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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On May 26 2012 01:25 mememolly wrote: should have invited idra or some other foreigner, lastshadow invite is indefensible kinda funny how everyone's photo is like a pro photo from an event and lastshadow's is some webcam screengrab, sums it up really I disagree with the Lastshadow invite as well, but don't weaken your own argument by suggesting Idra. The guy has a sub 33% winrate for the year | ||
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Natespank
Canada449 Posts
Kick some ass Ls. | ||
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ReAson75
United States130 Posts
On May 26 2012 01:55 Logros wrote: Is there any broadcast tonight? The player interview panel will be streamed live from 8pm - 10pm CDT. If you haven't, check out these articles about the players that Red Bull just released! QuanticIllusion: Dark Horse Rising HuK: Time for a Resurgence? Three Stories to Follow at Red Bull Battlegrounds | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
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jdsowa
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ntssauce
Germany750 Posts
On May 26 2012 02:00 Bagration wrote: I disagree with the Lastshadow invite as well, but don't weaken your own argument by suggesting Idra. The guy has a sub 33% winrate for the year i copied my post from reddit with some edit so you understand FUCKING READ IT !: On some of those 3 shows by djwheat and jp (sotg, lo3, itg) they talked about how hard it is to get known in starcraft and that Scarlett had to beat top top Koreans to get at least a little known. So they basically talked about how hard it is to get far in the mlg open brackets and how its hard to get known as a lesser player . after that they said: we have to support them more so , the top shoudln't be that stagnant and need some new wind. But as soon as our lovely Day has the balls to get lastshadow, everybody cries and bitches. So it seems that people do not really want to give newcomers a chance. Important is: that even another 4th American (it had to be a foreigner afaik ) would have been knocked out of the group ,same as ls is probably going to be knocked out . Take any EG player f.e, incontrol, idra or machine. Nobody would say a word about them getting invited, but they would also die in that group. So instead of inviting a known American who will fail as he did in other events, why don't we give a lesser known player a chance. Example: I would rather see jecho than idra, because as explained both wouldn't probably get out of their group, but rather give new players a shot. Written on phone sry for mistakes . | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On May 26 2012 02:07 jdsowa wrote: A-Rod/Pettite/Ortiz/etc all got caught cheating at baseball *while they were adults*. And they are still playing the game. LS did something foolish as a 14 year old adolescent, and is still blacklisted. I'm glad that what I did as a 14-y/o didn't hamper my ability to find a job once I became of age. I'm all for the community taking a strong stand on bad behavior, but I'm not sure it's right to try LS as an adult here and give him a lifetime ban. If I'm missing something else here, then please fill me in. People are mad because he got the invite for the sole reason that he is Day9's buddy, provides him replays for dailies etc. That is a fact. But still, inviting him generated lots of conversation. And all publicity is good publicity i guess. I hope he does well, but won't hold my breath. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On May 26 2012 02:14 ntssauce wrote: i copied my post from reddit with some edit so you understand FUCKING READ IT !: On some of those 3 shows by djwheat and jp (sotg, lo3, itg) they talked about how hard it is to get known in starcraft and that Scarlett had to beat top top Koreans to get at least a little known. So they basically talked about how hard it is to get far in the mlg open brackets and how its hard to get known as a lesser player . after that they said: we have to support them more so , the top shoudln't be that stagnant and need some new wind. But as soon as our lovely Day has the balls to get lastshadow, everybody cries and bitches. So it seems that people do not really want to give newcomers a chance. Important is: that even another 4th American (it had to be a foreigner afaik ) would have been knocked out of the group ,same as ls is probably going to be knocked out . Take any EG player f.e, incontrol, idra or machine. Nobody would say a word about them getting invited, but they would also die in that group. So instead of inviting a known American who will fail as he did in other events, why don't we give a lesser known player a chance. Example: I would rather see jecho than idra, because as explained both wouldn't probably get out of their group, but rather give new players a shot. Written on phone sry for mistakes . Because that's why he did it right? As opposed to just getting his friend an invite. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On May 26 2012 02:07 jdsowa wrote: A-Rod/Pettite/Ortiz/etc all got caught cheating at baseball *while they were adults*. And they are still playing the game. LS did something foolish as a 14 year old adolescent, and is still blacklisted. I'm glad that what I did as a 14-y/o didn't hamper my ability to find a job once I became of age. I'm all for the community taking a strong stand on bad behavior, but I'm not sure it's right to try LS as an adult here and give him a lifetime ban. If I'm missing something else here, then please fill me in. LS is hardly blacklisted. He got to live in the GOM house for six months for free! TT1 was a once a caught cheater too, but his career turned out just fine. What's the difference? TT1 has results. | ||
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GreenNOM
Canada24 Posts
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ntssauce
Germany750 Posts
On May 26 2012 02:32 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: Because that's why he did it right? As opposed to just getting his friend an invite. that's not the point, i'm talking in general and not only refering to lastshadow, did you read the example with jEcho? | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
 Looking forward to the broadcast! | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
On May 26 2012 02:02 Natespank wrote: What a disgusting troll thread. Kick some ass Ls. Seriously. I am a LS fan, have been since I watched his first 24 marathon. Yes I know he cheated Yes I know he BM's Yes I know there are better players But it doesn't matter. The kid moved to Korea because he wants to be the best. He is living in another country trying to make this shit work. I can respect the hustle and the grind, and he is pretty good to boot. If he gets on a Korean team, I'm fairly confident he will get into code A. I did some pretty stupid shit when I was young. Unless he cheats in SC2 I don't see what the problem supporting him and wanting him to do well. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On May 26 2012 02:16 Jarree wrote: People are mad because he got the invite for the sole reason that he is Day9's buddy, provides him replays for dailies etc. That is a fact. But still, inviting him generated lots of conversation. And all publicity is good publicity i guess. I hope he does well, but won't hold my breath. Is it actually a fact ? Are they really friends ? Didn't ls publically released his replays and not just gave them to Day9 ? | ||
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TumNarDok
Germany854 Posts
G1: violet, illusion G2: Taeja, Sheth G3: Ostojiy, Bomber G4: Lastshadow, Squirtle Strange that i just put many of the NA players to make it out of groups, however they are a good selection of current high performers. Taeja 1st, violet 2nd, Squirtle, Ostojiy 3rd overall PS: community, stop destroying yourselves. silly boys. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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SilverJohnny
United States885 Posts
And after all, don't we just want an interesting tournament? | ||
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Dakure
United States513 Posts
On May 26 2012 02:14 ntssauce wrote: i copied my post from reddit with some edit so you understand FUCKING READ IT !: On some of those 3 shows by djwheat and jp (sotg, lo3, itg) they talked about how hard it is to get known in starcraft and that Scarlett had to beat top top Koreans to get at least a little known. So they basically talked about how hard it is to get far in the mlg open brackets and how its hard to get known as a lesser player . after that they said: we have to support them more so , the top shoudln't be that stagnant and need some new wind. But as soon as our lovely Day has the balls to get lastshadow, everybody cries and bitches. So it seems that people do not really want to give newcomers a chance. Important is: that even another 4th American (it had to be a foreigner afaik ) would have been knocked out of the group ,same as ls is probably going to be knocked out . Take any EG player f.e, incontrol, idra or machine. Nobody would say a word about them getting invited, but they would also die in that group. So instead of inviting a known American who will fail as he did in other events, why don't we give a lesser known player a chance. Example: I would rather see jecho than idra, because as explained both wouldn't probably get out of their group, but rather give new players a shot. Written on phone sry for mistakes . See, I'm not sure I agree 100% with this. Mostly because of the difference between merit-based tournaments with qualifiers and invite-based tournaments. Regarding lesser known players become better known, I think the steps that many tournaments have taken in changing their invite-based systems in favour of qualifier systems have helped with that. While it is true that it's very difficult to get recognized in the community, this is only true because of the amount of skill/talent in most tournaments today. But I think that most people already have the chance to get recognized. Like Scarlett, anyone could enter an Open Bracket (MLG, IPL, Dreamhack, Code A, Korean Weeklies, etc). And like Scarlett, anyone (given enough skill) can beat Koreans and make a name for themselves. The only thing stopping people from doing this is their own skill. That is, they can enter tournaments but they might now win against top players. In merit based tournaments, if a player pool is stagnant, then that is because the top players are very stable and just in a league of their own. Should lesser known players be given seeds or spots in merit-based tournaments? I don't think so because it devalues the meritocracy. So I disagree with the idea that the top shouldn't be stagnant. But this is an invite based tournament, and it seemed to invite players considering skill/merit but other factors too. And that's fine. So in this case, I do agree with you that inviting up and coming players has its own benefits (particularly inviting platers like ostojiy, jecho, lastshadow over familiar idra/machine/tlo/etc). But even when doing this, I believe that the 'up-and-coming player' should be a player that has demonstrated a reason to be invited. Even when looking at the players that we've named, it's clear that they've done something to make us notice them. Ostojiy and jecho made notable runs in MLG Open brackets and LastShadow does his vlog things. So we have already noticed them, they are good players, and this is now just a chance to propel them to the next level. So yes, given the fact that this is an invite-based tournament (which already devalues its meritocracy), and that there might have been a quota on non-Koreans, I do agree that giving a moderately known player a chance to succeed is a good idea. Could there have been an invite of better skill? Probably, but this isn't the goal of the tournament. If MLG did something like this, it'd seem to contradict their fundamentals. | ||
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