EPTthere problalby is 35-40 something mh in gm
GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating th…
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
there problalby is 35-40 something mh in gm | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On October 31 2014 03:53 Pokebunny wrote: [D9CBD] Avilo: ye there problalby is 35-40 something mh in gm A chat log is cool and most of that clan's members are BM/more than likely hackers, but the point of this thread is for the replay and analysis if you're actually going to accuse someone high ranked of hacking. Of course, I'd like just as much as anyone to know who to avoid getting matched vs so if you have replay please post~! And just to reply to what he was saying: I don't think anyone, except one at one point possibly(?)/maybe magical(?), in the top 16 hack. There might be 1 or 2 in the top 50, but other than that most of the hackers on NA are High Masters players with GM mmr who just snipe people. It's actually quite annoying due to the fact that since they're on the "rising" mmr curve they'll match you many many times in a row if you don't stop searching  (That bananaguy not too long ago for instance). And just to reemphasize... it's definitely not 30-40... MAYBE, and i mean MAYBE ~10. It definitely fluctuates, but I think the above explanation is much better :/ It might feel like a lot more if u ladder a ton in a row. In case people are unaware: all of the NOFLEX players are known people who don't hack; and I know who the other barcodes are so as far as that's concerned I am quite sure they're all legit. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
I wasn't accusing Trace of hacking, I just heard some friends talking about him and suspecting he hacked so I just wanted to ask ^^ I know nothing about trace tbh. I edited that out just to not spread any rumors. Also as for NOFLEX idk if swoozy maphacks but he definitely stream cheats people. His acc is [NOFLEX] ekfjaslhfdkl. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On October 31 2014 04:19 Pokebunny wrote: Well the D9CBD Avilo guy openly admitted hacking to me while I was playing him, I can post the rep if necessary but pretty much no point as the chatlog confirms it. A chat log does not confirm hacking. He may have just been trolling you, I mean, we're on NA after all haha. I don't really care so much about the D9CBD Avilo d00d as much as I do about how this thread and hacking accusations should be done in general on TL. :D | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On October 31 2014 04:19 Pokebunny wrote: Well the D9CBD Avilo guy openly admitted hacking to me while I was playing him, I can post the rep if necessary but pretty much no point as the chatlog confirms it. I wasn't accusing Trace of hacking, I just heard some friends talking about him and suspecting he hacked so I just wanted to ask ^^ I know nothing about trace tbh. I edited that out just to not spread any rumors. Also as for NOFLEX idk if swoozy maphacks but he definitely stream cheats people. His acc is [NOFLEX] ekfjaslhfdkl. I would like to say that Trace's twos partner in NOFLEX is suspicious to me, which would be Virium. When I questioned him, "he's like yeah, but you do the same thing so it's easy to meta you." Problem is, if I did the same thing, he would have insta lost... yet he never probe scouted or scouted with a phoenix/unit. I looked over the replays, and I'm left with this question: how often do high GM players never look at their hallucinations? Personally, even when a hallucination dies before I was able to see what was going on, I still try to look. Virium never looks. Maybe he has different goals or is bad. I don't know. I just find it odd. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On October 31 2014 04:33 -Kyo- wrote: A chat log does not confirm hacking. He may have just been trolling you, I mean, we're on NA after all haha. I don't really care so much about the D9CBD Avilo d00d as much as I do about how this thread and hacking accusations should be done in general on TL. :D ye, cuz you acutally dont play against him. why do you comment at all? a chatlog is totally fine, we try to find the hackers after all, who cares about a replay if he openly admits it (and is known to be a hacker anyway, confirmed on many streams like HuK's)? | ||
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Jimmeh
United Kingdom908 Posts
On October 31 2014 05:18 KalWarkov wrote: ye, cuz you acutally dont play against him. why do you comment at all? a chatlog is totally fine, we try to find the hackers after all, who cares about a replay if he openly admits it (and is known to be a hacker anyway, confirmed on many streams like HuK's)? I'm a hacker. Just kidding, I'm not. But because I said it I must obviously hack right? Proof is completely unnecessary! What harm is there in actually posting a replay. | ||
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On October 31 2014 04:36 playa wrote: I would like to say that Trace's twos partner in NOFLEX is suspicious to me, which would be Virium. When I questioned him, "he's like yeah, but you do the same thing so it's easy to meta you." Problem is, if I did the same thing, he would have insta lost... yet he never probe scouted or scouted with a phoenix/unit. I looked over the replays, and I'm left with this question: how often do high GM players never look at their hallucinations? Personally, even when a hallucination dies before I was able to see what was going on, I still try to look. Virium never looks. Maybe he has different goals or is bad. I don't know. I just find it odd. Virium is really really bm, but I am quite sure he does not hack. I've played them in 2v2 a number of times... As for me: I usually never really follow my hallu pheonix until after it dies, unless it dies in the middle of the map or something. I look later to see for any buildings, but that's just me. Jimmeh did a good job getting at my point. If he is a hacker then I'd like to know just as much as everyone else, so indeed, I'd like replays, as I am sure would others. Last thing: I don't think this Trace (the rank 17th gm one/sol gaming) even started playing until late 2012, so I am hesitant to say it's the same person. I never heard of him hacking at any point so would have to see some reference to confirm or deny anything. For what it's worth I do not think he does, but replays are welcome as always! | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On October 31 2014 06:28 -Kyo- wrote: Virium is really really bm, but I am quite sure he does not hack. I've played them in 2v2 a number of times... As for me: I usually never really follow my hallu pheonix until after it dies, unless it dies in the middle of the map or something. I look later to see for any buildings, but that's just me. Jimmeh did a good job getting at my point. If he is a hacker then I'd like to know just as much as everyone else, so indeed, I'd like replays, as I am sure would others. Last thing: I don't think this Trace (the rank 17th gm one/sol gaming) even started playing until late 2012, so I am hesitant to say it's the same person. I never heard of him hacking at any point so would have to see some reference to confirm or deny anything. For what it's worth I do not think he does, but replays are welcome as always! He doesn't look at his hallucinations, period. He flies in base with oracle and doesn't even activate it, cause he plays like he knows he needs it for envision. I've never seen anyone prioritize "scouting" over killing probes. One of the more suspicious players I've seen. I think it's ridiculous that we even have to have this discussion. You were able to play every event in BW with anti hack. You could ladder with anti hack. You could do everything.. Now, in SC 2, where more is on the line... nothing. It's embarrassing. After seeing how many people would get caught hacking in WGT and clan leagues, when there wasn't anti hack being used, after every time a new method for catching hackers was implemented... this is the future? Fewer steps taken to prevent it? I really wish someone prominent would speak on this. It's absurd to me. I don't even think you should be allowed in GM or to play a tournament unless you're willing to have something scan your computer, some kinda anti hack. This just blows my mind how you could even attempt to become an esport when you know the hacking history in the game, yet do nothing about it. I hear riot life time bans people? Nerfy can stream himself hacking and not get banned for god knows how long and he can probably even sign up and play in the next tournament. That's SC 2 for you. The real discussion should be about why is blizzard failing so bad and what steps will they take. There is always going to be someone hacking if you don't make it impossible. This is just life. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
If you want to accuse someone of hacking in a serious manner then actually post some replays and why you think they hack. To sit and describe a game to us is sort of silly, and honestly, it just sounds like you're salty. You could have been a lot more succinct with your huge paragraphs on basically just getting something like ICCUP launcher reinstated with its built in anti-hack. I agree, and I've said many of the same things elsewhere, if you really want to, you can as well - but again - this thread is for outing hackers. So lets stick to that~ | ||
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
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Wormi
Germany181 Posts
Server: EU League: Dia http://drop.sc/388418 his hellion movement until his first drop should be proof enough. anyway, lots of funny moments. also chat. his english is worse than mine. i think he says he started maphacking yesterday. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On October 31 2014 10:12 -Kyo- wrote: If you want to accuse someone of hacking in a serious manner then actually post some replays and why you think they hack. To sit and describe a game to us is sort of silly, and honestly, it just sounds like you're salty. You could have been a lot more succinct with your huge paragraphs on basically just getting something like ICCUP launcher reinstated with its built in anti-hack. I agree, and I've said many of the same things elsewhere, if you really want to, you can as well - but again - this thread is for outing hackers. So lets stick to that~ Posting replays is next to worthless unless they're playing like nerfy. Any one or two replays is going to automatically end up as "he probably got lucky. Well, he could have deduced this and that." If I were to post a replay where the barcode team ascension Toss, in the top 16 of GM, 4 gated me on cataellna without scouting where my base was, and then magically was prepared for every counter attack I tried, I'm sure that wouldn't be enough either. Given it's not enough, I can only suggest maybe look at some of your replays versus these people and notice whether they actually, in this instance, ever look at their scouting hallucinations. I mean, what's the point of scouting if you never look? Talking about Blizzard is more important. The problem, in my eyes, and why we need threads like these is Blizzard. In BW, all of the good things to come about, outside of the games creation, were due to outside parties. Blizzard was always an inactive bystander. Now, in SC 2, they've locked a lot of these parties out and they're trying to take control of the "esport," but they're doing nothing to replace the void of the people they have kicked out. We should be focusing on the company with more money than any other company that was able to produce anti hacks not doing anything about hacking. If it happened in the past, it can happen again. If you actually put pressure on Blizzard or were like hey, Blizzard this is really embarrassing, aren't you embarrassed? Then, we might not need this thread. | ||
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Jade
Poland289 Posts
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Foreseer
Russian Federation3 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:50 Jade wrote: For all of yours' information. Shadye changed his name to a barcode. 528 games 285 wins as of right now. 530 games total career games, in case you need to confirm. Do you have a link on his profile? Would be really good. | ||
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Wormi
Germany181 Posts
On November 01 2014 00:02 playa wrote: Posting replays is next to worthless unless they're playing like nerfy. Any one or two replays is going to automatically end up as "he probably got lucky. Well, he could have deduced this and that." If I were to post a replay where the barcode team ascension Toss, in the top 16 of GM, 4 gated me on cataellna without scouting where my base was, and then magically was prepared for every counter attack I tried, I'm sure that wouldn't be enough either. Given it's not enough, I can only suggest maybe look at some of your replays versus these people and notice whether they actually, in this instance, ever look at their scouting hallucinations. I mean, what's the point of scouting if you never look? Talking about Blizzard is more important. The problem, in my eyes, and why we need threads like these is Blizzard. In BW, all of the good things to come about, outside of the games creation, were due to outside parties. Blizzard was always an inactive bystander. Now, in SC 2, they've locked a lot of these parties out and they're trying to take control of the "esport," but they're doing nothing to replace the void of the people they have kicked out. We should be focusing on the company with more money than any other company that was able to produce anti hacks not doing anything about hacking. If it happened in the past, it can happen again. If you actually put pressure on Blizzard or were like hey, Blizzard this is really embarrassing, aren't you embarrassed? Then, we might not need this thread. blizzard doesn´t allow any maphack discussion in their forums. actually, blaming people is not allowed. so if we create an applaud-thread in the official forums and praise maphackers for their incredible game sense, it should be fine. depending on how ridiculous it gets, maybe something changes. | ||
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Entropical
Russian Federation2 Posts
On November 01 2014 01:29 Foreseer wrote: Do you have a link on his profile? Would be really good. this one: battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/6647086584963268608 | ||
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Nogard
Italy40 Posts
Name: [P0WE] Furbollz Server: EU League: Master Race: Protoss Replay: http://drop.sc/388516 Description PvT on Deadwing. He didn't scout anything at the beginning of the game, yet he wrote "gosh factory agian" in the game chat. The following game isn't really indicative. The only thing could be hard countering the terran mech allin with very little information. I suspect a simple productiontab maphack. If anyone met this guy feel free to share your replays/opinions about him. | ||
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Ai.CPU
Germany11 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2l2oxi/shadye_high_mastergm_mmr_eu_terran_still/ Also made a reddit thread where you can find the replay. | ||
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