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On May 17 2012 18:09 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 16:29 FuzzyJAM wrote:On May 17 2012 16:15 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 17 2012 16:08 FuzzyJAM wrote:
You honestly can't blame Wolf (and Khaldor, who said the same thing) for calling that game over.
ForGG did play embarrassingly. He should have won 100 times out of 100. Wolf made the right call. Has nothing to do with multiple wrong calls and EVERYTHING to do with player bashing. If you can't see that, I'm sorry. Maybe people like to see the players get shit on because it makes them feel better. I agree in general that Wolf is overly negative. This is not one such occasion. Edit: In regards to not admitting to a mistake because he's arrogant, how about him repeatedly saying "Sorry, I'm not on the ball today, keep messing up"? Like. . .how much more admittance do you need? I didn't watch the whole cast. He doesn't have to say "sorry." Just admit his mistake and move on, something he failed to do over and over again while at the same time criticizing the players. He just needs to stop the player bashing. I can live with his arrogance. That is all. edit: Every single player in code a went through the rigorous code b qualifiers, one of the hardest in the world. Some of them are from code S where they played for many seasons. These players deserve the utmost respect, every single one of them. It sickens me when Wolf bashes some of the best players Code A has to offer. No player deserves that.
What I said is almost a word for word quotation of Wolf.
He did apologise for making a lot of mistakes and admitted to them. If you didn't watch the whole cast then that's not Wolf's fault. He did what you're criticising for not doing. :|
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On May 09 2012 21:02 iYiYi wrote:
Wolf+Artosis is in my opinion the best casting duo. I wish those 2 could cast together more.
Personaly for me this is more enjoyable then Tastosis 
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Wolf is terrible. I'm sorry to be so blunt, you can look at my earlier comment in this thread for more constructive criticism. But I'm watching MLG Spring Arena and Wolf's bullshit not knowing wtf he's talking about is so apparent in relation to dApollo, it's disgusting.
Wolf: stop criticizing players in a matchup (zvz) where you have no idea what you are talking about. Please stfu and be deferential if you don't know what you are saying.
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My gripes with Wolf are his overall attitude at times, sometimes it's better to spin things in a positive way as opposed to always falling into negatives. Casters like dApollo and Artosis do this so well.
Also, talking over your fellow casters is just rude, it happens sometimes, but he's just cutting off his co-caster at times, just have some conversational etiquette.
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Wolf can be hard on players no doubt.
Overall though, he really is one of the best casters we have and we should be appreciative that this guy cares enough to put the kind of effort he does into his casting.
Wolf + Artosis really are pretty incredible together. Artosis keeps Wolf in line too on his comments, its pretty funny actually 
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Makes poll complaining about someone being negative for the sole purpose of try to validate his own negativity.
Fails.
I love it.
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I like Wolf's casting a lot: he has the ability to explain most of the situations at a level I'm comfortable with and he seems happy to be casting, which shows in his speech after an exciting game. He might be a bit negative about some styles but most of the time I think it is realistic, given the current metagame.
I didn't like the Wolf-Artosis combination all that much, because after some games, it seemed they couldn't decide who had to said what. That resulted in "I have so much to say about this game" from both casters, from which I get the feeling: "just say it!" But maybe that will become less of an issue when they cast more together.
The best thing about Wolf is the fact that he does something Korean casters do a lot, but other English casters seem to do far less: calling what a player has to do in the game. For example: "he has to connect his creep now" or "he must make sure he places bunkers and pull scv's". This adds to depth in casting and it doesn't really matter if the casters go wrong with this, players will always do something they see fit.
I hope you can keep up this growth from the past months Wolf and you'll become a main figure for casting within a year. Good job and keep it up!
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I'd say he's the second best caster out there (Artosis being the best).
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Wolf is so good. He knows a lot about the game and the players as well. And he's never stumbling over his words, he always has something to say and articulates his thoughts well. Wolf is a top 3 caster.
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Ya I have to agree with the majority on this one. Wolf is a great caster. Great game knowledge and is able to explain it to the viewers well. Maybe he's negative sometimes but its not like hes bashing every player he comes across.
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The three best casters right now are probably Artosis, Wolf and Apollo. I'll agree that Wolf can be too negative sometimes, and often bashes on a player too much, but he provides a helpful insight into each game.
Overall, he's pretty good.
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Wolf is a good caster with great game knowledge. Please stop talking about hair so much.
Casters should focus on ways to kill time without telling ridiculous stories that aren't related to starcraft. Khaldor does an excellent job of this, he always reminisces about players personalities, traits, practice habits or just time he has spent with them. This is the best time killer for early game boring stuff. Artosis and tasteless keep telling stupid stories, or asking each other irrelevant questions that no one really cares about.
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I used to love Wolf, and I actually think Artosis/Wolf is the best combination of overall game knowledge casting combo around. The day when Tasteless was sick brought some really good commentary (since there were a bunch of Protosses in that group haha).
However, the series that has finally changed my view on his casting style was the aforementioned ForGG vs IMHappy series. The casting in game one was fairly good until they started the whole "Oh I'm going to give him $50 if he gets out of this" deal. At that point it is not your point to call the game over even if it clearly is so. Having listened to enough Brood War commentary at this point they stilll manage to make even the most obviously over games exciting because they're still happy and are going full-tilt. I don't get that from most English commentary in general and hearing "oh this game should have been over" for roughly 15 minutes of game time is not a cast, it's a constant negative criticism. AND it actually detrimented their ability to give me useful information (even though I caught things they missed because they were so hyped out). Some things specifically that come to mind is Happy's upgrades and Happy's play throughout that game.
This whole criticism I am writing now is actually in relation to Cloud's vlog about casters, and I fully agree with Cloud on some of his main points. Casting needs to get out of this player bashing culture and Wolf is the worst caster in this regard, constantly pointing out "oh I wouldn't do this style" or x, y, z, etc. Artosis is even better about it than this and Artosis is one of the most critical casters in the business. You are there to cast the game in front of you, not to personally attack the players that are sitting right there playing far better than you ever will.
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What he's saying is fine, but he is too "stiff".
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He's a really really good caster!
The one thing he could work on is not being so negative towards the things players do. They probably have a very good reason to do their build. And usually it's not even about things in the game more like Wolf doesn't generally like their style or strat. I can't tell about all the mu's but when I watch his commentary of Zerg players I can tell that some of his criticism isn't nessecarily true at all. I dunno, sometimes it seems like alot of veiwers mistake this criticism of the players for actual game knowledge.
That being said he's definitely one of the better casters and that's saying alot cause I truly feel we are spoiled by great casters in the SC2 scene
I really like how he works with his Co-casters too! His laughter and jokes and good mood always makes it an enjoyable cast when he is on. <3
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I really enjoy Wolf's casting -- voted "excellent."
It's a fallacy that person A must have the skill of person B in order to make accurate comments regarding person B's decisions/actions. This fallacy is especially rampant on the ol' internet. Wolf makes a lot of insightful comments ragarding pro players, and no pro player is perfect. However, in this vein Wolf could benefit from assuming that a pro player does something for a purpose, and then breaking down this assumption with reason. This may lead to MORE insight into a player because it puts the analyst in the position of first considering all the reasons the player may have made a certain choice.
All in all, good job Wolf!
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On May 09 2012 20:51 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
By far his biggest problem is that he acts like a coach when casting. He tends to point out what he perceives as flaws in a player's game plan and then proceeds to give his (often wrong) Master league advice on how Code A progamers ought to play the game. While he is an analytic caster and does a good job of it, I couldn't care less about his opinion on a player's strategy or playstyle. Analyze don't criticize.
This sums up my opinion perfectly. He has the potential to be a great caster, but this is the major thing that holds him back in my opinion and often times frustrates me or gets me slightly annoyed when listening. Artosis is constantly trying to find the direction or intentions of the player regardless of a mistake. While Wolf does this sometimes, often times he will say things like a players strategy is wrong without actually taking into account WHY they did that strategy and what happened to make their plan fail. Casters and viewers have complete information whereas players have incomplete information but still have to make important game changing decisions.
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I'd like it if wolf stopped attempting to criticize the players he casts. It's really annoying to constantly hear about every little thing that either him or Khaldor thinks are mistakes. Talk more about the game and less about how you think the players could be playing better. Don't act like you know something if you aren't sure, be humble.
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i really dont like his casting; he's one of the worst casters at controlling his voice, and it just sounds bad whenever he gets excited
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EPT
