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On April 16 2012 18:43 dragonborn wrote: bye bye.
now moletrap is LoL's problem, gl to LoL spectators..
User was temp banned for this post.
Kinda mean, i still LOL'ed at that ^_+
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I enjoyed moletrap the most when he first started commentating BW games. Now that hes making a career of it, I'm not fan very much. Good luck in the future Moletrap !
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On April 17 2012 07:54 baba1 wrote: I enjoyed moletrap the most when he first started commentating BW games. Now that hes making a career of it, I'm not fan very much. Good luck in the future Moletrap ! Same here.
It just seemed to me that his casting was way too forced at gom. He obviously lost his passion either because SC2 did not measure up to BW or because of his personal life.
I don't judge him for it though, I'm happy for his new career and hope him the best of luck.
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GLGL at OGN Moletrap. You're doing well at it, and you're appreciated (at least by me lol).
Also, Morch is like, the best name for a casting duo ever.
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On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo) If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster.
Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well.
Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract.
From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen. I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s.
Quoting this because it's a good post. I agree heavily with it, and I think this is where most of Moletrap's 'hate' comes from. I think it's pretty commonly accepted that he knew considerably less about the game than most of his peers, but I don't fault him for that - there is a point where everyone knew very little about the game, right? But he did nothing to change that image, and kept going on as a 'clueless caster' which just made him so incredibly frustrating to listen to when he would say things that are just flat wrong, and myself as a lowly diamond player even knew it was wrong. Couple that with little things like always cutting off his co-caster to add nothing (he got better about this eventually), or personally irritating things (such as his voice, I don't fault him obviously because he can't control that, I just found it off putting) and it makes for a less enjoyable experience.
I wish the guy well as he obviously has passion for what he does, I just hope he realizes he still has room to grow.
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Let's see how long LoL stays number 1 esport. 
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It is kind of sad so see (some) individuals be so disrespectful to a person that devoted such a big part of his life to make entertainment for others.
Good luck in the future
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On April 17 2012 08:07 Luepert wrote:Let's see how long LoL stays number 1 esport.  Oh man, this whole thread..
Regardless, I harbor no ill toward Moletrap whatsoever and wish him the best.
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gl moletrap, loved your bw casts and enjoy your LoL cast.
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Good luck with OGN moletrap, maybe you'll be able to cast BW again? <3
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Good luck to Moletrap with casting LoL I haven't watched him myself yet but im sure if this is his new passion than he will do a great job!
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GL on LoL Moletrap! was a fan since the BW days. gotta do what makes you happy!
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Get back to BW moletrap, we could use you here.
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T__T why u leave moletrap... go back to cast bw! OSL needs you
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On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote: I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo) If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster.
Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well.
Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract.
From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen. I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s.
Perfectly said, great post. And I have to agree that Tasteless is starting to drop off, I mean, I love the guy, but it just feels like his level of casting right now is every bit the same as when he first started (if not perhaps slightly deteriorating). I don't know why, but the things he says are getting more and more bland - I feel like he literally echoes Artosis too often nowadays (rarely do we hear him have his own separate opinions), and uses the same phrases over and over again.
Anyways, back to topic, I wasn't a fan of moletrap, but I appreciate his efforts and what he tried to do for the community, hope he does better in LoL. Did he ever state the reason for leaving SC2? That's what I personally want to know the most~
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On April 17 2012 08:07 Luepert wrote:Let's see how long LoL stays number 1 esport.  At least we already know which game isn't ever going to be number 1 , but his casting wasn't bad when I tuned in for it.
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On April 17 2012 07:52 Nibbler89 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I was always disappointed with moletrap's casting but that's not what was frustrating. The frustrating thing is, unlike his fellow casters who make threads to get feedback on their casting and how to improve, moletrap never made one even though he was widely considered to be one of the weaker casters.
Maybe he feels he doesn't have to, but I just don't know how it's not embarrassing / shameful when khaldor, wolf, and husky, all have threads asking for feedback good OR bad, so they can improve. Yes they get trolls who hate on them, Yes moletrap will probably get more. But the others casters don't care, they are willing to sift through the garbage to find the constructive criticism, and look at how quickly they have improved compared to moletrap.(wolf and husky in particular imo) If you've read / understand the book art of war, have rudimentary sc2 knowledge, and a passion for casting / improving, you can become a great sc2 caster.
Now he's moving on to another game which I would think requires even more game knowledge than Sc2(just the # of champions,moves and items alone I think requires more "memorizing" type game knowledge) and I'm sure in his mind he thinks it will be different but it's the attitude that's the problem and I wouldn't be surprised if the same complaints begin to arise from more knowledgeable LoL viewers. I don't know if moletrap doesn't like criticism or maybe his fans have really convinced him he's a good caster, that all the criticism is just "trolling" or "haters gonna hate" and all people who don't like him as a caster must have some deeply personal vendetta with him. It's not the case, tbh tasteless recently has been getting as bad or worse than moletrap as well.
Korean casting is already leagues(lol) ahead of foreign casting, and anyone who saw the subbed gsl cast knows what they are missing. The higher the standard of casting goes up the more motivated / pressured casters will be to do a good job and the more fans sc2 will attract.
From Gheed's blog: One of the most aggravating things when trying to teach someone is asking them the question, "why did you do that?" and having them respond, "I don't know." If decisions are made without reasons behind them, improvement will never happen; it cannot happen. I feel like this is why tasteless / moletraps casting is weak. They aren't thinking before they say stuff, if they say things without reason, how can they improve. It also shows in how often they retract things or even literally say " i don't know why I just said that" ~_~ Tbh I'm ready for Wolftosis code s. I couldn't have put it better myself, trying to improve is something that is way past due for a decent number of sc2 casters, still, I wish him the best of luck.
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I didn't watch the cast he and Torch did for OGN, does he know much about the game?
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I liked moletrap, especially the nuke
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How old is Moletrap btw? I always had a hard time figuring that out...
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