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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 25 2012 11:46 GMT
#621
On May 25 2012 20:12 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 18:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TT1 always overrates Ret.

overrate and Ret in one sentence, now I've seen everything :D

You don't until you saw IdrA and winning in the same sentence.
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
May 25 2012 11:52 GMT
#622
I'm picking:

Ganzi/Violet
Taeja/Sase
Bomber/MC
Parting/Squirtle
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2012 11:56 GMT
#623
On May 25 2012 17:23 mTwTT1 wrote:
i think lastshadow is being made a scapegoat for a much larger issue which i wont bring up ^.^,

So The grudge between IdrA and Day[9] got Last Shadow invited?
+ Show Spoiler +
I am putting words in your mouth.
I had a good night of sleep.
huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
May 25 2012 12:49 GMT
#624
On May 25 2012 17:23 mTwTT1 wrote:
i think lastshadow is being made a scapegoat for a much larger issue which i wont bring up ^.^, even tho i also agree that he doesnt deserve his spot in the tournament the same could be said for osto and he hasnt received nearly as much hate as lastshadow has

i for one could care less if player x gets invited over player y in a tournament, a good player will always find a way to showcase his skill regardless of what tournament he gets invited to, if its not this tournament it'll be the next one. im actually excited to see some new blood within the competitive scene, makes it much more exciting and im sure everyone is curious to see how well they stake up against high level players

edit: oh yea and my picks are:

GanZi
Illusion
Stephano <
Violet <

Group 2
Sheth
Taeja <
Thorzain
SaSe <

Group 3
Bomber
Ostojiy
HuK <
MC <

Group 4
Ret <
LastShadow
PartinG
Squirtle <

with ret winning it all unless he runs into stephano

Why mention it when you don't want to elaborate on that issue?
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
May 25 2012 12:53 GMT
#625
On May 25 2012 21:49 huehuehuehue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 17:23 mTwTT1 wrote:
i think lastshadow is being made a scapegoat for a much larger issue which i wont bring up ^.^, even tho i also agree that he doesnt deserve his spot in the tournament the same could be said for osto and he hasnt received nearly as much hate as lastshadow has

i for one could care less if player x gets invited over player y in a tournament, a good player will always find a way to showcase his skill regardless of what tournament he gets invited to, if its not this tournament it'll be the next one. im actually excited to see some new blood within the competitive scene, makes it much more exciting and im sure everyone is curious to see how well they stake up against high level players

edit: oh yea and my picks are:

GanZi
Illusion
Stephano <
Violet <

Group 2
Sheth
Taeja <
Thorzain
SaSe <

Group 3
Bomber
Ostojiy
HuK <
MC <

Group 4
Ret <
LastShadow
PartinG
Squirtle <

with ret winning it all unless he runs into stephano

Why mention it when you don't want to elaborate on that issue?

Because now we know that he knows!
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
May 25 2012 13:03 GMT
#626
Is it really starting at 3amCET? SIGH Q.Q
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
May 25 2012 13:19 GMT
#627
On May 25 2012 22:03 CaM27 wrote:
Is it really starting at 3amCET? SIGH Q.Q


It's only a preview. The tournament starts saturday 19 CET afaik.
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
May 25 2012 13:29 GMT
#628
Is the stream free?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Dahkar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States13 Posts
May 25 2012 13:54 GMT
#629
Going to be hitting happy hour with a buddy at a near by bar before the Pre-Show tonight! Feel free to PM me if you'd like to join.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
May 25 2012 14:06 GMT
#630
Ah damn, just noticed it was a preview and the tournament a day after.
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
May 25 2012 14:14 GMT
#631
On May 25 2012 22:29 Mozdk wrote:
Is the stream free?

Yes.

As for LS, I don't believe he's all that great, though he is a good pro player and he could kick our asses in a game any day of the week.

However, Squirtle and Parting are right up there with MC's calibur of PvT. Both are fucking beasts and I severely doubt LS has any chance whatsoever of getting out of the group. I really doubt LS is gonna beat Ret as well unless he plays really aggressively early in the game (I'm talking Proxy Rax), but with the Queen buff I doubt that'd work either.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
May 25 2012 14:31 GMT
#632
i dont get those invites...

how are illusion sheth lastshadow and ostojiy supposed to win even one game? (sheth might have a chance i guess...)

they will get completely destroyed will gain almost nothing from the tournament and the viewers won't get to see the best games possible.
I don't understand why the don't invite a few more internationally strong players like kas mana socke hasu nerchio bling or someone else ...

while generally a supporter of the idea to get some newcomers into the scene but letting them get destroyed by some of the best koreans is just not the way to do it imo

we saw some of illusion's and ostojiy's performances at international tournaments and i think we can say that they were not ready yet
they might be very good in their regions but i don't think they are capable of playing on an international stage yet
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
May 25 2012 15:07 GMT
#633
On May 25 2012 23:31 sVnteen wrote:
i dont get those invites...

how are illusion sheth lastshadow and ostojiy supposed to win even one game? (sheth might have a chance i guess...)

they will get completely destroyed will gain almost nothing from the tournament and the viewers won't get to see the best games possible.
I don't understand why the don't invite a few more internationally strong players like kas mana socke hasu nerchio bling or someone else ...

while generally a supporter of the idea to get some newcomers into the scene but letting them get destroyed by some of the best koreans is just not the way to do it imo

we saw some of illusion's and ostojiy's performances at international tournaments and i think we can say that they were not ready yet
they might be very good in their regions but i don't think they are capable of playing on an international stage yet


Wtf because they are foreigners and actually do take games off koreans(except ls)
Kiwiandapple
Profile Joined March 2011
Belgium240 Posts
May 25 2012 15:20 GMT
#634
On May 26 2012 00:07 GreyKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 23:31 sVnteen wrote:
i dont get those invites...

how are illusion sheth lastshadow and ostojiy supposed to win even one game? (sheth might have a chance i guess...)

they will get completely destroyed will gain almost nothing from the tournament and the viewers won't get to see the best games possible.
I don't understand why the don't invite a few more internationally strong players like kas mana socke hasu nerchio bling or someone else ...

while generally a supporter of the idea to get some newcomers into the scene but letting them get destroyed by some of the best koreans is just not the way to do it imo

we saw some of illusion's and ostojiy's performances at international tournaments and i think we can say that they were not ready yet
they might be very good in their regions but i don't think they are capable of playing on an international stage yet


Wtf because they are foreigners and actually do take games off koreans(except ls)


Illusion beat 3 Code S level players in the IPL4 open bracket, off each race. Doubt he will get facestomped, aswell his tvz is his best matchup while tvt is awesome aggresive aswell. As far as I know they were SlayerSRyung, LiquidZenio and FXOz, losing to MaruPrime and Creator (who is a god damn monster PvT aswell ;p)

Ls is apparently GM on korean ladder and he recently released a replaypack where he did beat a fair amount of high level players. even tho I dont know much about him, i give him a chance off getting a few maps and might even able to upset, altho both those 2 protoss players in his group are freaking deadly in PvT give him a break and check his games first before we all start to judge?

Ostojiy i sadly dont follow that well so wont say anything about him, but - the chance for an upset is possible. thats all im saying and I like it that they get a chance to play in this tournament, sure they might get crushed, but - if they have a good day and just are able to play at their level - im quite sure Illusion and Sheth can both make it out the group.

I do give illusion the most chance and not only because off me being bias.

Anyway, cant wait for this tourny!
HYPED <3
Don't worry, that's halo!
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
May 25 2012 15:27 GMT
#635
On May 25 2012 18:49 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 18:18 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 25 2012 17:37 MCDayC wrote:
On May 25 2012 17:23 mTwTT1 wrote:
i think lastshadow is being made a scapegoat for a much larger issue which i wont bring up ^.^,

Please elaborate. You can't tease like that!

the issue is invite tournaments itself
invite only tournaments are like the biggest bullshit in history
just look at last mlg spring arena
do you think tefel or bly wouldve EVER gotten an invite? yet they qualified and beat players like huk and ret and get the exposure they DESERVE because they EARNED it.
i dont want to see the same players again playing all the time in all the tournaments, i want to see the BEST players play in the tournaments because they EARNED their spot through qualifying (aka playing well, not having a reputation).
if there would be only invite tournaments the scene would became very stagnant very fast..


This, and the fact that qualifiers are not hard to run, with plattform like regame or playhem out there.
In fact, you don't even need to cast all of them or give a shit about it at all, as seen in the IPL events.

I think you underestimate difficulty of running proper qualifier. Also note this is first really big tournament Day[9].tv seems to be organizing on their own. I think they have their hands full even without qualifiers. I suppose that if it succeeds they will gain more experience and next tournaments can be probably mixed invite/qualifier tournaments. Note that nearly all tournaments are mixed ones to some degree. And organizations when starting made more invite-heavy tournaments than the the following ones. NASL S1 was completely invite based (except Puma).
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
May 25 2012 15:30 GMT
#636
On May 25 2012 18:49 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 18:18 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 25 2012 17:37 MCDayC wrote:
On May 25 2012 17:23 mTwTT1 wrote:
i think lastshadow is being made a scapegoat for a much larger issue which i wont bring up ^.^,

Please elaborate. You can't tease like that!

the issue is invite tournaments itself
invite only tournaments are like the biggest bullshit in history
just look at last mlg spring arena
do you think tefel or bly wouldve EVER gotten an invite? yet they qualified and beat players like huk and ret and get the exposure they DESERVE because they EARNED it.
i dont want to see the same players again playing all the time in all the tournaments, i want to see the BEST players play in the tournaments because they EARNED their spot through qualifying (aka playing well, not having a reputation).
if there would be only invite tournaments the scene would became very stagnant very fast..


This, and the fact that qualifiers are not hard to run, with plattform like regame or playhem out there.
In fact, you don't even need to cast all of them or give a shit about it at all, as seen in the IPL events.


I don't think you can find a single tournament organizer that will agree with this statement.
Thank God and gunrun.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
May 25 2012 15:31 GMT
#637
On May 25 2012 20:56 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 17:23 mTwTT1 wrote:
i think lastshadow is being made a scapegoat for a much larger issue which i wont bring up ^.^,

So The grudge between IdrA and Day[9] got Last Shadow invited?
+ Show Spoiler +
I am putting words in your mouth.

I think he meant all the hate that ls (and Day[9]) is getting now. So the "haters" are making ls into a scapegoat. If I would speculate to me it more seems like there is some tension between Incontrol(+Idra) and Day[9] beside the current witch-hunt targeted him.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 16:06:39
May 25 2012 16:03 GMT
#638
On May 26 2012 00:31 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 20:56 Koshi wrote:
On May 25 2012 17:23 mTwTT1 wrote:
i think lastshadow is being made a scapegoat for a much larger issue which i wont bring up ^.^,

So The grudge between IdrA and Day[9] got Last Shadow invited?
+ Show Spoiler +
I am putting words in your mouth.

I think he meant all the hate that ls (and Day[9]) is getting now. So the "haters" are making ls into a scapegoat. If I would speculate to me it more seems like there is some tension between Incontrol(+Idra) and Day[9] beside the current witch-hunt targeted him.


Really I thought he was talking about cheaters and TL community not liking LastShadow. InControl himself does not approve of LastShadow's invitation either according to his own comments on the matter.

TT1 was too cryptic in his comments. With such vagueness it is hard to tell what he was hinting at...


LastShadow will either do well or he won't. Let the games decide whether he was a good invitation or not.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
May 25 2012 16:24 GMT
#639
On May 25 2012 20:12 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 18:51 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TT1 always overrates Ret.



overrate and Ret in one sentence, now I've seen everything :D


Ret is the most overrated player in the entire scene.

He's obviously a really good foreign player, one of the best foreign players in fact after the big three of Huk, Naniwa and Stephano.

But he's not a Code S level player and he's never won a Premier Tournament with Korean's present, he's never even made the final of one.

The two times he's made the semi finals was at both Dreamhack's where he was crushed very convincingly by Hero and Polt

Now obviously Ret is capable of beating good players (like Mvp and Genius) but his overall record vs top Korean players is the worst of any of the best foreign players and for every tournament where he beats players like Mvp and Genius he'll have two or three tournaments where he gets rolled by them or worse he loses to mid tier foreign players.

Ret is a good player, he's not a great player, he hasn't posted any massive results like Huk and Stephano and he's extremely inconsistant.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 16:30:29
May 25 2012 16:25 GMT
#640
should have invited idra or some other foreigner, lastshadow invite is indefensible

kinda funny how everyone's photo is like a pro photo from an event and lastshadow's is some webcam screengrab, sums it up really
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