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Candide
456 Posts
On July 21 2012 09:14 Yaki wrote: Illusion not hot enough for EG. But he will likely get picked up when he wins something big. And then the EG curse like always hmm. | ||
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Glon
United States569 Posts
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor. The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them. edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds. Should we call out Razer for saying their Razer Blade is "The World's First True Gaming Laptop" which is a very dubious claim? Am I supposed to trust Nazgul when he says Sudoku touch is the best sudoku game? Do you really think Red Bull gives you wings? Did you call them out on that when they invited you to their LAN to practice? A team gaining a sponsor is very positive. Why belittle the sponsor? It's rather disingenuous to dissect a promotional statement looking for holes. Of course not all of it is fact, some of it is opinion, some of it are forward-looking statements. It's fair to assume that they believe they are the leading low-latency solution. Some people might agree, some people might disagree. I'm sure Razer thinks they make the best gaming hardware, whether that is backed by cold hard facts or not. | ||
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GuitarBizarre
United Kingdom332 Posts
On July 21 2012 07:22 MrSexington wrote: Fnatic has sponsors? (I kid... sort of.) (I guess it's true that other teams need to do a better job at promoting their sponsors. I don't remember Fnatic ever mentioning Raidcall as a sponsor. I had no idea.) Really? Subscribe to the Fnatic twitch. Every time it goes live, thousands of nerds get "FNATIC.RAIDCALL IS LIVE!" in their inboxes. | ||
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GuitarBizarre
United Kingdom332 Posts
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor. The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them. edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds. To address without the puffery angle - I think the world is now so multimedia, and particularly so, within the eSports sphere, that claims like this are never taken at face value. I understand how it can seem like needless self aggrandization, and turning TL into a platform for half truth and exaggeration, but I simply can't see anyone on TL reading that and not catching that the phrase is PR speak, and marketing. Excepting of course, those people whose mental capacity is so limited that they represent a totally unrealistic baseline for us to "hold ourselves to on the forums". I'd rather see this kind of release come from the organisation, PR Speak intact and complete, rather than have it be edited by some third party to remove dubious claims of contentious importance. And I don't think TL, as huge as it is for starcraft, really has the kind of platform weight that would make a sponsor or organisation turn around and reword every press release for this one outlet. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
pretty sure EG said they didnt want to sell their name like fnatic do a while back, so clearly they are backtracking on this to be able to afford stephanos salary on top of all their other players #esports conspiracy | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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travdood
United States58 Posts
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Stitch
Hong Kong134 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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VPVanek
Canada238 Posts
What is their model, to win? What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33 User was warned for this post | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win? What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33 People are so quick, I never get to report anything... | ||
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win? What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33 User was warned for this post yeah because liquid players win everything right? | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
That is what I envisioned when I read the title. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On July 21 2012 10:33 Ruscour wrote: People are so quick, I never get to report anything... *flex* (a warning is a bit light though...) | ||
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Blennd
United States266 Posts
On July 21 2012 08:12 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's just that puffery may be legally okay but I don't believe it meets standards we ought to hold ourselves to on the forums. If a statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, it must have some value outside of its literal meaning in order to be worth our time, like humor. The relationship a consumer has with an advertisement is very different from the relationship one of our forum members has with a post. When claims are made that can't be backed up, especially by people who are not veterans of our community, we call bullshit and get rid of them. edit: In other words, if everyone thinks puffery is now a perfectly acceptable defense of claims made in posts, then you've all lost your fucking minds. What are you talking about? You realize the OP is copying a press release from another source right? Do you also think MC should be banned for making the claim "I am the best protoss" in a GSL interview, or that the interview should be edited or removed? If no, enlighten me on the difference. | ||
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TT1
Canada9987 Posts
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win? What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33 User was warned for this post represent their sponsors well by having popular players advertise their products > get more sponsors > get more money > keep signing top players ???? seems like a good business model imo | ||
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Rulker
United States1477 Posts
On July 21 2012 10:30 VPVanek wrote: I really don't like EG as a team, or company. What is their model, to win? What have you won as a team.. Nothing. All of you're players have done absolutely nothing, and since joining usually get worse. They have a team house, that from what it sounds like is just a place where you can play starcraft if you want, and then fuck off for the rest of the time. Congrats RC, sponsor a team that isn't going anywhere, rather than a team like lovely liquid <33 User was warned for this post as a team liquid hasnt won anything as a team iirc either (not detracting from TL) since joining EG: PuMa : NASL 2, some IEMS and stuff, high placings in MLGs, 2nd IEM WC, top 8 NASL 3 JYP: poor results admittedly but they havent gone down at least, 4th place HSC4, code S Huk: MLG Orlando, 3rd MLg Winter Arena, 4th MLG Winter Championships IdrA: won an MLG, an IEM, an IPL, all late 2010 to early 2011, then late 2011 lots of top 16 (and two top 4's) at MLGs. 2012 has been bad for him but at least go top 4 WCS USA and won his group at HSC V. Demuslim: won HSC, won other tourneys, beasted NASL 2 and NASL 3 to get to playoffs (only to lose their), 3rd IEM EU championships, 2nd WCS UK to a beast zerg in TvZ, and beat Nestea and other players in the recents MLGs. ThorZaIN: just joined EG so doesnt have any recent achievments however has just won Dreamhack. Incontrol, Machne, LZgamer, havent won anything but are skilled players, but still top of NA and great PR guys PLUS, EG has the best buisness team for a westen esports team, and has the most superstars/(as in fan favorites) of any team including Huk (most famous canadian player) IdrA(most famous american) ThorZaIN(most famous Swede with Naniwa) and incontrol (big PR guy for EG and host/caster). On the flip side TL has a great website but their palyers dont actually do much, aside from nony they arent on talkshows, they dont represent themselves well, nobody knew haypro till Liquid Rising, The only outgoing personality that i can think of is TLO. And they dont interview their koraens and players enough. EG has a whole youtube channel where they deliver content like Unburrowed and lots and lots of plyer interviews and are basically partnered with OneMoreGameTV where SirScoots is on LO3 and IdrA and Incontrol and their buddy Painuser (sometimes filled in by Machine or Demuslim) talk every week and INcontrol and sometimes idra are on state of the game. TL;DR, EG is the most marketable team. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7113 Posts
On July 21 2012 07:32 chipmonklord17 wrote: I don't think we'd need to see Fnatic rip EG a new one I remember a certain JYP getting a three-kill against Fnatic in a certain Korean teamleague. ;> Seriously though, glad to see my favorite team getting a new big sponsor. :-D Good stuff! Congratulations, EG! ^_^ | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Oh, wait. It devolved into EG bashing right from the get-go. Yes, let's shit on one of the few teams that manages to be a sustainable business in the e-sports world despite focusing purely on e-sports. | ||
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