wow. Steph loses $8k of his salary and loses opportunities to win more money in tournaments this month. But even losing $8k, that "drags" his salary down to $88,000. So his livelihood is pretty much unaffected. Also consider the shittons of money he's won already. What this DOES do, since there is no arbitrator in esports, is set precedence over the scene, that even the most popular and accomplished foreigner is not untouchable when dollars are on the line. Interesting context. One point, however, is that most incidents that are handled within a team aren't arbitrated. They usually executed from within contractual allowances to punish "conduct unbecoming" or some form of moral clause. Similarly, most pro sports organizations, league offices and such, exact punishments without arbitration as well. | ||
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