EPTAccusations against Eclypsia - Page 7
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Aunvilgod
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:16 SirPsychoMantis wrote: One thing that is pretty interesting from this post is that 13200€ - 18000€ ($17,352 - $23,664) a year salary per player is considered a dream as an esports competitor + 100% of tournament earnings and ofc free sponsor shit like headsets, gfx cards(which you can sell ofc) etc etc | ||
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windzor
Denmark1013 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:24 SirPsychoMantis wrote: Sorry I didn't specify, I did the calculatons for per player (given 5 players), so including the manager I guess it would be a bit lower. Also it definitely would be a good salary if housing and food were provided, however if not that is looking close to minimum wage (US). Also requiring 12(!) hours of streaming a day seem a bit rediculous. No housing or anything, it's all wage, and then the team would get winnings and I would guess stream money. But it's below minimum wage, or really close, in Denmark.. I think it's actually below what you get from the goverment when you are unemployed, if my math is correct. | ||
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windzor
Denmark1013 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:27 DwD wrote: + 100% of tournament earnings and ofc free sponsor shit like headsets, gfx cards(which you can sell ofc) etc etc Read the interview. They didn't get 100% tournament money... And they had no sponsors, so they only gave equipment in order to do the streaming part... | ||
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huehuehuehue
Estonia455 Posts
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A-p-p-l-e-s
Canada314 Posts
but if its real that just sucks | ||
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SirPsychoMantis
United States180 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:27 DwD wrote: + 100% of tournament earnings and ofc free sponsor shit like headsets, gfx cards(which you can sell ofc) etc etc Which is something that kinda sucks about esports, either you are at the top of the top players making a decent amount or you are living in poverty. | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Raid
United States398 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:38 Jono7272 wrote: So its pretty much a "hit this many viewers on your streams or don't get paid" kind of deal? Not cool. Eclypsia looking more and more like a very seedy organisation. Do you see anything wrong in Eclypsia wanting some ROI for the salary they offered? If they didn't like the deal then all they had to say was "no, thank you" and walk away. | ||
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huehuehuehue
Estonia455 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:37 SirPsychoMantis wrote: Which is something that kinda sucks about esports, either you are at the top of the top players making a decent amount or you are living in poverty. That depends on where you are living, in America that might not be a lot, but in Eastern Europe for example it is a decent amount of money. | ||
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
"(Wiki2)Eclypsia which everyone in the Starcraft community should know about at this point, having recently signed players such as (Z)Scarlett, (P)desRow and (T)Artist, the team has shot out of nowhere to be quite the presence in the E-sports world, not only for Starcraft 2, but also for DotA 2." I wish i never knew about this team. (obv im not talking about the players themselves) | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
I hope the players aren't totally screwed though. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:39 nkr wrote: I think people need to realize that they were never in Eclypsia, and weren't treated badly just because Eclypsia set demands they couldn't meet. I honestly don't see what Eclypsia did wrong (except seeming amateurish in asking them to seek sponsors, which I doubt even happened). This 10000 times. Now if Eclypsia suddenly had come up with strange conditions after signing the players, it would have been a problem. But telling them tese conditions before signing them, how is that even an issue? Just sad how easily this community jumps on every hate bandwagon out there. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:20 TheDougler wrote: It does mean Eclypsia is in the wrong. They exploited their players to bring them publicity. Here's my post from a couple pages back that got buried pretty quick: Nobody's using that to say Eclypsia is unprofessional. It was just strike one. Not a big deal. The meme contest however WAS truely unprofessional and really lets you know what Eclypsia is about: Exploitation. "Hey, we have two starcraft 2 players who are REALLY easy to make fun of." "Hmm, are they good players?" "Yeah, but FUCKEM! Lets let the internet make fun of them and REWARD the people who do it best! It'll generate mad income bro!" And now they're trying to get their Dota team to do their work for them and threatening with not paying them if they don't. Seriously, fuck these guys. Are you sure "nobody" is using the April Fool's Joke to show taht Eclypsia is unprofessional? If you missed my post, I repeat my condemnation for the meme thread, if it matters much at all. However! That's not to say this instance was Eclypsia's fault. While we look for past actions for context, we still need some real evidence - which is lacking. I'll echo the response of other level-headed posters here: where is the contract, transcript etc. with details of the deal? | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:40 nkr wrote: Do you see anything wrong in Eclypsia wanting some ROI for the salary they offered? If they didn't like the deal then all they had to say was "no, thank you" and walk away. Lol, hitting so many viewers is not something anyone can guarantee. Its not a reasonable demand. What happens the weeks the players do not get 5000+ viewers? They don't get paid? If it was just, stream this many hours a week. That's fine. Stupid demands are stupid. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
I feel bad for the roster as they have just recently joined =[ | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:43 Jono7272 wrote: Lol, hitting so many viewers is not something anyone can guarantee. Its not a reasonable demand. What happens the weeks the players do not get 5000+ viewers? They don't get paid? If it was just, stream this many hours a week. That's fine. Stupid demands are stupid. Whether it's reasonable or not is not the question, and doesn't actually matter in this case. Eclypsia are being accused of mistreating someone. Which hasn't happened. If they feel it was unreasonable then just say no to the contract offer. | ||
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