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Blizzard-KeSPA-OGN-GOM SC2 Announcement May 2nd - Page 8

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Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 07:11:32
April 26 2012 07:10 GMT
#141
This is great.

For S.Korea

Maybe I expect too much, but some bones for NA/EU would be nice before our Korean overlords arrive.
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
April 26 2012 07:11 GMT
#142
Oh my goodness, times are a changin'
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 26 2012 07:12 GMT
#143
Damn, this will be big
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
lunchrush
Profile Joined March 2011
United States138 Posts
April 26 2012 07:13 GMT
#144
WE ARE UNABLE TO HANDLE FEEL OF THIS MAGNITUDE
There is no order in the world around us, we must adapt ourselves to the requirements of chaos instead. -Kurt Vonnegut
moochu
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 07:14:38
April 26 2012 07:14 GMT
#145
Lol no chance but a kespa vs gom league? Would be pretty darn interesting.
Amlitzer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States471 Posts
April 26 2012 07:14 GMT
#146
What is it with starcraft and all the announcements of announcements? Can people seriously think of no other way to build up hype?
"Not even justice, I want to get truth!"
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
April 26 2012 07:16 GMT
#147
This better be good. I hope that all parties will be happy with what they come up with.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
April 26 2012 07:16 GMT
#148
They're going to announce e-Sports Vision? Don't we already have ESV?
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
April 26 2012 07:17 GMT
#149
On April 26 2012 16:14 Amlitzer wrote:
What is it with starcraft and all the announcements of announcements? Can people seriously think of no other way to build up hype?


Can you think of a better idea? The current way works imo.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 26 2012 07:18 GMT
#150
Fx Boss was right man, finally we can see true Korean dominance all over the globe again ^_^ . So happy that history is repeating it self .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
April 26 2012 07:18 GMT
#151
Incontrol, what have you done....
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 26 2012 07:20 GMT
#152
On April 26 2012 16:18 Sawamura wrote:
Fx Boss was right man, finally we can see true Korean dominance all over the globe again ^_^ . So happy that history is repeating it self .

If history repeats itself, it means Starcraft's competitive scene dying everywhere except in Korea. Do we really want that?
I don't think history will repeat itself, it's just a new epic beginning.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
April 26 2012 07:23 GMT
#153
On April 26 2012 15:41 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 15:38 Plexa wrote:
On April 26 2012 15:16 masterbreti wrote:
On April 26 2012 15:12 Plexa wrote:
On April 26 2012 14:59 masterbreti wrote:
well this basically end the foreigner scene once kespa gets involved. if kespa acts like they do with bw on sc2. It'll be the end of the foreign scene. foreigner will either have to join a korean team or can't play in kespa leagues. which means that no foreigners will play in leagues and then Koreans won't actually want to play for foreign teams.

Koreansd will have less time to play in foreign events, which will take a lot of the starpower away from foreign tournaments, which won't help viewers. If Kespa gets their way its over. I just hope blizz and gom know what they are doing and don't let that happen.

This is just a tiiiiiiny bit presumptuous don't you think. Particularly seeing as all the teams have expressed their biggest regret about BW was that it wasn't international?


If they keep the system they have in bw going in sc2. It will end the foreign scene. It may not be directly, but it'll happen.

No more huk in GSL ever, since he isn't good enough to get through Code B, no more Jinro, SaSe, Haypro, stephano in GSL. Cause they would have to win courage first. And having a Code B like tournament, I doubt even Naniwa would be able to win one, just because the brutality of it is so high.

You must be forgetting the free progamer liscences that kespa gave to teams (2 per year), arguably so that SKT could give LX and PJ licences (chinese players) and indeed, estro eventually gave idra his license through that. KeSPA never kept foreigners away, foreigners were just too shit to compete at the end of BWs life. KeSPA isn't an evil entity, they have done some dickish moves in the past, but on the whole they grew brood war in Korea and made it so that there is a esports framework setup for future generations. No reason that the same won't happen here.

Oh you wouldn't want to hear what I heard from CJ Entus PR when I brought up the topic of IdrA...

But yes, if foreigners were that good, the teams would have picked up the players and give them special licenses so that they can participate in the leagues (there are 2 ways to become a progamer: Courage which is NOT 1 winner per 3 months (it's still small but definitely not 1) or through special licenses given out by the team).

I'm curious too.

Yeah, Courage/Rookie League is 2-3 winners per month. Used to be even more a couple years ago. Players also received licenses from Elite School League.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 26 2012 07:24 GMT
#154
On April 26 2012 16:20 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 16:18 Sawamura wrote:
Fx Boss was right man, finally we can see true Korean dominance all over the globe again ^_^ . So happy that history is repeating it self .

If history repeats itself, it means Starcraft's competitive scene dying everywhere except in Korea. Do we really want that?
I don't think history will repeat itself, it's just a new epic beginning.


Sorry but starcraft competitive scene is pretty niche it self and it isn't really that active globally except few countries I can't call it a global reception when it is only solely focus on American and Europe . I want history to happen again it reminds me of bw korean dominance . I am getting so nostalgic about it .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Avenix
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada5 Posts
April 26 2012 07:26 GMT
#155
I am all for a scene that is more competitive as long as it's not at the players expense. I also like the idea that it will attract bigger/wealthier sponsorship. My only concern is that it becomes an arms race with money. ie: teams without top income are not able to compete. I feel that should be addressed, as a lot of independent western teams are started grass root style with little to no funding and climb from there.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1774 Posts
April 26 2012 07:26 GMT
#156
The most interesting thing here to me is MLGs involvement. Blizzard could always get in bed with them and start cracking down on foreign broadcasting rights
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
April 26 2012 07:27 GMT
#157
Too much for my body in the same week, Diablo 3 open beta, flash, bisu, fantasy, jaedong ,stork playing and enjoying SCII, TSL4 incoming, redbull offline event with a huge prizepool, and Blizzard &kespa &OGN&GOMtv to have an official meeting about the future of SCII . This! IS! eSPORTS!
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 26 2012 07:35 GMT
#158
On April 26 2012 16:26 Avenix wrote:
My only concern is that it becomes an arms race with money. ie: teams without top income are not able to compete. I feel that should be addressed, as a lot of independent western teams are started grass root style with little to no funding and climb from there.


This is much more of a case with the way scene works currently than with the way the whole Kespa structure works.

Which notable western teams have started grassroots style anyway? I only know of Liquid, Root and Light, and there's already no more Root. -_-

I'm sure there are smaller teams that did, but they're already suffocated by all the "esports organizations" in the west and Kespa teams won't have any additional effect on them whatsoever.

It will, however, mean that the western teams will no longer be at the top of the food chain financially, which for me personally is going to be extremely satisfying.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 07:41:38
April 26 2012 07:40 GMT
#159
I'm just happy all the SC vs SC2 bullshit finally is over since I enjoy both games. The major forces finally making peace and coming together will aid this.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
b0lt
Profile Joined March 2009
United States790 Posts
April 26 2012 07:41 GMT
#160
On April 26 2012 16:03 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 15:33 pdd wrote:
Regulation? Every league and teams know how to self-regulate. Look at what SlayerS and Prime did to Coca and Byun. Yes the rules are really weird and random. But it makes a lot of better sense than KeSPA's in-game chat etiquette. The only issue I have is tournaments using differing versions of maps and map pools, but that's a small price to pay.


Look at the drama between Slayers and Zenex when Slayers basically poached half their players. Or the whole FruitDealer and Tester crap. Or TSL and oGs. Or Rain being banned/suspended from GSL and Idra being rewarded a free Code S spot a year later for doing the exact same thing. Or GOM seeding whoever they feel will bring them the most views straight into Code S.

Self-regulation isn't serious enough and isn't good enough, you're basically stuck with spur-of-the-moment decisions that can go whichever way the wind blows that day and decide whatever seems more convenient at the time.


don't forget a team getting disbanded because the manager was molesting players
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