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Hacker Name: LiquidSnute
Server: AM
League: Master
Replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6126130
battlenet://starcraft/profile/1/13876293069923418112
To start with, he never scouts in ZvZ. He never builds lings to scout my gas or if I'm droning. At 6 minutes I drop a roach warren to do a roach bane all in. He drops a roach warren shortly after, cuts drones, builds 3 evos and 3 spines to wall off and builds roaches as soon as his warren finishes. He does all of this before he has vision of my army moving across the map. At 10:45 he moves his roaches to defend his third. This could be just normal play or to defend it from my speedlings coming to cancel it. He didn't have vision but it's not unheard of to move your army to your third. At 11:30 he randomly sends 3 banelings over to where i have speedlings sent to from shift clicking the minimap. At 17:00 I send out 6 roaches by shift clicking them across the minimap. He saw them with his banelings from earlier but for some reason brought his entire army back to defend his third before he had vision of me attacking him there. Not to mention that this guy never scouted anything. He never even built an overseer.
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Im glad you posted this, I had a pvp with him on terraform where we both went double gas. He didn't scout at all and did some random 5 gate all in against my 1 gate expo. I thought it was just a personal build but it looked really weird since he didn't know what I was doing AT ALL, why would he go 5 gateways blind???
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Hi there. I was told to post this here. I have a replay of PureLegacy taken from 2 days ago. You can clearly see he is still hacking in this replay.
Replay: http://sc2rep.ru/show.php?id=16424
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On August 05 2015 02:08 MooSC wrote:Hi there. I was told to post this here. I have a replay of PureLegacy taken from 2 days ago. You can clearly see he is still hacking in this replay. Replay: http://sc2rep.ru/show.php?id=16424
I really don't see it. Can you please elaborate on what you think is suspicious? The reaction to the cannon rush, or what?
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Hacker name: llllllllllll
Server: NA
Replay Link: http://sc2rep.ru/show.php?id=16425
League: Master
Description:
Map Hacker, clearly, i start begin my nyndus worm and he looks at the screen in the dark and sends his troops.
He did that 5 times and different ways and positions on the map.
Without scout, he make 2 robotics and tech to colossus with no immortal.
Just to counter my SH build.
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On August 05 2015 02:36 Heartland wrote:I really don't see it. Can you please elaborate on what you think is suspicious? The reaction to the cannon rush, or what?
If you've played against purelegacy for any length of time you know 99.9% of the time he will open with 12 / 12 reaper expand into 3 CC. The reason that this is not proof that purelegacy is still cheating is because we don't the history of the two players he is playing against.
It's not rocket science for a decent player to see that he cut workers to defend this rush, but the fact of the matter is he could have played this team multiple times in the past and knows that they do the same build every single game.
You can relate this type of a replay to a couple of players that i've played against for the last 5 years " meat " and " potatoes " they go 6 pool with cannon rush literally every game after 100+ games.
So this isn't proof, or even remotely close to purelegacy " still cheating "
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On August 07 2015 16:06 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2015 02:36 Heartland wrote:On August 05 2015 02:08 MooSC wrote:Hi there. I was told to post this here. I have a replay of PureLegacy taken from 2 days ago. You can clearly see he is still hacking in this replay. Replay: http://sc2rep.ru/show.php?id=16424 I really don't see it. Can you please elaborate on what you think is suspicious? The reaction to the cannon rush, or what? If you've played against purelegacy for any length of time you know 99.9% of the time he will open with 12 / 12 reaper expand into 3 CC. The reason that this is not proof that purelegacy is still cheating is because we don't the history of the two players he is playing against. It's not rocket science for a decent player to see that he cut workers to defend this rush, but the fact of the matter is he could have played this team multiple times in the past and knows that they do the same build every single game. You can relate this type of a replay to a couple of players that i've played against for the last 5 years " meat " and " potatoes " they go 6 pool with cannon rush literally every game after 100+ games. So this isn't proof, or even remotely close to purelegacy " still cheating "
Does not scout and does an inefficient build that is neither economical or aggressive. Then proceeds to blindly build a bunker when his team is not even being greedy and he is already walled against races that cant go past the wall.
If he suspects this style of play one of the two would have either scv scouted, reaper scouted, or checked around the natural with an scv.
Two possibilities 1) he does not know how to play the game or 2) he is hacking. Given the fact he is a confirmed hacker, I don't think this is a very difficult one to decide.
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On August 07 2015 16:40 duckk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 16:06 ProTech wrote:On August 05 2015 02:36 Heartland wrote:On August 05 2015 02:08 MooSC wrote:Hi there. I was told to post this here. I have a replay of PureLegacy taken from 2 days ago. You can clearly see he is still hacking in this replay. Replay: http://sc2rep.ru/show.php?id=16424 I really don't see it. Can you please elaborate on what you think is suspicious? The reaction to the cannon rush, or what? If you've played against purelegacy for any length of time you know 99.9% of the time he will open with 12 / 12 reaper expand into 3 CC. The reason that this is not proof that purelegacy is still cheating is because we don't the history of the two players he is playing against. It's not rocket science for a decent player to see that he cut workers to defend this rush, but the fact of the matter is he could have played this team multiple times in the past and knows that they do the same build every single game. You can relate this type of a replay to a couple of players that i've played against for the last 5 years " meat " and " potatoes " they go 6 pool with cannon rush literally every game after 100+ games. So this isn't proof, or even remotely close to purelegacy " still cheating " Does not scout and does an inefficient build that is neither economical or aggressive. Then proceeds to blindly build a bunker when his team is not even being greedy and he is already walled against races that cant go past the wall. If he suspects this style of play one of the two would have either scv scouted, reaper scouted, or checked around the natural with an scv. Two possibilities 1) he does not know how to play the game or 2) he is hacking. Given the fact he is a confirmed hacker, I don't think this is a very difficult one to decide.
doesn't he start the bunker after he sees the pylon?
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On August 07 2015 16:40 duckk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 16:06 ProTech wrote:On August 05 2015 02:36 Heartland wrote:On August 05 2015 02:08 MooSC wrote:Hi there. I was told to post this here. I have a replay of PureLegacy taken from 2 days ago. You can clearly see he is still hacking in this replay. Replay: http://sc2rep.ru/show.php?id=16424 I really don't see it. Can you please elaborate on what you think is suspicious? The reaction to the cannon rush, or what? If you've played against purelegacy for any length of time you know 99.9% of the time he will open with 12 / 12 reaper expand into 3 CC. The reason that this is not proof that purelegacy is still cheating is because we don't the history of the two players he is playing against. It's not rocket science for a decent player to see that he cut workers to defend this rush, but the fact of the matter is he could have played this team multiple times in the past and knows that they do the same build every single game. You can relate this type of a replay to a couple of players that i've played against for the last 5 years " meat " and " potatoes " they go 6 pool with cannon rush literally every game after 100+ games. So this isn't proof, or even remotely close to purelegacy " still cheating " Does not scout and does an inefficient build that is neither economical or aggressive. Then proceeds to blindly build a bunker when his team is not even being greedy and he is already walled against races that cant go past the wall. If he suspects this style of play one of the two would have either scv scouted, reaper scouted, or checked around the natural with an scv. Two possibilities 1) he does not know how to play the game or 2) he is hacking. Given the fact he is a confirmed hacker, I don't think this is a very difficult one to decide.
PureLegacy's second barracks is put down at the exact same time as JoGilbert's forge, indicating that he planned to do a gasless 2 rax opener, not a "maphack reactive" 2 rax. For those who do not play 2v2, this is not an actual build for Terran as it is overly safe. The zerg's 10p speed isn't enough to warrant this safe of an opening, nor is just about anything PZvTT so Pure's build is very unlikely to be maphack reactive. It is far more likely that PureLegacy came into this game knowing what the other team would do, and therefore this replay provides no solid evidence of map hack.
I don't know this PZ team, but the fact that they're attempting to bust arguably the hardest race combination to bust on a map with a small choke suggests that they probably do this cheese regularly or even every game. I wouldn't be surprised if Pure could produce several replays of this PZ team playing the same exact cheese.
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On August 08 2015 05:55 WhiteLuminous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 16:40 duckk wrote:On August 07 2015 16:06 ProTech wrote:On August 05 2015 02:36 Heartland wrote:On August 05 2015 02:08 MooSC wrote:Hi there. I was told to post this here. I have a replay of PureLegacy taken from 2 days ago. You can clearly see he is still hacking in this replay. Replay: http://sc2rep.ru/show.php?id=16424 I really don't see it. Can you please elaborate on what you think is suspicious? The reaction to the cannon rush, or what? If you've played against purelegacy for any length of time you know 99.9% of the time he will open with 12 / 12 reaper expand into 3 CC. The reason that this is not proof that purelegacy is still cheating is because we don't the history of the two players he is playing against. It's not rocket science for a decent player to see that he cut workers to defend this rush, but the fact of the matter is he could have played this team multiple times in the past and knows that they do the same build every single game. You can relate this type of a replay to a couple of players that i've played against for the last 5 years " meat " and " potatoes " they go 6 pool with cannon rush literally every game after 100+ games. So this isn't proof, or even remotely close to purelegacy " still cheating " Does not scout and does an inefficient build that is neither economical or aggressive. Then proceeds to blindly build a bunker when his team is not even being greedy and he is already walled against races that cant go past the wall. If he suspects this style of play one of the two would have either scv scouted, reaper scouted, or checked around the natural with an scv. Two possibilities 1) he does not know how to play the game or 2) he is hacking. Given the fact he is a confirmed hacker, I don't think this is a very difficult one to decide. PureLegacy's second barracks is put down at the exact same time as JoGilbert's forge, indicating that he planned to do a gasless 2 rax opener, not a "maphack reactive" 2 rax. For those who do not play 2v2, this is not an actual build for Terran as it is overly safe. The zerg's 10p speed isn't enough to warrant this safe of an opening, nor is just about anything PZvTT so Pure's build is very unlikely to be maphack reactive. It is far more likely that PureLegacy came into this game knowing what the other team would do, and therefore this replay provides no solid evidence of map hack. I don't know this PZ team, but the fact that they're attempting to bust arguably the hardest race combination to bust on a map with a small choke suggests that they probably do this cheese regularly or even every game. I wouldn't be surprised if Pure could produce several replays of this PZ team playing the same exact cheese.
actually the replay is proof he is hacking. Now had the replay been of any other person it would mean nothing, however when a confirmed "previous/recent hacker" does this it shows either he is still hacking or does not know how to play the game, and for previous hackers I do not give them the benefit of the doubt. Regardless of match up or knowing the players there is no world where a terran will blindly 2 rax into defensive bunker and leave it at that. To say oh well he has played them before and they do this every game is a dumb argument for many reasons. 1) the best reaction if this were true would be to either reaper scout or scv scout and not blindly build a bunker and play defensive with an aggressive build 2) if they have played the same all in so often that they run into this blind response it is just as likely they will 2 hatch before pool and over drone.
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Hacker Name: SuperMan
Server: EU
League: Master
Race: Protoss
Map: Dash and terminal
Replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6132356
battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/2825350184479752192
I open gas first for fast marines mine drop. I drop first in the natural but there are no probes there (not really suspicious cause he scouted my build). The suspicious movements comes when i try the second drop with 2 mines in the main, He has the whole army completely out of position(in front of his natural) and when my medivac is half the way to his base he decides to move directly in the drop spot without having any vision of it. More he warp in 2 additional stalkers in the drop spot.I dont know if there are other suspicious things in this gamem im not an expert of this things.
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On August 08 2015 15:04 mugen00 wrote:Hacker Name: SuperMan Server: EU League: Master Race: Protoss Map: Dash and terminal Replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6132356battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/2825350184479752192 I open gas first for fast marines mine drop. I drop first in the natural but there are no probes there (not really suspicious cause he scouted my build). The suspicious movements comes when i try the second drop with 2 mines in the main, He has the whole army completely out of position(in front of his natural) and when my medivac is half the way to his base he decides to move directly in the drop spot without having any vision of it. More he warp in 2 additional stalkers in the drop spot.I dont know if there are other suspicious things in this gamem im not an expert of this things.
Doesn't really sound like hacking. When I see those medivacs with mines, I become so cautious that I would have done exactly what the protoss did just to try protect myself.
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On August 08 2015 15:33 Surkein wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 15:04 mugen00 wrote:Hacker Name: SuperMan Server: EU League: Master Race: Protoss Map: Dash and terminal Replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6132356battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/2825350184479752192 I open gas first for fast marines mine drop. I drop first in the natural but there are no probes there (not really suspicious cause he scouted my build). The suspicious movements comes when i try the second drop with 2 mines in the main, He has the whole army completely out of position(in front of his natural) and when my medivac is half the way to his base he decides to move directly in the drop spot without having any vision of it. More he warp in 2 additional stalkers in the drop spot.I dont know if there are other suspicious things in this gamem im not an expert of this things. Doesn't really sound like hacking. When I see those medivacs with mines, I become so cautious that I would have done exactly what the protoss did just to try protect myself.
But he left the natural completely unprotected to defend the exact drop spot, this doesnt reall make sense unless you know where the drop is arriving. If you dont know i guess you have to split the army, its so sospicious for me the he decide to move the whole army when the medivac is half in way to his base without seeing it. But that is only my opinion.
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Hacker Name: [MT] Reon
Server: EU
League: Master
Race: Terran
Map: Iron Fortress
Replay: http://sc2rep.ru/show.php?id=16455
battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/14942079368950710272
Couple of points in the game where I believe show this guy is hacking - Although pretty good at hiding it.
3:30: Sends his reaper straight to my base without any previous scouting. This could be just luck.
6:20: Sacrifices his reaper without scouting my base, no idea what he is playing against at this point.
6:40: Drops 2 missile turrets in his mineral lines. Hasnt scouted anything, however my oracle is just about to finish. This again could just be normal.
11:10: Hotkeys all of his natural workers. I'm going for an all-in attack, which he had no vision or scout of.
11:15: Pulls all of his workers into my attack. All he has seen is 1 phoenix at this point, but still pulls all the scv's to defend.
To me it seems this guy was hacking. With his playstyle and the fact he pulled all the workers for my all-in without vision seems to suggest he was.
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On August 08 2015 18:16 Primefusion wrote:Hacker Name: [MT] Reon Server: EU League: Master Race: Terran Map: Iron Fortress Replay: http://sc2rep.ru/show.php?id=16455battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/14942079368950710272 Couple of points in the game where I believe show this guy is hacking - Although pretty good at hiding it. 3:30: Sends his reaper straight to my base without any previous scouting. This could be just luck. 6:20: Sacrifices his reaper without scouting my base, no idea what he is playing against at this point. 6:40: Drops 2 missile turrets in his mineral lines. Hasnt scouted anything, however my oracle is just about to finish. This again could just be normal. 11:10: Hotkeys all of his natural workers. I'm going for an all-in attack, which he had no vision or scout of. 11:15: Pulls all of his workers into my attack. All he has seen is 1 phoenix at this point, but still pulls all the scv's to defend. To me it seems this guy was hacking. With his playstyle and the fact he pulled all the workers for my all-in without vision seems to suggest he was.
I had the same experience and same thoughts.
http://sc2rep.ru/show.php?id=16456
4:10-4:25 Goes for a reaper expo in TvT but only scouts the natural (without paying attention) and immediatly goes home and adds a highground bunker (against gas first, 1 gas medivac) without ever getting any information other than the lack of a lowground cc.
5:15 Sends his reaper down from his main to intercept a scouting hellion.
6:27 he manages to target fire and subsequently scan a mine in the first drop that is barely on the bottom edge of his screen (he actually prioriotizes it over marines without seeing it drop out and start to burrow). If you watch the game on his pov his camera is awkwardly hovering around the center of his base the entire game
8:20 Adds 3 turrets inside his main despite having taken heavy losses to the drop. And while turrets are often a good idea when there is no other aggression cutting scv's, depots while blocked and unit production when your army is 1 tank 1 marine is not really the way to go.
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Hacker name: [amBsTX] Frost.
Server: EU
League: Master
Race: Random
Map: Terraform
Replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6135495
I went for 11/11 because he was random. He goes 11/11 in his own main without scouting. Does a bunker to his natural blindly. what a joke :DDDD
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Hacker name: [ExG]civi
Server: EU
League: Masters
Description: Clan leader of ExG on EU server obvious maphacker. Doesnt make a natural, he sent his drone down their but turned it around on a 4player map. Sent 6 lings straight to my pylon and then afterward went straight to my base not knowing where I was at. Replay will be uploaded momentarily. You guys have an opinion? Or was it just luck.
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=305581#/replay_overview
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On August 11 2015 02:55 Luolis wrote:Hacker name: [amBsTX] Frost. Server: EU League: Master Race: Random Map: Terraform Replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6135495I went for 11/11 because he was random. He goes 11/11 in his own main without scouting. Does a bunker to his natural blindly. what a joke :DDDD
When people go random, they do cheesy shit also and what he did wasnt suspicious. He made a very fast bunker with 2 rax and put rines in it...He also made an expansion immediately as soon as you left. He seems clean to me.
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