Quite nice to hear!
Is there any way you can bring your laptop to play there? I don't have much hope, but I am still hoping for that, cause I am so much used to my laptop keyboard...

Krymming

Sweden38 Posts

May 12 2012 14:04 GMT

#407

Hmm, vacation in France... I don't see why not?

xou

France58 Posts

May 12 2012 14:31 GMT

#408

I'm definitely going!

I wonder if I could make them stream some Quake during a cool tourney

Willzzz

United Kingdom774 Posts

May 12 2012 14:32 GMT

#409

Indeed, sounds awesome.

helvete

Sweden276 Posts

May 12 2012 14:47 GMT

#410

On May 12 2012 08:34 JugJug wrote:

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On May 12 2012 08:14 GuitarBizarre wrote:

On May 11 2012 19:01 Ashiara wrote:
Hi there, so I've been reading all the 17 pages of comments and I have to say, as the co-owner of the bar (with Foxy), that your comments are really making our days

Seriously you guys are awesome !

Spread the word, let the world know what's comming !

To all of you speaking about other venues across the world (Australia, Germany, UK) we would just like to point out that we are the first one aiming that much at eSports and the scene. We are directly in contact with a few progamers and we are hoping to create a bond between the bar and our future online platform which will feature a lot of cool stuff (TV, real time interactions with the bar, big community etc etc).

Anyway, can't wait to see you all in the bar !

Ashiara

I've been to the Kyoto lounge multiple times. Its a gaming bar. Thats its primary purpose. It is a bar, with gaming. There is nothing about it that speaks to some sort of dual purpose. The bar, and the gaming at said bar, are the reason the place exists.

Frankly speaking, I'd respect you and your marketing a lot more if you simply admitted the error. You said gaming bar, you said first, and you put the two together.

You were not the first. In fact, the one in Berlin is also not the first, if the previous poster is correct in stating it has been open 6 months. The Kyoto lounge opened two years ago. It is a bar, they serve drinks, host tournaments and host barcrafts, and they market to a gamer crowd, therefore they have games.

I have nothing against you or your establishment. I wish you every success, but frankly speaking, you're trying to redefine what the term "Gaming Bar" means, to suit your own purposes. Its a No True Scotsman argument and it is logically inconsistent. Just please, admit that you were not the first gaming bar in Europe. It will do you far more good to show what reasonable people you are, and concede that point, than it will to continue arguing with me and others, all of whom know of older and more established gaming bars than your own.

Is the Kyoto Lounge the first gaming bar in Europe? I don't know. I have absolutely no idea. But thats fine because they're not claiming to be. They may not even be the first gaming bar in the UK, although to my knowledge they are in fact the first gaming bar in Europe. I state ambiguity only because I can't be certain and don't want to make a false claim.

But what they most certainly ARE, is a gaming bar, and one with a longer history than yours.

first, he said they're the first one aiming at X. you don't know what exactly their aim was nor the specific aim of the kyoto bar which you are taking it upon yourself to defend.

second, had he put "to my knowledge, we are the first....," your whole post would be unnecessary.

they're obviously excited about this new bar, and we should be happy they are part of the TL community and are adding to the thread. do we really need to make an ordeal about who was the first at this point?

now, if you see huge billboards with "first gaming bar," etc next time you're in paris, i think it'll be a better argument at that point.

everyone seems to be pretty pumped about this, and there's no reason to try and **** on it as soon as possible.

edit: lol...just realized the title of the thread contains "first gaming bar," but i'm going to stand behind my statements regardless.

So you realized you were wrong.. but you're standing behind it regardless? GuitarBizarre wasn't trying to **** on it at all as far as I can see. This is the meat of it: "I wish you every success, but frankly speaking, you're trying to redefine what the term "Gaming Bar" means, to suit your own purposes. Its a No True Scotsman argument and it is logically inconsistent.", and it's 100% correct. By your logic I could open up a gamer bar, claim it's the first one, and if someone linked this thread I'd just say "boohoo stop killing ESPORTS".

Foxy.

France126 Posts

May 12 2012 16:07 GMT

#411

Macpo, sure you can bring your laptop

As for Quake, we plan on streaming some, too!

Regarding the fight about the use of the word "first", sorry if we offended anyone. We researched about similar bars before opening ours, and didn't find anything like it in Europe: a regular bar mainly dedicated to sc2. We had only found gaming centers or cybercafe-like places.
I'm all willing to change the title if the community feels we're stealing someone.

On the bright side of things, the bar was fuller than ever yesterday, and we had a wonderful evening! Thanks guys, you're making eSports a better place, and that makes me HAPPY.

ESCViper

Germany19 Posts

May 12 2012 16:16 GMT

#412

Very nice i hope it will have success but it is not the first Gaming Bar in Europe. I dont know all but CK-99 in Germany is already open for like a year or more now and organized events like Battle in Berlin.
Anyways it will help eSport to grow.

UndoneJin

United States438 Posts

May 12 2012 18:50 GMT

#413

Really cool guys wish I lived in Europe so I could support. I'll definitely make my way over soon though, too cool not to.

teknotrance

61 Posts

May 12 2012 23:40 GMT

#414

I want this kind of bar in n.c right now! right now!

quest_5692

Malaysia57 Posts

May 13 2012 01:27 GMT

#415

HOLY SHIT! it is just a corner away from my uncle's apartment.

Svetz

Australia311 Posts

May 13 2012 01:38 GMT

#416

Definitely not the first gamer bar, as i was sat in kyoto a year ago drinking beers while playing sc2 but looks fun so good luck. Just a shame so few women follow sc2 otherwise I'd be tempted to go to these places more often =)

hnQ

113 Posts

May 13 2012 03:44 GMT

#417

On May 13 2012 01:07 Foxy. wrote:
Macpo, sure you can bring your laptop

The community shouldn't matter at all, it's just a case of bad information. Aiming at SC2 (not eSports) doesn't make your bar the first gaming bar in Europe,

beetlelisk

Poland2276 Posts

May 13 2012 04:06 GMT

#418

On May 13 2012 12:44 hnQ wrote:

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The community shouldn't matter at all, it's just a case of bad information. Aiming at SC2 (not eSports) doesn't make your bar the first gaming bar in Europe,

I personally don't care but it's strange the thread name wasn't changed to "France's first gaming bar"