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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
June 05 2012 02:10 GMT
#1001
On June 05 2012 07:00 ch1ppr wrote:
husky just uploaded this


Lol grubby using his wc3 micro right there to crush that cheater
Moar banelings less qq
Internet_justice
Profile Joined June 2012
20 Posts
June 05 2012 02:21 GMT
#1002
On June 05 2012 11:09 ZweiGaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 10:59 Internet_justice wrote:
Question for the thread:


For those players that hack in the highest levels of this game should we add them to a teamliquid wikipedia of notable hackers?


It is a trivial matter to find many of these players real names. I am not advocating for real life witchhunts but this would in my eyes be an effective and fair measure to stop repeat hackers. It has the added sting of their name coming up in google as someone with questionable ethics.


I'd say no, as it's possible that some of these players asked for account leveling (from a hacker). In this case, should we have their name or the leveler's name on the list? In those case, we most likely will never heard of the real player ever again as he won't be able to climb the ladder back by themselves.Though, their account should still be "tagged" as maphacker and get banned.

What about in the case of Impa and Lightpwnr where they were part of a clan with provided real names? We are looking for higher level maphackers not diamond etc players. If someone is in GM hacking the chances of being leveled there seem fairly low. So the account gets banned and they just make a new one and continue on. Before you say "but they have to buy another game!" remember that many repeat hackers have done this in the case of Counter-strike and other games.
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
June 05 2012 02:34 GMT
#1003
On June 05 2012 10:49 ZweiGaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 08:53 Psychonian wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]

I noticed DSNiNETAiL was online. The above conversation ensued.

EDIT2: I notice it didn't save the first couple messages. As follows:

You: Sup maphacker
DSNiNETAiL: maphacker? wtf


This does not bring anything new to the thread. Only post replays/screenshots of things that could be useful to determine wether or not the players are in fact hackers, instead of screenshots of you BMing the accused.


sorry. should i take it down? i was bored and figured a few people could get a good laugh out of it.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
June 05 2012 02:45 GMT
#1004
On June 05 2012 07:00 ch1ppr wrote:
husky just uploaded this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knt1mpHVu0g&feature=g-u-u


Grubby is my new hero. He was too nice to the guy though.
ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
June 05 2012 04:31 GMT
#1005
On June 05 2012 11:34 Psychonian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 10:49 ZweiGaming wrote:
On June 05 2012 08:53 Psychonian wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]

I noticed DSNiNETAiL was online. The above conversation ensued.

EDIT2: I notice it didn't save the first couple messages. As follows:

You: Sup maphacker
DSNiNETAiL: maphacker? wtf


This does not bring anything new to the thread. Only post replays/screenshots of things that could be useful to determine wether or not the players are in fact hackers, instead of screenshots of you BMing the accused.


sorry. should i take it down? i was bored and figured a few people could get a good laugh out of it.


You can just leave it there, though i'm saying this for the future posts.


UPDATE: A new youtube video was made with the replays of OnTheThrone. Once again, we're going through the most obvious/fishy parts of the replays and explaining them.

Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
June 05 2012 05:37 GMT
#1006
On June 05 2012 07:00 ch1ppr wrote:
husky just uploaded this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knt1mpHVu0g&feature=g-u-u


I can't figure out what is more impressive to me, Grubby's play, or how manner he was.
aitian
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2 Posts
June 05 2012 06:20 GMT
#1007
http://drop.sc/replays?game_format=2v2&player=#212553
someone uploaded videos of his teamgame's and he sits there and tells his partner exactly what the opponents race are / doing... (he being ReDz)
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
June 05 2012 09:35 GMT
#1008
On June 05 2012 10:59 Internet_justice wrote:
Question for the thread:


For those players that hack in the highest levels of this game should we add them to a teamliquid wikipedia of notable hackers?


It is a trivial matter to find many of these players real names. I am not advocating for real life witchhunts but this would in my eyes be an effective and fair measure to stop repeat hackers. It has the added sting of their name coming up in google as someone with questionable ethics.


Holy shit that's fucking creepy.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if half of the accused map hackers aren't map hacking at all.
Looking up their real name and posting it on some kind of hall of shame when you don't even know if it was the person who owns the account who was playing is really creepy.
I'm all for posting in game names and try to get them banned by blizzard if and when they're confirmed to a 100% to be hacking. That'll at least put them 60 bucks back and reset their ladder score. Always something.
Blizzard seems to be doing a shit job when it comes to banning people though.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
algorithm0r
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada486 Posts
June 05 2012 09:44 GMT
#1009
This thread is fueling a frenzy. I request it is closed. Spades has already suffered.

Maphacking is hardly a crime. Sure we don't like it. We could argue (though we'd be wrong) that maphacking ruins the "integrity" of our game. Even so ruining the career/reputation of a gamer is orders of magnitude worse than maphacking and TL has done that already to several pro gamers.

Please close this thread.
Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
June 05 2012 11:32 GMT
#1010
On June 05 2012 18:44 algorithm0r wrote:
This thread is fueling a frenzy. I request it is closed. Spades has already suffered.

Maphacking is hardly a crime. Sure we don't like it. We could argue (though we'd be wrong) that maphacking ruins the "integrity" of our game. Even so ruining the career/reputation of a gamer is orders of magnitude worse than maphacking and TL has done that already to several pro gamers.

Please close this thread.


Please leave.. Thou shall not cheat. Some of these hackers made money of it. I hate cheaters, I'd wish there was a way they would never ever be able to play a game again.
.............
avc
Profile Joined December 2011
121 Posts
June 05 2012 11:36 GMT
#1011
On June 05 2012 18:44 algorithm0r wrote:
This thread is fueling a frenzy. I request it is closed. Spades has already suffered.

Maphacking is hardly a crime. Sure we don't like it. We could argue (though we'd be wrong) that maphacking ruins the "integrity" of our game. Even so ruining the career/reputation of a gamer is orders of magnitude worse than maphacking and TL has done that already to several pro gamers.

Please close this thread.


There is literally nothing that kills online competitive gaming faster than cheating. The weak minded and forgiving attitude that many people have is exactly what cheating players exploit to get away with their crimes.

You must stop the rot, it means harsh words and tough choices, but if you don't cheat you have nothing to be afraid of.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
June 05 2012 11:39 GMT
#1012
On June 05 2012 20:36 avc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 18:44 algorithm0r wrote:
This thread is fueling a frenzy. I request it is closed. Spades has already suffered.

Maphacking is hardly a crime. Sure we don't like it. We could argue (though we'd be wrong) that maphacking ruins the "integrity" of our game. Even so ruining the career/reputation of a gamer is orders of magnitude worse than maphacking and TL has done that already to several pro gamers.

Please close this thread.


There is literally nothing that kills online competitive gaming faster than cheating. The weak minded and forgiving attitude that many people have is exactly what cheating players exploit to get away with their crimes.

You must stop the rot, it means harsh words and tough choices, but if you don't cheat you have nothing to be afraid of.


Well yes you do actually. It's almost impossible to prove that you're not map hacking. Look at the spades thing. None's certain, and nothing spades can say would change that.
This ruins his entire credibility in future online tournaments.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1168 Posts
June 05 2012 11:58 GMT
#1013
Spades was hacking multiple times before that. He has to be banned from any tournaments, nevermind if he is hacking now or not.

Look at dimaga - he cheated in one TSL back in the years and now he can't participate. And he was not hacking, and he was capable to qualify just he didn't have the needed time back then.

Spades and all hackers, present and in the past have to be banned at least from any tournaments out there!
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
June 05 2012 12:14 GMT
#1014
On June 05 2012 11:10 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:00 ch1ppr wrote:
husky just uploaded this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knt1mpHVu0g&feature=g-u-u

Lol grubby using his wc3 micro right there to crush that cheater

This is just awesome!
It's good to be back
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 05 2012 12:15 GMT
#1015
On June 05 2012 11:10 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:00 ch1ppr wrote:
husky just uploaded this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knt1mpHVu0g&feature=g-u-u

Lol grubby using his wc3 micro right there to crush that cheater

lol sick game

also some nice casting from husky, he's really improved.
avc
Profile Joined December 2011
121 Posts
June 05 2012 12:43 GMT
#1016
On June 05 2012 20:39 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 20:36 avc wrote:
On June 05 2012 18:44 algorithm0r wrote:
This thread is fueling a frenzy. I request it is closed. Spades has already suffered.

Maphacking is hardly a crime. Sure we don't like it. We could argue (though we'd be wrong) that maphacking ruins the "integrity" of our game. Even so ruining the career/reputation of a gamer is orders of magnitude worse than maphacking and TL has done that already to several pro gamers.

Please close this thread.


There is literally nothing that kills online competitive gaming faster than cheating. The weak minded and forgiving attitude that many people have is exactly what cheating players exploit to get away with their crimes.

You must stop the rot, it means harsh words and tough choices, but if you don't cheat you have nothing to be afraid of.


Well yes you do actually. It's almost impossible to prove that you're not map hacking. Look at the spades thing. None's certain, and nothing spades can say would change that.
This ruins his entire credibility in future online tournaments.


Was he not previously found to be cheating in BW? That alone harms his word when trying to defend himself.

He ruined his own credibility years ago and now there is a degree of circumstantial evidence suggesting he has cheated in SC2. Unfortunately, in most 'pro gaming' level cheat drama, there are people on both sides jumping to conclusions, it's important to look through that and use sensible judgement.

There is no automatic "omg he cheats 100%" light which flashes next to someone's name the moment anything dodgy happens. Most of these situations with 'pro gamers' online are always grey areas. Competitive players rarely use crazy automated cheats like aimbots (obviously no aimbots in SC2, but they're a good example). They use more subtle information based cheats which give them a definitive edge and are very very hard to detect definitively.

Smart and objective group analysis is required in such situations and a judgement must be made. The community can't afford to be weak minded or allow their judgement to be clouded when it comes to cheating, it must be eradicated and a clear message must be sent.
BeeNu
Profile Joined June 2011
615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 14:12:07
June 05 2012 14:11 GMT
#1017
On June 05 2012 20:39 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 20:36 avc wrote:
On June 05 2012 18:44 algorithm0r wrote:
This thread is fueling a frenzy. I request it is closed. Spades has already suffered.

Maphacking is hardly a crime. Sure we don't like it. We could argue (though we'd be wrong) that maphacking ruins the "integrity" of our game. Even so ruining the career/reputation of a gamer is orders of magnitude worse than maphacking and TL has done that already to several pro gamers.

Please close this thread.


There is literally nothing that kills online competitive gaming faster than cheating. The weak minded and forgiving attitude that many people have is exactly what cheating players exploit to get away with their crimes.

You must stop the rot, it means harsh words and tough choices, but if you don't cheat you have nothing to be afraid of.


Well yes you do actually. It's almost impossible to prove that you're not map hacking. Look at the spades thing. None's certain, and nothing spades can say would change that.
This ruins his entire credibility in future online tournaments.


Actually, if you are not a map hacker it will be pretty damn apparent since there will be no evidence. Your argument is like "well we shouldn't go around charging ppl with murder cuz u can't prove you DIDNT murder anyone" um...actually yes you can so just stop with this awful argument please.

If people like Spades maphack I'm honestly glad their careeres get ruined.
Oncce a scumbag always a scumbag imo.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 05 2012 16:13 GMT
#1018
In medal of honor allied assault there was an anti hack that would periodically take a screen c ap of players playing on a server with this antihack enabled. Is it not possible to make a program that takes random screenshotsduring game play of what is being displayed to the user. When uploading replays from a tourney you are required to upload this JPEG screenshot as well. Hell you could make it easier and have the program report the game automatically to play hem or whoever and auto upload the JPEG as well.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
June 05 2012 16:28 GMT
#1019
On June 05 2012 11:10 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 07:00 ch1ppr wrote:
husky just uploaded this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knt1mpHVu0g&feature=g-u-u

Lol grubby using his wc3 micro right there to crush that cheater

Grubby is such a boss!
Man, I had loads of respect for him before, but he just blew my mind, not only with heæ's cool and controll, but with that insane manner lol =)

GG Grubby, you already had me as a fan, but you are truely amazing ;-)
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
SmexMyPocky
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada31 Posts
June 05 2012 16:40 GMT
#1020

What the fuck. Reporting doesn't do anything? Venasaur is still not banned. lol..
wuddup gee.
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