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On January 05 2013 08:19 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 08:17 InfCereal wrote:On January 05 2013 08:07 skeldark wrote:
yes. They changed the offsets thats what he calls adjustments.
Will need some days to get enough data to calculate them.
Fastest way would be a master account that loose every game down to bronze with good data all the way down. I can do that. I have a smurf. URL, if you need it: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3960115/1/xOCereal/I'll bottom him out right now. make sure to wait long enough that the pretrigger fully runs before you leave. Wait: some problem i did not think about. You are master and stay if you loose but your opponent is not. Nah damit forget it i think you get normal results = many caped in the interesting area. But the switch games are interesting. Games where the league of opponent change between the games.
I'll just do it anyway, see what you can see.
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On January 05 2013 08:26 InfCereal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 08:19 skeldark wrote:On January 05 2013 08:17 InfCereal wrote:On January 05 2013 08:07 skeldark wrote:
yes. They changed the offsets thats what he calls adjustments.
Will need some days to get enough data to calculate them.
Fastest way would be a master account that loose every game down to bronze with good data all the way down. I can do that. I have a smurf. URL, if you need it: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3960115/1/xOCereal/I'll bottom him out right now. make sure to wait long enough that the pretrigger fully runs before you leave. Wait: some problem i did not think about. You are master and stay if you loose but your opponent is not. Nah damit forget it i think you get normal results = many caped in the interesting area. But the switch games are interesting. Games where the league of opponent change between the games. I'll just do it anyway, see what you can see.
Nah not worth the time. I have so many users we get the data its just a question of time.
The biggest problem is that very few bronze silver guys using this tool and i dont get data of this area.
However i can guess it and adjust later.
This will shift all mmr up or down so it only shift the graph +promotion lines.
Thats what i have so far:
+ Show Spoiler +Sortstring AVG MIN MAX GAMETIME
EU-diamond-master 434 387 481 1357309467392 460 42
EU-diamond-master 416 369 463 1357310218705 460 60
EU-diamond-master 387 356 418 1357340071277 290 -81
EU-diamond-master 415 368 462 1357305417780 457 26
EU-diamond-master 437 390 484 1357306372554 457 4
EU-diamond-master 385 345 425 1357307698870 399 30
EU-diamond-master 357 326 388 1357313613455 353 12
EU-diamond-master 401 366 436 1357334289211 320 -65
EU-diamond-master 379 347 411 1357334875778 320 -43
EU-diamond-master 395 357 433 1357336839516 319 -60
EU-diamond-master 372 339 405 1357305572785 258 -130
EU-diamond-master 400 363 437 1357330671324 265 -151
EU-diamond-master 376 339 413 1357310766628 228 -164
EU-diamond-master 405 370 440 1357332130204 368 -21
EU-diamond-master 398 362 434 1357303084608 353 -29
EU-diamond-master 395 355 435 1357325446855 397 18
EU-diamond-master 390 354 426 1357327769061 332 -42
EU-diamond-master 371 334 408 1357326548087 353 -2
EU-diamond-master 430 383 477 1357332052411 409 -5
EU-diamond-master 368 327 409 1357337410489 442 90
EU-diamond-master 391 351 431 1357338960513 466 59
EU-gold-platinum 385 345 425 1357327903396 577 176
US-diamond-master 367 336 398 1357292412790 248 -103
US-diamond-master 362 331 393 1357298438894 276 -102
US-diamond-master 365 333 397 1357299121436 247 -102
US-diamond-master 362 315 409 1357326078344 428 82
US-diamond-master 369 322 416 1357327035096 428 75
US-diamond-master 376 329 423 1357328444914 487 95
US-diamond-master 347 319 375 1357310790500 404 73
US-diamond-master 365 330 400 1357314537891 387 38
US-diamond-master 360 328 392 1357318384245 365 21
US-diamond-master 343 311 375 1357319200344 365 38
US-diamond-master 374 334 414 1357336918707 312 -46
US-diamond-master 367 336 398 1357302310061 305 -46
US-diamond-master 363 322 404 1357288241021 294 -53
US-diamond-master 400 359 441 1357333560734 302 -114
US-diamond-master 367 337 397 1357336313498 272 -111
US-diamond-master 357 327 387 1357336896529 272 -101
US-diamond-master 349 317 381 1357337939560 232 -101
US-diamond-master 397 350 444 1357326419427 383 2
US-diamond-master 400 359 441 1357326134522 300 -84
US-diamond-master 356 322 390 1357317085528 223 -149
US-master-diamond 80 21 139 1357289500971 415 319
So EU diamond went from 300 to 400
and US diamond from 300 to -375
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I think it will shift down because my Plat MMR is showing as Dia MMR right now :/
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On January 05 2013 08:30 Chillyo wrote:
I think it will shift down because my Plat MMR is showing as Dia MMR right now :/
Depends like i said diamond got bigger.
Platinum can be smaller but no data about that yet.
So i dont know if the increase from diamond comes from master or platinum.
It looks liek gold get smaller but 1 datapoint is not enough to tell. This data have unkown error-margin
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Hmm, maybe I'll jump into DIA soon then, I could live with that.
I think plat got smaller because I fell into gold and had to win like 20 games to get back to plat, and then I spiked up toward Diamond. My thoughts are that people who were masters and dropped to diamond are returning to masters rapidly, opening up lots of DIA slots.
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Nah not worth the time. I have so many users we get the data its just a question of time.
The biggest problem is that very few bronze silver guys using this tool and i dont get data of this area.
However i can guess it and adjust later.
This will shift all mmr up or down so it only shift the graph +promotion lines.
NA silver here, how many games do you think it's a good amount?
I was trying the plugin out of curiosity, but if my having it running helps in some way, I'm more than happy to contribute to make it more accurate. I like data 
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On January 05 2013 08:37 enanoretozon wrote:Show nested quote +
Nah not worth the time. I have so many users we get the data its just a question of time.
The biggest problem is that very few bronze silver guys using this tool and i dont get data of this area.
However i can guess it and adjust later.
This will shift all mmr up or down so it only shift the graph +promotion lines.
NA silver here, how many games do you think it's a good amount? I was trying the plugin out of curiosity, but if my having it running helps in some way, I'm more than happy to contribute to make it more accurate. I like data
Not that easy. I need 2 games. Both in a row. Both good games. In one of the games a silver in the other a bronze opponent. And if you are between 2 leagues you have very high change to produce bad games. If you are not you have no chance of playing different leagues.
You see why i only get few out of thousends ^^
On January 05 2013 08:36 Chillyo wrote:
Hmm, maybe I'll jump into DIA soon then, I could live with that.
I think plat got smaller because I fell into gold and had to win like 20 games to get back to plat, and then I spiked up toward Diamond. My thoughts are that people who were masters and dropped to diamond are returning to masters rapidly, opening up lots of DIA slots.
Does not work this way. Only GM have slots. Rest is total mmr depending.
That is decided by offsets. They are the mmr diffrence between leagues.
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You sure the first games I did in the beginning of the season weren't good? I'm pretty sure I played a bronze, silver, gold, and plat before I jumped back to plat, and the games I did check the log were 75% good data.
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On January 05 2013 08:41 Chillyo wrote:
You sure the first games I did in the beginning of the season weren't good? I'm pretty sure I played a bronze, silver, gold, and plat before I jumped back to plat, and the games I did check the log were 75% good data.
100% is good data for me. Rest only indicates how much went wrong ^^
75% means caped in most cases.
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Ah I see, well I might indeed be able to help, this is my graph as of last night http://i.imgur.com/zJS5U.jpg and I often have these horrible losing streaks so playing a bronze in one game and a silver in the other is not that uncommon for me.
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Ah I see.
So if I win the next few games I shouldn't expect to get to DIA? I'm like 20 MMR away according to the current chart.
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On January 05 2013 08:47 Chillyo wrote:
Ah I see.
So if I win the next few games I shouldn't expect to get to DIA? I'm like 20 MMR away according to the current chart.
Dont trust the current chart
Games will be correct as soon as i put the new offsets in the database.
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assuming that the plugin was working correctly.. is, for example, the Grandmaster indicator line at 2600 MMR supposed to mean that the average GM player has 2600 MMR? or that's the MMR needed to get to GM?
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On January 06 2013 06:44 Zelniq wrote:
assuming that the plugin was working correctly.. is, for example, the Grandmaster indicator line at 2600 MMR supposed to mean that the average GM player has 2600 MMR? or that's the MMR needed to get to GM?
The lines are the promotion lines; 2600 is basically the minimum MMR to get promoted to GM.
Not sure about other leagues, but apparently with masters 50% of the population is in the bottom 10% of masters MMR.
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Graph just adjusted for me, put my MMR back down in plat which is right. 1/4 of the way to dia :D
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jI0rh.png)
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On January 06 2013 06:44 Zelniq wrote:
assuming that the plugin was working correctly.. is, for example, the Grandmaster indicator line at 2600 MMR supposed to mean that the average GM player has 2600 MMR? or that's the MMR needed to get to GM?
Never turst the GM line. GM line change all the time. I dont hunt it down.
It raise with the season. THe value i put in is from average minimum gm mmr of last seasons.
I dont know the offsets of the new season guys. DONT TRUST THE GRAPH this week!
However with enough data i can calculate offsets and all data you collected so far will get corrected.
So far i know:
Master line is 50-100 higher copare to diamond!
Diamond line is x higher compare to platinum!
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Hmm, my MMR went down after 1 win, why does it do that?
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Well i dont know why my mmr thing wont work. i have it for the eu server done. in this season i added my na account too, but after 21game no data for me.
log for my last game:
1:59 FATALERROR WEBGRABBER Wrong Season! Update your DB File! READ: 11 EXPEXPEXT: 10 1:59 Webgrabber: Player false 1:59:11 FATALERROR WEBGRABBER Wrong Season! Update your DB File! READ: 11 EXPEXPEXT: 10 1:59:11 Webgrabber: Opponent false 1:59:11 ERROR Start with bad player 1:59:11 ERROR Start with bad player 1:59:11 ERROR LASTCHECK : Both players invalid 1:59:11 Gamecheck: false 1:59:11 ERROR BAD GAME 1:59:11 DATACOLLECTION IS LOCKED AT THE MOMENT! 1:59:11 Visist TL Thread for more information! 1:59:11 POST-Trigger done 1:59:11 Player-data-Qualitiy: 0% 1:59:11 Opponent-data-Qualitiy: 0% 1:59:12 FATALERROR Uploader: Failed 1:59:12 Ladder Game Done! 1:59:12 --------------------------
ANALYSER Gamecount: 21 ------------------------------------------------------------ Finetuning: Avg dif :15.238095 Avg dif after finetune :15.238095
0%?
any idea?
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You should be on MMR stats version 7.9 and database 11.1
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Shit my provider blocked the page. Could someone please upload the new Zip to rapidshare or something like that? would really appreciate it
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