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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
December 03 2012 07:51 GMT
#901
Here's a question. In the IPL finals did Leenock momentarily lose the title after falling 3-2 in the original Bo5 only to regain it in the following Bo3 or did the title never pass to Violet?
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Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 08:01:55
December 03 2012 08:01 GMT
#902
On December 03 2012 16:51 imallinson wrote:
Here's a question. In the IPL finals did Leenock momentarily lose the title after falling 3-2 in the original Bo5 only to regain it in the following Bo3 or did the title never pass to Violet?

That was ONE final with two sets, so Leenock shouldnt have lost the title since the "encounter" has had him down only after the first half.

I think such a "double final" should make people more concerned with their words, because too often commentators are using the words "game" and "match" in alternating meanings. They should follow the "tennis nomenclature" of game, set and match.
game = 1 game on 1 map
set = several maps in a BoX
match = several maps in a BoX, but maybe even over several sets

So Leenock won the match, even though Violet won a set and thus Leenock didnt actually "lose" his title.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 03 2012 12:58 GMT
#903
On December 03 2012 16:51 imallinson wrote:
Here's a question. In the IPL finals did Leenock momentarily lose the title after falling 3-2 in the original Bo5 only to regain it in the following Bo3 or did the title never pass to Violet?

imo leenock kept it the whole time, but that's just my opinion
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
December 03 2012 22:28 GMT
#904
On December 03 2012 21:58 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 16:51 imallinson wrote:
Here's a question. In the IPL finals did Leenock momentarily lose the title after falling 3-2 in the original Bo5 only to regain it in the following Bo3 or did the title never pass to Violet?

imo leenock kept it the whole time, but that's just my opinion

I thought that made more sense but I wanted to check all the same.
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 03 2012 22:33 GMT
#905
IMHO it would be logical to give viOLet the title for a short time; becuase techically he defeated Leenock and knocked him to the LB as well. If viOLet would have won the WB finals and then lost the last series, he would have gotten the title and I think the order of the matches between those two should´nt really matter.
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
December 05 2012 16:55 GMT
#906
On December 03 2012 17:01 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 16:51 imallinson wrote:
Here's a question. In the IPL finals did Leenock momentarily lose the title after falling 3-2 in the original Bo5 only to regain it in the following Bo3 or did the title never pass to Violet?

That was ONE final with two sets, so Leenock shouldnt have lost the title since the "encounter" has had him down only after the first half.

I think such a "double final" should make people more concerned with their words, because too often commentators are using the words "game" and "match" in alternating meanings. They should follow the "tennis nomenclature" of game, set and match.
game = 1 game on 1 map
set = several maps in a BoX
match = several maps in a BoX, but maybe even over several sets

So Leenock won the match, even though Violet won a set and thus Leenock didnt actually "lose" his title.

I understand what you mean with this, but I prefer the argument given by Xoronius. The tournament ran a double-elimination format and in the first Bo5 Violet eliminated Leenock, but Leenock got another series since that was his first elimination. And as Xoronius said, if Violet had won the Bo5 in the Winners' Final but then lost the Bo5 at the start of the Grand Final then nobody would argue that Violet was briefly the Unofficial World Champion.

Also, in your system, it would have been 1 set each in the Grand Final (and 4-4 in maps) so it would not make sense to say Leenock had won the match at that point.

I know it is just a bit of fun, but Violet had not held the title before (afaik) so I think he deserves his recognition for beating the champ in Bo5
ZodaSoda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1191 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 21:36:19
December 05 2012 21:34 GMT
#907
Its silly to transfer the Title in a Final like that, cause its not a final outcome, the title should only be transferred upon full completion of two players meeting. neither of them got knocked into the lb during the final thats not exactly how it works. its best to base it upon the brackets, if a player wins and moves forward in bracket or group score, they gain title.
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QQKachoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States192 Posts
December 05 2012 22:13 GMT
#908
I wonder who will take out Leenock O.o
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 05 2012 22:19 GMT
#909
On December 06 2012 07:13 QQKachoo wrote:
I wonder who will take out Leenock O.o


Perhaps the GSTL finals will provide an occasion for Sniper or DRG to snap it.
Who know
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 14 2012 08:33 GMT
#910
leenock has been untouched for a while now, haha
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 14 2012 08:48 GMT
#911
On December 14 2012 17:33 opterown wrote:
leenock has been untouched for a while now, haha

The GSL Tour Finals should be good. Let's see if he can overcome PartinG's soul or maybe another amazing game with Mvp
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yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
December 14 2012 09:03 GMT
#912
Rain champ now? He beat Leenock in MLG Tournament of Champions
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 09:05:18
December 14 2012 09:04 GMT
#913
On December 14 2012 18:03 yrt123 wrote:
Rain champ now? He beat Leenock in MLG Tournament of Champions

I think they are only counting live events IIRC

From OP

Only tournaments played live/at a LAN and broadcasted on-location (i.e. no weekly cups, TSL, online qualifiers - only MLG, GSL, GSTL, etc).

and the MLG part only counts the Arenas and the season championships
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 14 2012 09:05 GMT
#914
On December 14 2012 18:03 yrt123 wrote:
Rain champ now? He beat Leenock in MLG Tournament of Champions

nope, does not count ;p
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
December 14 2012 09:08 GMT
#915
Suggestion for the OP, maybe have the current champion at the top of the post instead of all the way at the bottom.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
December 14 2012 11:00 GMT
#916
Ah yea, my bad. Don't really check this thread much. Forgot about that.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 17 2012 02:05 GMT
#917
title defense today, yo!
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
December 17 2012 08:22 GMT
#918
two completed, two more to go
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 17 2012 08:24 GMT
#919
Leenock is defending the shit out of this title right now
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MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-17 09:11:14
December 17 2012 09:10 GMT
#920
On December 17 2012 17:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Leenock is defending the shit out of this title right now


Is anyone keeping track of "# of successful title defenses" for the champions?

Need a leader board for this. ^_^
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