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On January 02 2014 03:13 Zarahtra wrote:Name: RoyalGamer Server: EU League: Master Race: Protoss There is no silver bullet here, but this is at best a very bizare game. I've never played against this account before in the least, so yeah... He does scout wrong direction but ends up skipping my base(having scouted the other 2 spaws positions). 6:06 throws down a cannon without seeing anything to indicate aggression. 6:58 Without seeing anything he moves his 3 stalkers in position to greet my hellion runby. 8:14 Takes a 3rd without even scouting an expansion(though admittedly he did check my infrastructure) 10:15 makes a phoenix and checks for hidden 3rd. Again I don't know, maybe he has played me before playing this build on a different account, but this game is really strange to me. Maybe I should've stuck in there longer to verify it, but yeah would love 2nd opinion on this... http://drop.sc/369313
The blind Cannon and attack moving his Stalkers to where you Hellions were coming is indeed a bit curious, not sure what to make of that. It is possible he sensed the aggression because you did a 2 SCV scout which indicates some form of aggression from your side (very eager to find his starting location). He saw both SCVs. That could explain the Cannon. I think we'll have to attribute the Stalkers intercepting the Hellions to coincidence / luck actually, he moved to the ramp outside his natural right when his 3rd Stalker popped which is apparently what he waited for.
I think taking his own third base was just a response to scouting your 2nd Factory. It takes a while to build a mech army capable of actually moving out to attack, so there is basically no risk in taking a quicker third base than normal. He scouted fairly actively, also checking your base again (revealing third factory).
About checking for your hidden third; I think he was noticing either your infrastructure seemed delayed / you should have had a third by now and just scouted the map to find it. He was also checking your normal third first I think. That just seemed like him reading the game properly.
All in all I didn't really get a hacker-vibe from this guy. If he does, he goes to great lengths to disguise it including scouting in the wrong direction at the start, scouting your base with Observer multiple times, etc.
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Would someone be able to give a second opinion on mine? these kids are actually trying to deny it now
On December 31 2013 18:35 krayzie.814 wrote:K I know this is a 2v2 game, but still these guys hack and its OBVIOUS. All you have to do is watch them overreact to my cannon rush which they cannot even see!!! It is so obvious its funny. Dudes in Question: [iiSuk] CaliDreaming [iiSuk] HighOnMeth http://drop.sc/369254
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I think there's probably a lot more people hacking than players realize (I'm not saying it's 'astronomical,' I'm just saying it's more than I realized). Like the people getting reported are people that are blatant like Caroline, that couldn't care less about disguising it. 90% of the time, I've been doing a pylon block, nothing more. 10% of the time, I've had a forge and have made a cannon or two, along with the pylon block. Oddly, enough, despite having the same pylon timing, and in games with no scouting, a good amount of players are pulling drones as my probe simply motions to go down their ramp. This never happens when I don't have a forge...
It's like they can't resist the urge to try to stop it, asap, and makes them forget about disguising the fact they're hacking. Yet, you can't report these people, because it's probably not conclusive or anything. But, in my experience, like I said... no one ever pulls drones unless I'm actually going to make a cannon... So many more are hacking, yet since they're not like caroline or nerffy, nothing you can do about it. They're in GM league, etc. No reports/mentions of them. Yet, hacking.
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yea lol and the zerg rallies his first lings right to my cannon which is completely in the fog and hasn't been seen yet
Man I really, really hate hackers, I feel like we gotta put them on blast, every single one of them, find a way to broadcast it to a shit ton of players because that's exactly what they hate. Like Mango or Sorcery, when everyone finds out that fucks them up
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On January 02 2014 15:35 playa wrote:
I think there's probably a lot more people hacking than players realize (I'm not saying it's 'astronomical,' I'm just saying it's more than I realized). Like the people getting reported are people that are blatant like Caroline, that couldn't care less about disguising it. 90% of the time, I've been doing a pylon block, nothing more. 10% of the time, I've had a forge and have made a cannon or two, along with the pylon block. Oddly, enough, despite having the same pylon timing, and in games with no scouting, a good amount of players are pulling drones as my probe simply motions to go down their ramp. This never happens when I don't have a forge...
It's like they can't resist the urge to try to stop it, asap, and makes them forget about disguising the fact they're hacking. Yet, you can't report these people, because it's probably not conclusive or anything. But, in my experience, like I said... no one ever pulls drones unless I'm actually going to make a cannon... So many more are hacking, yet since they're not like caroline or nerffy, nothing you can do about it. They're in GM league, etc. No reports/mentions of them. Yet, hacking.
I feel like there are less then you realize. There are so many players that blame a lot of their losses on hacking instantly. That is just bad when you do that, most of your losses are not due to hacking. Some are, but most aren't.
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Hello.
I have 2 replays containing evident signs of using map hack by 2 players. I wanted to post on Blizz forum, but I thought doing it here will be way more productive. Although these are team games, people mentioned are Master/Diamond leagues in 1v1.
Meow - 1v1 Master league, 3v3 game
10:59 - After trying to harass with lings, he clicks on my proxy pylon he is not seeing.
http://i.imgur.com/1td3DZ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MvOXghy.jpg
11:58 - After killing my zealot, he clicks near my next proxy pylon which also couldn't be seen by him (this time he doesn't even move his camera there).
http://i.imgur.com/Cthl2K3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KBhL2A5.jpg
Replay:
http://cloud.zydox.se/public.php?service=files&t=7f08b43d720972f59ea9e67f5318a40b
I consider this obvious display of using map hack. Funny thing is that after I typed 'nice mh', he suddenly starts to click around trying to fake searching for more pylons.
[HWoS] Limazo - 1v1 Diamond league, 4v4 game
After seeing 'balanced' teams i decided not to play the game and I did send 1 drone to the left bottom corner of the map to place an Extractor and I morphed 1 drone to hide that fact. Enemy team didn't see the drone or the Extractor.
7:17 - As he was going for my hatchery to finish it, he clicks shift-clicks on the ramp and then near my hidden Extractor (without moving the camera there). Then he deselects one Stalker and attacks my hatchery with rest of his army. The one Stalker is going for Extractor he is not seeing. This was done presumably for the sake of saving time as he thought I was afk. I think it's obvious why he knew where I did hide my Extractor before killing my Hatchery.
http://i.imgur.com/4L1VYNZ.jpg
Replay:
http://cloud.zydox.se/public.php?service=files&t=e7e6b41e4810fd3cc82056b23b615fab
Share your opinion about these too replays. If you think those actions are evidence of using map hack - please report those people.
Happy New Year to everyone!
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On January 02 2014 15:35 playa wrote:
I think there's probably a lot more people hacking than players realize (I'm not saying it's 'astronomical,' I'm just saying it's more than I realized). Like the people getting reported are people that are blatant like Caroline, that couldn't care less about disguising it. 90% of the time, I've been doing a pylon block, nothing more. 10% of the time, I've had a forge and have made a cannon or two, along with the pylon block. Oddly, enough, despite having the same pylon timing, and in games with no scouting, a good amount of players are pulling drones as my probe simply motions to go down their ramp. This never happens when I don't have a forge...
It's like they can't resist the urge to try to stop it, asap, and makes them forget about disguising the fact they're hacking. Yet, you can't report these people, because it's probably not conclusive or anything. But, in my experience, like I said... no one ever pulls drones unless I'm actually going to make a cannon... So many more are hacking, yet since they're not like caroline or nerffy, nothing you can do about it. They're in GM league, etc. No reports/mentions of them. Yet, hacking.
You're probably right. If you google "sc2 hacks", you'll be mind blown at how easy it is to find. Hackers are disgusting, and for them to even consider themselves a part of the starcraft community saddens me.
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Hello!
Got registered just for this. So, i went to play unranked with my offrace and met this fellow named [JuG] Schlingue, a master league zerg EU. Here's the replay http://drop.sc/369401http://drop.sc/369401
He spotted all my movements without having any vision, and just to make it more obivious he moved his camera over to the spot where my army was. He spotted my dt's and warp prisms without vision and went to kill my expansions right when i put them down, again, without anything to spot them. On top of that he nailed larva injects pretty damn well, without even controllin' nor looking at his quuens. Gladly i met him on unranked match, but hopefully he could be stopped 
Happy new year!
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On January 03 2014 01:05 dukem wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 15:35 playa wrote:
I think there's probably a lot more people hacking than players realize (I'm not saying it's 'astronomical,' I'm just saying it's more than I realized). Like the people getting reported are people that are blatant like Caroline, that couldn't care less about disguising it. 90% of the time, I've been doing a pylon block, nothing more. 10% of the time, I've had a forge and have made a cannon or two, along with the pylon block. Oddly, enough, despite having the same pylon timing, and in games with no scouting, a good amount of players are pulling drones as my probe simply motions to go down their ramp. This never happens when I don't have a forge...
It's like they can't resist the urge to try to stop it, asap, and makes them forget about disguising the fact they're hacking. Yet, you can't report these people, because it's probably not conclusive or anything. But, in my experience, like I said... no one ever pulls drones unless I'm actually going to make a cannon... So many more are hacking, yet since they're not like caroline or nerffy, nothing you can do about it. They're in GM league, etc. No reports/mentions of them. Yet, hacking. You're probably right. If you google "sc2 hacks", you'll be mind blown at how easy it is to find. Hackers are disgusting, and for them to even consider themselves a part of the starcraft community saddens me.
You do know in brood war and early starcraft 2 days. Pro Korean gamers team mangers had them use map hacks as a learning tool of all the timing ect on ladder right?
You would be surprised how many top Korean Pros use map hacks on the ladder for learning tools. Not sure how often that practice is today, but it was pretty common in Korea. NA has tons of hackers, because of the advanced methods of external overlays that go undetected.
At least in Warcraft 3 and brood war, the ban waves would actually ban accounts, in Warcraft 3 there was only 1 or 2 hacks that had protection so banning hackers were a lot easier. With todays advanced methods, and Blizzards lack of effort to prevent(Blizzard could easily prevent but it costs them more money and time then it does a hacker to keep patching his hack).
NA hackers are pretty dumb only few in GM that are annoying. Korea has a lot of Chinese/Korean hackers in masters/GM. EURO has a lot as well.
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VodkaMarini - diamond EU
Builds gateway -> forge without scouting and builds pylon to cannon rush before he sees the hatch, also looks like hes got some camera lock.
http://ggtracker.com/matches/4562529 for the replay
excuse the BM, i know a maphacker when i see one.
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Dear BadBorz. I see your ling in Xel'naga tower becouse my overlord is there! i wanna kill your lings, im misclick, my lings go near Xel'naga tower.When i see first time nydus i patrolling mutas all map.Thats all! I have luck, but i never try using hack! I hate hackers, this is a game, and we play normally, fair. Bye!
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On January 04 2014 10:11 NLBZT wrote:
Dear BadBorz. I see your ling in Xel'naga tower becouse my overlord is there! i wanna kill your lings, im misclick, my lings go near Xel'naga tower.When i see first time nydus i patrolling mutas all map.Thats all! I have luck, but i never try using hack! I hate hackers, this is a game, and we play normally, fair. Bye!
Nydus started at 10:45
first click on xelnaga at 10:53 http://i.imgur.com/uwpZaFt.jpg
then now A move click after your click on xelnaga at 10:54 http://i.imgur.com/zBdyIXM.jpg
second a move after still at 10:54 http://i.imgur.com/PYA1ppi.jpg
third a move on my nydus at 10:55 http://imgur.com/gnHJ7JC
Nice missclicks dude, normally with the click you shoulds closer clicks the xelnage bbut you you cloe the nydus very funny
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On January 04 2014 10:30 BadBorz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 10:11 NLBZT wrote:
Dear BadBorz. I see your ling in Xel'naga tower becouse my overlord is there! i wanna kill your lings, im misclick, my lings go near Xel'naga tower.When i see first time nydus i patrolling mutas all map.Thats all! I have luck, but i never try using hack! I hate hackers, this is a game, and we play normally, fair. Bye! Nydus started at 10:45 first click on xelnaga at 10:53 http://i.imgur.com/uwpZaFt.jpgthen now A move click after your click on xelnaga at 10:54 http://i.imgur.com/zBdyIXM.jpgsecond a move after still at 10:54 http://i.imgur.com/PYA1ppi.jpgthird a move on my nydus at 10:55 http://imgur.com/gnHJ7JCNice missclicks dude, normally with the click you shoulds closer clicks the xelnage bbut you you cloe the nydus very funny
That explains his weird behavior and perfect response to my 9 pool. He didnt even overlord scout...
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Hacker name : [VaGa1]FaDeMessu
No scout all game , go direct for my main on the biggest 4 player map in the game lol :D bad mechanic ( chrono full) etc~
replay: http://drop.sc/369476
Server NA
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On January 04 2014 13:19 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote:Hacker name : [VaGa1]FaDeMessu No scout all game , go direct for my main on the biggest 4 player map in the game lol :D bad mechanic ( chrono full) etc~ replay: http://drop.sc/369476Server NA
Nothing super suspicious in my replay, but I am pretty confident he is maphacking as well. Except perfect counter to my build without any scouting.
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Hacker Name: ZeroBlue
Server: NA
Race: Terran
Rank: Diamond
Replay: http://drop.sc/369496
He opened with an old Wings of Liberty Build, where you go 3rax and pull all your scvs. He rallies his 2 scvs to proxy the 2nd and 3rd rax towards my base with no scout on Alterzim Stronghold... and proxies the rax and then when I asked him how he knew where to proxy the rax, he responded that my ovie came from the left. In the replay you clearly see he rallies his scvs without even seeing my overlord. You can download the replay and see for yourself.
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On December 06 2013 00:39 cmdspinner wrote:
I can confirm BERILA. He proxy double raxed me on frost (4 player map) at my natural without having scouted my location.
User was banned for this post.
did the exact same thing to me just now, reported him to blizz but indeed, spawned crosswise on Frost and he sends an scv to proxy without scouting any actual units or buildings.
Why was this man banned for his post? Berila TL Mod?
User was warned for this post
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On January 02 2014 15:35 playa wrote:
I think there's probably a lot more people hacking than players realize (I'm not saying it's 'astronomical,' I'm just saying it's more than I realized). Like the people getting reported are people that are blatant like Caroline, that couldn't care less about disguising it. 90% of the time, I've been doing a pylon block, nothing more. 10% of the time, I've had a forge and have made a cannon or two, along with the pylon block. Oddly, enough, despite having the same pylon timing, and in games with no scouting, a good amount of players are pulling drones as my probe simply motions to go down their ramp. This never happens when I don't have a forge...
It's like they can't resist the urge to try to stop it, asap, and makes them forget about disguising the fact they're hacking. Yet, you can't report these people, because it's probably not conclusive or anything. But, in my experience, like I said... no one ever pulls drones unless I'm actually going to make a cannon... So many more are hacking, yet since they're not like caroline or nerffy, nothing you can do about it. They're in GM league, etc. No reports/mentions of them. Yet, hacking.
I have the same feeling.
I used to 888 a lot against zerg, and some reactions weren't normal at at, like no scout, pool first hatch without harass zergling, or weird scouting path that strangly rush into my proxys quite fast.
But meh, can't really do anything against it. Now when I have some doubt about my opponent, I just play ultra standard because I know i'm better at macro than him.
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On January 04 2014 22:14 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 15:35 playa wrote:
I think there's probably a lot more people hacking than players realize (I'm not saying it's 'astronomical,' I'm just saying it's more than I realized). Like the people getting reported are people that are blatant like Caroline, that couldn't care less about disguising it. 90% of the time, I've been doing a pylon block, nothing more. 10% of the time, I've had a forge and have made a cannon or two, along with the pylon block. Oddly, enough, despite having the same pylon timing, and in games with no scouting, a good amount of players are pulling drones as my probe simply motions to go down their ramp. This never happens when I don't have a forge...
It's like they can't resist the urge to try to stop it, asap, and makes them forget about disguising the fact they're hacking. Yet, you can't report these people, because it's probably not conclusive or anything. But, in my experience, like I said... no one ever pulls drones unless I'm actually going to make a cannon... So many more are hacking, yet since they're not like caroline or nerffy, nothing you can do about it. They're in GM league, etc. No reports/mentions of them. Yet, hacking. I have the same feeling. I used to 888 a lot against zerg, and some reactions weren't normal at at, like no scout, pool first hatch without harass zergling, or weird scouting path that strangly rush into my proxys quite fast. But meh, can't really do anything against it. Now when I have some doubt about my opponent, I just play ultra standard because I know i'm better at macro than him.
At the very least, I think blizzard has a responsibility to out players/pros in GM who get banned for hacking. If word doesn't get around and there's no chance for the community to investigate who it might be, then where's the deterrent? 40 bucks? These guys easily make that off online tournaments. Can there at least be a list/wall of shame or w/e have you?
Caroline, the guy on EU that makes 0 effort to fool anyone that he/she is hacking, currently has 800+ ladder games on his/her account. I haven't reported the person, using the blizzard option, but I'm sure many have. Obviously that function is just there to make the players feel like they have some power, when they don't. It's clear they won't ban anyone until they actually can detect their program.
I just don't like the foundation/steps being taken at all. How many games does a blatant hacker need to have before getting banned? Are there even rules in blizzard tournaments that bar known hackers? If they want this to become a sport, then maybe they can actually watch a real sport and see how they conduct themselves when it comes to cheating. Hopefully it's not just nerds working, and they do know of real sports.
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