EPTOn December 20 2012 06:54 RTStrauma wrote:
I'm WLHgeorge. I stream.
I'm WLHgeorge. I stream.
thank you for proving that you can stream and hack.
GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating th…
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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody. Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
thank you for proving that you can stream and hack. | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
On December 20 2012 06:54 RTStrauma wrote: I'm WLHgeorge. I stream. http://www.twitch.tv/rts_trauma Hooray!. Nobody cares. You clearly hack. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
edit - Although if he does hack, then I guess he must use an external hack. I'm looking to see moments of him tabbing out during a game, though it appears atm he uses game capture so it won't show windows. It seems apparent he has a second monitor - reference 53:10 in http://www.twitch.tv/rts_trauma/b/349425555 , you can tell by the monitor glare when nothing is happening on the screen in sc2. He actually guesses correctly on every 2 gate proxy that I've seen in that vod, and I've watched quite a few cause he got nothing but pvp for a number of games in a row. Oddly enough, one guy that accuses him of hacking, he responds to by saying he calls out the proxy location before the game starts, which he in fact does not do. edit 2 - You can also see the second monitor glare at many other points in the vod as well. So atm I'd wager he's running an external maphack on a second monitor, cause I've watched like, over 7 PvPs in ~10 minutes, not even browsing every part of that vod, and he proxy 2 gates successfully in all of them, on 4 player maps, and without a pattern to his proxy locations. You can also see him constantly glancing at an angle which is highly suggestive of him glaring at a second monitor, although granted this last assertion is not solid, and there could be other reasons he's looking over there. He does however appear to do this at the start of every proxy PvP. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On December 20 2012 07:11 EtherealDeath wrote: The google results for "rts_trauma hacker" and variants upon that theme make me lol. You should try it too. I'd link it but there are too many glorious results to link. edit - Although if he does hack, then I guess he must use an external hack. I'm looking to see moments of him tabbing out during a game, though it appears atm he uses game capture so it won't show windows. It seems apparent he has a second monitor - reference 53:10 in http://www.twitch.tv/rts_trauma/b/349425555 , you can tell by the monitor glare when nothing is happening on the screen in sc2. He actually guesses correctly on every 2 gate proxy that I've seen in that vod, and I've watched quite a few cause he got nothing but pvp for a number of games in a row. Oddly enough, one guy that accuses him of hacking, he responds to by saying he calls out the proxy location before the game starts, which he in fact does not do. Yeah I noticed the same thing, ive been watching the vod too. Guy doesn't seem legit at all. "RTStrauma was just banned by KadaverBB. That account was created on 2012-12-19 01:57:22 and had 1 posts. Reason: Hacker advertising his stream." Oh well that takes care of that. | ||
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Eggi
478 Posts
I as a viewer even would be suspicious T_T | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
On December 20 2012 07:11 EtherealDeath wrote: The google results for "rts_trauma hacker" and variants upon that theme make me lol. You should try it too. I'd link it but there are too many glorious results to link. edit - Although if he does hack, then I guess he must use an external hack. I'm looking to see moments of him tabbing out during a game, though it appears atm he uses game capture so it won't show windows. It seems apparent he has a second monitor - reference 53:10 in http://www.twitch.tv/rts_trauma/b/349425555 , you can tell by the monitor glare when nothing is happening on the screen in sc2. He actually guesses correctly on every 2 gate proxy that I've seen in that vod, and I've watched quite a few cause he got nothing but pvp for a number of games in a row. Oddly enough, one guy that accuses him of hacking, he responds to by saying he calls out the proxy location before the game starts, which he in fact does not do. edit 2 - You can also see the second monitor glare at many other points in the vod as well. So atm I'd wager he's running an external maphack on a second monitor, cause I've watched like, over 7 PvPs in ~10 minutes, not even browsing every part of that vod, and he proxy 2 gates successfully in all of them, on 4 player maps, and without a pattern to his proxy locations. You can also see him constantly glancing at an angle which is highly suggestive of him glaring at a second monitor, although granted this last assertion is not solid, and there could be other reasons he's looking over there. He does however appear to do this at the start of every proxy PvP. Well he is banned anyway, replay shows he uses blink hack and map hack at least. | ||
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jyuj
Australia103 Posts
Server: NA League: Master Description: Probably Map Hack, but I think also some kinda auto select hack. I posted my game on Drop.sc http://drop.sc/players/US/1823317/LIM He blinked into my base and sniped my twilight council twice. His blink timing was very good, blinking in before cannons would finish, and before blink would finish. LIM always seemed to know when I was moving out and such. I looked over his replay with SCII gears and found multiple impossible commands, but I don't know how to post a picture of it, so if someone could look over the replay for me, and post the it, that would be very appreciated. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
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Grildrak
Sweden44 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:10 Grildrak wrote: Hacker name Attila Server EU League Diamond Descriptions Game 1: ~1:32 he sends a second scv to my base to proxy rax me before the first scouts me. Look at my natural expantions ramp and you will see him sending the second scv down there (to the right) without knowing where I am (he is also not looking at the place he is sending it as if he was using the mini map for it.) When I first saw it I thought he first had sent the scv to his ramp too build his rax there in the wall and that he just changed his mind after his scout saw me. But he never sends it to the ramp, he is sending it straight down to my base for the proxy. His proxy fails he gg and leaves. Game 2 Matched against him a second game No scouting until he sends a reaper to my base. Doesn't really prove anything (my base spawn would be the first anyone would scout) but his reaper dies before seeing anything I have. And he never scans my base so he is playing 100% blindly all game. 6:17 Interesting blind barrack rally to my natural expansion without knowing if I have any army there or not (had I had my army out there his marines would have walked in and died one by one). No prof but interesting. 8-9 Multiple peeks towards my high ground tanks in fog of war 9:05 The first ever scan by him gives him vision of my just forward moved tank at my ramp (just after a very notable peek into fog of war) 12:24 I take my third base. At this time he just selected his armoury and started an upgrade and does nothing for 2 seconds (with the armoury selected, normally if you dont have anything to do for that long you circle production buildings or look for something to do). He then selects his army and sends it for my expansion. I would argue that the time he was doing nothing (not even moving the camera) with the armoury selected he was looking at me and my expo in the fog of war. I guess you could argue that he just had a feeling I was expanding. Sure but there is no clear third expansion on shakuras. I could have taken the other one as well (like he had) but he went for the one further away. The only building he have seen of me is my expansion cc I built next to my ramp that he saw when he scanned too kill my tank at 9:05 While he is moving out I am doing the same. 12:58 he sees that our armies will meet and pulls his further down south letting me pass without seeing him. At the same time he is also taking a obvious peek at my army as I am moving down my ramp and we pass. Ends with a semi base race. Posted that a few days ago but looks like it got buried before anyone looked to it so reposting. | ||
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DanceSC
United States751 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:00 jyuj wrote: Hacker name: LIM Server: NA League: Master Description: Probably Map Hack, but I think also some kinda auto select hack. I posted my game on Drop.sc http://drop.sc/players/US/1823317/LIM He blinked into my base and sniped my twilight council twice. His blink timing was very good, blinking in before cannons would finish, and before blink would finish. LIM always seemed to know when I was moving out and such. I looked over his replay with SCII gears and found multiple impossible commands, but I don't know how to post a picture of it, so if someone could look over the replay for me, and post the it, that would be very appreciated. Just like your opponent said during the game: 00:22:30 - LIM to ALL: "id tell you watch replay, but i know you wont". If you accuse somebody then watch the replay carefully & write a good description why you think your opponent was cheating (preferably with time stamps). Replay: http://drop.sc/285736 You described: "I think also some kinda auto select hack" and "I looked over his replay with SCII gears and found multiple impossible commands". Thus I first went through the replay's action list searching for typical automation sequences. I found none. I did not notice any 'impossible sequences' either. It did not help that you did not describe what the suspicious sequences were and when they happened (Sc2gears supports copy-pasting the contents of every list & table in text - no screenshots are needed). Then I watched the first 15 min (Blizzard time) of the replay (it included several of the battles you described) from his perspective alternating in 'normal' & 'faster' speeds. I did not notice suspicious actions. As an example he seemed completely unaware of your 4 gate and defended it nicely with 2 gate without sentries (he got warpgate tech one minute later than you for his 2 gates). During the whole match he made lots of control mistakes. Often during the battles he did not use control groups but manually controlled his troops (he manually chose smaller groups, used ctrl clicks etc). He did not multitask well during the battles (e.g. his macro slipped). The later parts of the replay I watched with higher speeds and did not notice anything suspicious. Your opponent seems clean. | ||
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yogmark
Netherlands33 Posts
My name is Mark "Yogmark" Meijdam. Also known as xpDutch, teamleader of team Xperience. I have been investigating one of my members name WHLGeorge. After he has been accused of maphacking i have been doing my own investigation together with the 1 shown on the page before this one. I cam to the conclussion the the evidence is too strong too prove his innocents. In responds to this i had to make the descission to kick WHLGeorge out of the team as this kind of cheating will not be allowed in Team Xperience. We strive to be fair and respectfull. I hope people will hate the player, not the team. As we had no info on him being a maphacker before these games. Thanks for all your support. with best regards, ~ Mark "Yogmark" Meijdam ~ xpDutch | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:09 Grildrak wrote: Posted that a few days ago but looks like it got buried before anyone looked to it so reposting. on my todo! if you could get more reps of him/her that would be great as well. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On December 21 2012 07:43 yogmark wrote: Hi, My name is Mark "Yogmark" Meijdam. Also known as xpDutch, teamleader of team Xperience. I have been investigating one of my members name WHLGeorge. After he has been accused of maphacking i have been doing my own investigation together with the 1 shown on the page before this one. I cam to the conclussion the the evidence is too strong too prove his innocents. In responds to this i had to make the descission to kick WHLGeorge out of the team as this kind of cheating will not be allowed in Team Xperience. We strive to be fair and respectfull. I hope people will hate the player, not the team. As we had no info on him being a maphacker before these games. Thanks for all your support. with best regards, ~ Mark "Yogmark" Meijdam ~ xpDutch good call! | ||
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league
Peru58 Posts
On December 20 2012 09:00 jyuj wrote: Hacker name: LIM Server: NA League: Master Description: Probably Map Hack, but I think also some kinda auto select hack. I posted my game on Drop.sc http://drop.sc/players/US/1823317/LIM He blinked into my base and sniped my twilight council twice. His blink timing was very good, blinking in before cannons would finish, and before blink would finish. LIM always seemed to know when I was moving out and such. I looked over his replay with SCII gears and found multiple impossible commands, but I don't know how to post a picture of it, so if someone could look over the replay for me, and post the it, that would be very appreciated. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On December 21 2012 19:49 league wrote: Watched the replay, I think he did not hack. Please don't accuse someone without posting any evidence. Just because you lost does not mean your opponent hacked. And lucky timing is not automatically equal to hack. i don't think you should deter people from posting what they think are suspicious replays. of course accusing someone of using hacks is srs business so you should tread carefully when writing the post, but jyuj is using this thread correctly. edit: but he should probably use a bit more caution when writing his posts. if you want to take a screenshot of something simply copy the screen pressing 'Print Screen' and paste it in f.ex mspaint. there you can crop the photo, add cool red arrows etc etc before uploading to imgur or whatever. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On December 20 2012 13:53 korona wrote: Just like your opponent said during the game: 00:22:30 - LIM to ALL: "id tell you watch replay, but i know you wont". If you accuse somebody then watch the replay carefully & write a good description why you think your opponent was cheating (preferably with time stamps). Replay: http://drop.sc/285736 You described: "I think also some kinda auto select hack" and "I looked over his replay with SCII gears and found multiple impossible commands". Thus I first went through the replay's action list searching for typical automation sequences. I found none. I did not notice any 'impossible sequences' either. It did not help that you did not describe what the suspicious sequences were and when they happened (Sc2gears supports copy-pasting the contents of every list & table in text - no screenshots are needed). Then I watched the first 15 min (Blizzard time) of the replay (it included several of the battles you described) from his perspective alternating in 'normal' & 'faster' speeds. I did not notice suspicious actions. As an example he seemed completely unaware of your 4 gate and defended it nicely with 2 gate without sentries (he got warpgate tech one minute later than you for his 2 gates). During the whole match he made lots of control mistakes. Often during the battles he did not use control groups but manually controlled his troops (he manually chose smaller groups, used ctrl clicks etc). He did not multitask well during the battles (e.g. his macro slipped). The later parts of the replay I watched with higher speeds and did not notice anything suspicious. Your opponent seems clean. after watching 4 of his reps from drop.sc (LIM vs jyuj, LIM vs Rooo, Mudkipnick vs LIM, anderhyo vs LIM), i tend to agree with korona. didn't see any automation, seemed to scout, miss-scout, get caught off guard etc. | ||
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Fusa
Canada148 Posts
Scenario (red and blue both toss) obviously on sharecontrol Red builds pylon and leaves Blue builds 5 gate I kill red pylon Blue keeps building I have sent a report to blizzard but this is the first I have seen this issue and honestly it is game breaking outside of 1v1. http://drop.sc/286684 I also just tested this with a friend, it is a serious bug in game and it defiantly needs to be addressed, if I have never heard or seen about this until now its a pretty elusive topic. Here is the game I just tested it with a friend vs computers Shared control or not the player who builds the pylon must leave the game prior to his ally abusing the power-field. http://drop.sc/286690 | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On December 22 2012 09:12 Fusa wrote: I would like you all to take a look at this, it is a 2v2 game with high masters. Please tell me if I am looney toon bat crazy, but his gateways have 0 pylons around them yet they never de-power and still produce units. I have sent a report to blizzard but this is the first I have seen this issue and honestly it is game breaking outside of 1v1. http://drop.sc/286684 Confirmed, gateways producing with 0 pylon power. Also at the start they immediately blind proxy. There is no split scout to check both bases for creep at the start - they both immediately go to your spawn (out of 2 possibilities, as they are shared team spawns). Had a feeling there'd be something fishy going on the moment I saw xS in the team name lol. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
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